US Urges End to Violence in Burma: BBC News

[LaBong]

So you guys want the refugees or don't want them. Either way I'm sure it's AL's fault!

 

[Zabaniyah]

Muslims were the dominat force in Arakan politics for more than a century after they dethroned the nephew of a Budhist King who was reinstated to his throne by these Muslim troops from Gaud sent (probably) by Sultan Ghiyasuddin Azam Shah. They are the first or almost first group of Muslims in Arakan.But, this Myanmar monkey is spreading false information here knowing well that not every one is well versed in history.

Very interesting. I look forward to read more about their history.

On a side note, I really do not think it is a good idea to work toward a separate state for them through guerrilla warfare.

We cannot determine how the conflict will play out. And if it will play to Bangladesh's favor. And Myanmar will start blaming Bangladesh for inciting terrorists. We must be aware of our image in the world stage. We mustn't become like them.

See, even after they have a separate state, there'd still be ****-hurt feelings on both sides, and it'll potentially lead to even more ****-hurtedness and bigotry. This can go on for generations. A new state will remain extremely vulnerable from potential counter attacks by the angry Buddhos.

Our leadership simply do not have the experience, and let alone the balls.

And what if the angry Jihadis go out of control such that it backfires on us in the end? Sounds familiar doesn't it?

No matter what, we must avoid creating an Israel-Palestine like situation. It must never ever happen!

Exactly. I posted about them in a muslim forum. No one knew about them, except Bengalis... Its our failure no?

It's a failure of all Muslims. I am pretty angry and disappointed at OIC's response...

Zabaniya bro, what is our dalal BAL gov doing? Don't you think we should allow them in? They are our
brothers, and brotherhood isn't so weak that it has to depend on whether Pakistanis and arabs
consider rohingas brothers. We consider them brothers because it is morally and Islamically the right thing. Even if you put aside ISLAM, for the sake of humanity we should allow them in.
BAL is known for being anti-muslim and today they have sunk to the lowest of the low by not
allowing the refugees in. simply disgusting. And it is our faltu gov failure to not have publisized
the issue globally so much so that even muslim countries are unaware of muslims called rohinga.
But then again we are not strong ourselves either. This is why I hate those fag0ts "mukti judar
pokhar shakti". You know what I mean.

There are UN agents in Myanmar. And they know what's going on. The Rohingya are some of the most persecuted people in the world. Eve worst than Palestinians. The world should know about it. Did you not see the statement from the OIC? They are just 'concerned', and that's it.

I agree with your sentiment that we should have accepted the recent influx of refugees. It was a stupid move by the FM to say 'let's wait and see'. Wait and see for what? More blood? I wonder in amazement as to just how stupid can that woman get.

But anyhow, it is our duty as Muslims to propagate this grave injustice toward the world. And do so in service of The Ummah, even though most other Muslims think too much about themselves. We should have done this long ago.

The Rohingyas unlawfully faced violent persecution from the Junta for decades. And if the Burmese dare escalate the situation that spills over to other countries, it's their loss.

 

[kalu_miah]

We (along with China), should consider broader picture at play. This unrest started just after US expression of interest and after indian PM visit to Myanmar give plenty of clue that indians are spoiler. Indians are hell bent in creating animosity between Myanmar and Bangladesh. But Bangladesh good relation and connectivity with Myanmar benefit not only Bangladesh and Myanmar but also beneficial for China and US. This is a rare case of converged interest of all stakeholders but indians are out to stall that.



