US Urges End to Violence in Burma: BBC News

[Fanling Monk]

"Burma" - why do these bunch of imperlialists end their colonial predators' mentality?



Once is already too much buddy! They wont go away!

PS: cute avatar!

Thanks, I went up the Mount Dragon to pray in the cave for one week and I was reborn after that.

If Suu Kyi gets into power, I don't know how likely would that be, Myanmar might go to the West camp, if not she is probably playing the US against China. I tell you though, the country is in a lot of mess not just here in Rakhine.

 

[alaungphaya]

"Burma" - why do these bunch of imperlialists end their colonial predators' mentality?

Ah come on. How is anything we're doing any different from how you treated the Tibetans or the Uyghurs?

 

[idune]

For once I really like to see the US can influence the country to alter its internal policies and bring the Rohinya and Rokhine State issues to an end. The problems here can be enlarged and spread. China too should put pressures on Myanmar's Government.

We (along with China), should consider broader picture at play. This unrest started just after US expression of interest and after indian PM visit to Myanmar give plenty of clue that indians are spoiler. Indians are hell bent in creating animosity between Myanmar and Bangladesh. But Bangladesh good relation and connectivity with Myanmar benefit not only Bangladesh and Myanmar but also beneficial for China and US. This is a rare case of converged interest of all stakeholders but indians are out to stall that.

Ah come on. How is anything we're doing any different from how you treated the Tibetans or the Uyghurs?

Please ignore alaungphaya comments, he is an indian commenting in disguise.

 

[alaungphaya]

Thanks, I went up the Mount Dragon to pray in the cave for one week and I was reborn after that.

If Suu Kyi gets into power, I don't know how likely would that be, Myanmar might go to the West camp, if not she is probably playing the US against China. I tell you though, the country is in a lot of mess not just here in Rakhine.

I don't know. I don't think the government are inherently aligned to any one power. I think the plan is to play the US, China, India, EU and Japan off each other over our natural resources and key geo-strategic position. We were one of the founding members of the non-aligned league after all. Historic foreign policy dictates the old 'friend to all, ally to none' policy.

 

[eastwatch]

Please ignore such indian comments. If you notice goal of indians here is to hijack these threads and deflect indian involvements instigating these unrest.

Historic trail of indian instigation in Myanmar unrest:

"In the 1980s and early 1990s, Indian intelligence adopted a conscious policy of developing close relations with rebel groups along its borders with [Myanmar],'' said Naba Kumar Singh, who heads the Myanmar studies in Manipur university in Northeast India.

''India's RAW [Research and Analysis Wing] supported the Kachins, the Chins and the Arakanese insurgents to neutralize its own northeastern militants along a long border but also to keep pressure on the [Myanmar] military regime. That changed in 1995," he says.

Once India decided to court the military junta, the Indian military started to crack down on the rebel groups it had once supported. The bases of the Chin National Front (CNF) in northeastern India's Mizoram and Manipur were raided and most of their fighters were forced to flee or were nabbed.


The Kachin Independence Army (KIA), which had received a huge consignment of weapons after its former chief Maran Brangsein visited Delhi twice and the chief of India's external intelligence RAW, were also told they could "no longer depend on Indian support".

The policy shift was controversial among the rank and file, many of whom had developed relations with rebel leaders. The RAW's late deputy chief B B Nandi actually offered to come to the defense of the 34 NUPA rebels in court because he felt they were victims of treachery.

Just before he died in Calcutta, he told this writer that he had opened the first parleys with the NUPA, the KIA and the CNF in an attempt to secure India's eastern borders with Myanmar from the "pernicious effects of insurgency, drug and weapons trade".

''These rebels served India's interest much better than [Myanmar's] military regime," Nandi told this writer.

I am suggesting the similar kind of duel action by our DGFI in Arakan. Supply weapons to the arakani mujahids and instigate a rebellion. Only then the weak GoM will respect Bangladesh. It will come into terms with our country and will sell us gas and electricity. A non-active, docile and gentlemanly attitude have no role in bilateral politics of a neighbouring country is seen as a weakness.

Why India's RAW also instigated a rebellion in our mountains? It was because this forced us to sit with the GoI and listen to its demand. India, of course, deny any involvement in Ctg. BD will also deny similarly, but the GoM will know the reality who are supporting the Rohingyas.