Please ignore alaungphaya comments, he is an indian commenting in disguise.

idune Bhai, our broader geopolitical picture and vision I believe is correct. After we have solved the maritime boundary issue with Myanmar, now the only remaining issue and roadblock is Rohingya. It is not a small issue, but it is not impossible to solve. And definitely it would be easier to solve than solving our problems with India. And we may have to wait for land connection, till we solve or make some progress on this issue with Myanmar.

eastwatch does have a good point. Since this problem has surfaced, even with RAW instigation, it is a good opportunity to look at all possible options, analyze it using inputs from many in the forum and choose a wise course. Sometimes, it is not a bad policy to use stick when just carrot is not working, specially if we are in a position to do so. But before we decide to do that we need to study this theater and all its actors really well. If we look at the timeline of events since the independence of Burma in 1937 from British, they have been at a position of advantage, because the British has gifted them Arakan, whereas it should have been made an independent country or at least partitioned, so the Muslim Arakan would become a part of Chittagong. Since then the Buddhist Rakhine in partnership with their Burman bosses have a consistent policy of purging and ethnic cleansing of Muslims to reduce their number in former Arakan areas. This means a reduction of our and Muslim influence in the state of Myanmar, and this is not a good thing for us. In any event, I am going to start this discussion in Myanmar-Bangladesh relations thread. Hope all of us can limit all Myanmar related discussions there from now on, instead of going on in multiple threads.

As for RAWamy League turning away refugees, I think it is inhumane, they may get killed on the sea or when they are back in Myanmar. Like Luffy said, we should take care of them out of our humanity, regardless of the fact if they are Muslims or our ethnic kins. Of course those factors make this stance even more outrageous.

alaungphaya, may be a false flag Indian, but it may not hurt to give him the benefit of doubt without giving too much importance to it, keeping in mind that he may after all be a false flag. Regardless of what he says, it is true that Myanmar has an official policy of denying citizenship and doing ethnic cleansing of this group, so his racist views do match Myanmar's official position.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

Thanks, I went up the Mount Dragon to pray in the cave for one week and I was reborn after that.

If Suu Kyi gets into power, I don't know how likely would that be, Myanmar might go to the West camp, if not she is probably playing the US against China. I tell you though, the country is in a lot of mess not just here in Rakhine.

Whatever happens we all should welcome Suu Kyi, she'll at least bring light to the nation and there will be inputs from civilian into govt. far better than these stupid junta.

BTW, may I ask one thing Fanling....climbing mountain, praying and getting reborn is it possible to get a kid look like you are in avatar !?

 

[Zabaniyah]

alaungphaya, may be a false flag Indian, but it may not hurt to give him the benefit of doubt without giving too much importance to it, keeping in mind that he may after all be a false flag. Regardless of what he says, it is true that Myanmar has an official policy of denying citizenship and doing ethnic cleansing of this group, so his racist views do match Myanmar's official position.

Reading from the events there, I don't think it is only an issue of those 'bone-headed Burmese generals'. This tension has been there for a long time.

I'd say, I have never seen Buddhists so violent on a large scale

 

[PlanetSoldier]

unofficially there 500,000 rohingyas in Bangladesh. bangladesh should take hard measures like pressuring UN and US that Bangladesh no more wants to give shelter to these refugees . Either throw them in the BAY of Bengal or give them land to live in Arakan! Chulay Jaak Burma BD friendship.... A war is inevitable today or tomorrow!



Exactly. I posted about them in a muslim forum. No one knew about them, except Bengalis... Its our failure no?

I differ on this point, why should we throw them to Bay of Bengal? Being human being they have the right to live and vice-versa we have our responsibility to give them shelter, as a nation we can't be irresponsible. I generally never talk on Muslim brotherhood but from my POV it's humanism that we have to follow first regardless of whether we can give them a free land or not. I completely don't support the way refugees boats are being denied to enter by BDR, did you think once where will they head for in the mid of sea?

A free land for them is not visible in a century ahead with BD's leadership, Mujib, Zia thought something like that later even US also failed proceeding this way as far as I know (the time US wanted it we didn't have leadership to digest that).

Many in the world other than Muslim are aware of it. Canada already started giving them citizenship by batches. Here's an old link:

Canada Takes Lead in Resettling Rohingya Refugees

Muslim people basically Arabs are used to having a luxurious lust life, they don't care that much. They allied with western bloc to destroy the most prosperous Arab country Iraq, they've always been enjoying the dog life of Palestinian and now they are united against Iran to destroy it.

 

[Zabaniyah]

A free land for them is not visible in a century ahead with BD's leadership, Mujib, Zia thought something like that later even US also failed proceeding this way as far as I know (the time US wanted it we didn't have leadership to digest that).

^^^This!!

Many in the world other than Muslim are aware of it. Canada already started giving them citizenship by batches. Here's an old link:

Canada Takes Lead in Resettling Rohingya Refugees

Isn't it ironic that many Arabs and Muslims never even heard of them apart from us? And yet they hound at Israel 24/7. How many people from Muslim countries are commenting here? Nope just us Bongos with our Indian and Chinese friends

And where's Al-Zakir to comment on this by the way?

Anyways, kudos to Canada. A great country indeed

Muslim people basically Arabs are used to having a luxurious lust life, they don't care that much. They allied with western bloc to destroy the most prosperous Arab country Iraq, they've always been enjoying the dog life of Palestinian and now they are united against Iran to destroy it.

Mate, let's not waste our time on them. At times I wish the Israeli Air Force just annihilate their fancy-panzy palaces. I'm sorry........"><

 

[alaungphaya]

Reading from the events there, I don't think it is only an issue of those 'bone-headed Burmese generals'. This tension has been there for a long time.

I'd say, I have never seen Buddhists so violent on a large scale

We are Burmese first, then buddhist second. The Burmese proper are descended from Mongols and we've done some brutal things in the past I'm not too proud of. Including in Manipur. Anyway, people will be people, whatever they believe.

Whatever happens we all should welcome Suu Kyi, she'll at least bring light to the nation and there will be inputs from civilian into govt. far better than these stupid junta.

I'm glad you like DASSK but she will not be the beneficent saviour of Bangladesh that you want her to be. She will take a cautious stance towards BD.

 

[TopCat]

We are Burmese first, then buddhist second. The Burmese proper are descended from Mongols and we've done some brutal things in the past I'm not too proud of. Including in Manipur. Anyway, people will be people, whatever they believe.



I'm glad you like DASSK but she will not be the beneficent saviour of Bangladesh that you want her to be. She will take a cautious stance towards BD.

Why dont you just go away man... nobody paying hid to you anymore.

 

[kalu_miah]

Reading from the events there, I don't think it is only an issue of those 'bone-headed Burmese generals'. This tension has been there for a long time.

I'd say, I have never seen Buddhists so violent on a large scale

Don't forget the Japanese take over of China and South East Asia.

 

[Zabaniyah]

We are Burmese first, then buddhist second. The Burmese proper are descended from Mongols and we've done some brutal things in the past I'm not too proud of. Including in Manipur. Anyway, people will be people, whatever they believe.

Wow! Well, welcome to the 21st century!!

 

[kalu_miah]

Please continue this discussion in Myanmar-Bangladesh relations thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/183835-myanmar-bangladesh-relations.html

I need your suggestion there about whether we should support a Rohingya insurgency to protect themselves and how we can go about doing it.

 

[Zabaniyah]

I need your suggestion there about whether we should support a Rohingya insurgency to protect themselves and how we can go about doing it.

Bhai, as I said before, it's too risky! Nor does our current leadership have the brains or the balls!! And let alone the resources and support in the post 9/11 world.

 

[fallstuff]

The timing of the present predicament is some what interesting. The Burmese relationship is just geting a bit warmer with the West.

My take is that the events has the blessings if not direct involvement of the Burmese Govt.

BTW where is that Suu Kyi or whatever her name ? WTF she is doing traveliing when sh*t is hittin the fan at home.

Apparently she is the Burmese Dalai Lama,

BBC News - Suu Kyi looking forward to 'memorable' European visit

 

[Zabaniyah]

The timing of the present predicament is some what interesting. The Burmese relationship is just geting a bit warmer with the West.

My take is that the events has the blessings if not direct involvement of the Burmese Govt.

BTW where is that Suu Kyi or whatever her name ? WTF she is doing traveliing when sh*t is hittin the fan at home.

Apparently she is the Burmese Dalai Lama,

BBC News - Suu Kyi looking forward to 'memorable' European visit

More of a political celebrity.