 

[eastwatch]

It's direct effect of $32 billion yearly budget on defense keeping mass people away from fundamental rights like toilet issue, recently I read a report about depriving remote area colleges from proper fund (whereas spending big bucks behind arms )... and the products are these stupid arrogant duffer. Anyway, they are lucky....Bill Gates is now thinking for their toilets.... .

Congratulations, Indians! When Bill Gates build toilets for you he should be worshipped by you for centuries. Welcome Mr. Bill Gates to the world of dirty and half naked Indians!

 

[fallstuff]

Ah come on. How is anything we're doing any different from how you treated the Tibetans or the Uyghurs?

This did it, the typical Indian line.

It is so pathetic.

 

[alaungphaya]

Yeah, but if you're wrong and I'm not a troll or an Indian secret agent, then you're ignoring the only Burmese who has set foot here. I would say that our uneasiest relationship is with our good old pauk-phaw a-ko's so it's not much of a stretch for me to use the Tibet and Uyghur line. There is a lot of exceptionalism when it comes to China. It makes me uncomfortable. India makes me uncomfortable, too. It's pretty scary to think we border the world's only +1billion nuclear powers. Speaking frankly, I do welcome India's engagement so that we don't fall into China's orbit. But I see our future as ASEAN and Japan + Taiwan + Korea.

 

[shuttler]

Thanks, I went up the Mount Dragon to pray in the cave for one week and I was reborn after that.

If Suu Kyi gets into power, I don't know how likely would that be, Myanmar might go to the West camp, if not she is probably playing the US against China. I tell you though, the country is in a lot of mess not just here in Rakhine.

Its great to hear your going to @ Mount Dragon and get what you want!

I think no. to my surprise. Suu Kyi earns my respect that I didnt have given it to her before her attendance @ the last economic forum She is a smart lady trying to avoid questions that western media want to impose on her about the possible US/China tug of war in her country. Lets see if what her appearance on the world stage out of house-arrest will earn more respect from China.

Let me check if I (or anyone interested) could locate the interview and share it with you on this thread!

 

[alaungphaya]

DASSK has grown so much in the last few years. Admittedly I have not been her biggest fan in the past as I saw her as a figurehead to appease the nationalists (because of her father) and foreigners while the brain trust of her party were the older guys like U Tin Oo who were ex-army and knew what the army were all about. I also vehemently opposed sanctions at all levels bar military as that simply played the country into China dependence and client statehood. But from what I hear about her, she has matured from being an Oxford intellectual figurehead to being a true, media savvy politician. I think the personal sacrifices she has had to make have also toughened her. Apparently her appearance at the World Economic Forum was so good that Thein Sein postponed his own scheduled visit.

Its great to hear your going to @ Mount Dragon and get what you want!

I think no. to my surprise. Suu Kyi earns my respect that I didnt have given it to her before her attendance @ the last economic forum She is a smart lady trying to avoid questions that western media want to impose on her about the possible US/China tug of war in her country. Lets see if what her appearance on the world stage out of house-arrest will earn more respect from China.

Let me check if I (or anyone interested) could locate the interview and share it with you on this thread!

East Asia 2012 - Press Conference with Daw Aung San Suu Kyi - YouTube

 

[eastwatch]

I am asking idune, Al-zakir, kalu mia, many others and their political Guru M_Saint, who had paid so many tributes to their friendly Burma. Now, do you see the reality? Myanmar has its own position regarding issues with Rohingya and BD. But, without first studying the Burmese mindset these BDans were always giving blanket love and affection to their half brothers in Myanmar. Myanmar will certainly force out its Arakanese Muslims to BD so as to cripple BD economy.

No country is a friend of a weak neighbour. Myanmar is certainly not a friend of ours. Therefore, it is time that BD formulates a Rohingya policy that will give them a separate homeland in Arakan. Rohingyas are living in Arakan since 1430s. They are Bangali, but are not bangladeshi, but, are Burmese by nationality. The GoM denies this. So, there is no other way than to struggle for a separate homeland for themselves.

 

[Zabaniyah]

I am asking idune, Al-zakir, kalu mia, many others and their political Guru M_Saint, who had paid so many tributes to their friendly Burma. Now, do you see the reality? Myanmar has its own position regarding issues with Rohingya and BD. But, without first studying the Burmese mindset these BDans were always giving blanket love and affection to their half brothers in Myanmar. Myanmar will certainly force out its Arakanese Muslims to BD so as to cripple BD economy.

No country is a friend of a weak neighbour. Myanmar is certainly not a friend of ours. Therefore, it is time that BD formulates a Rohingya policy that will give them a separate homeland in Arakan. Rohingyas are living in Arakan since 1430s. They are Bangali, but are not bangladeshi, but, are Burmese by nationality. The GoM denies this. So, there is no other way than to struggle for a separate homeland for themselves.

There are still tens and thousands of Rohingya refugees in Cox's Bazar. All fleeing from their homeland for decades of persecution by the Burmese Junta. And yes, of-course they had an effect on Bangladesh's economy. It's not like magic or something where Bangladesh would economically benefit!

Creating a separate homeland for them would be a difficult one. I agree however that we urgently need to formulate a policy regarding the matter. I believe the key is to spread awareness about the issue around the globe. Right now, there is very little awareness.

Notice, no Muslim other than Indians, Chinese and Bangladeshis are commenting on the matter? Where the hell are the Pakistanis? Saudis? Iranians? Turks? Seriously...where'd they go? Where's the spirit of the Muslim Ummah that all these Islamists here brag about? I'm just.....amazed!!

Even though those OIC boys are just lazy ****s, we should correspond with them and the Western powers on the matter. And strategically align them according to their interests and ours regarding the situation in Burma, provided that the problem escalates to a level that becomes uncontrollable.

I understand that there are some "issues" between The Lady and Thein Sein. The former seems more of a media celebrity with a dying legacy.

 

[eastwatch]

We (along with China), should consider broader picture at play. This unrest started just after US expression of interest and after indian PM visit to Myanmar give plenty of clue that indians are spoiler. Indians are hell bent in creating animosity between Myanmar and Bangladesh. But Bangladesh good relation and connectivity with Myanmar benefit not only Bangladesh and Myanmar but also beneficial for China and US. This is a rare case of converged interest of all stakeholders but indians are out to stall that.

Please ignore alaungphaya comments, he is an indian commenting in disguise.

As usual, you are again scapegoating USA and India, but, you are denying that your loved Myanmar is persecuting its own muslims. Where is your BD-China route through Myanmar? Myanmar is not a stupid to give us such a route that will undermine its own position. Better you say TAWBA and denonce Myanmar atrocities towards the muslims. Do not also try to portray Myanmar a small crawling baby who listens only to India and its RAW.

Myanmar is not our half brother and would not give us a transit to China. Learn a little more ABCD of international relationship instead of believing all your childish thoughts. To get any concessions from Myanmar, BD will have to be aggressive. There is no other way. This is what India was doing all the time. It was fueling rebellion in Myanmar. When Myanmar started to respect India and asked for a friendly relationship, India abandoned the rebels. India did same to BD also.

There are still tens and thousands of Rohingya refugees in Cox's Bazar. All fleeing from their homeland for decades of persecution by the Burmese Junta. And yes, of-course they had an effect on Bangladesh's economy. It's not like magic or something where Bangladesh would economically benefit!

Creating a separate homeland for them would be a difficult one. I agree however that we urgently need to formulate a policy regarding the matter. I believe the key is to spread awareness about the issue around the globe. Right now, there is very little awareness.

Notice, no Muslim other than Indians, Chinese and Bangladeshis are commenting on the matter? Where the hell are the Pakistanis? Saudis? Iranians? Turks? Seriously...where'd they go? Where's the spirit of the Muslim Ummah that all these Islamists here brag about? I'm just.....amazed!!

Even though those OIC boys are just lazy ****s, we should correspond with them and the Western powers on the matter. And strategically align them according to their interests and ours regarding the situation in Burma, provided that the problem escalates to a level that becomes uncontrollable.

I understand that there are some "issues" between The Lady and Thein Sein. The former seems more of a media celebrity with a dying legacy.

Yes, I agree with all your points. But, note these steps you have mentioned should be the precurser to initiate a Arakan policy by the DGFI. Two or three acts can be persued simultaneously. A peace move, a move to accept refugees on temporary basis, talking nicely with Myanmar, but again a behind the scene action that supports an armed guerilla struggle by the Arakani Mujahids.

No soft policy will deter the GoM from persecuting the muslims. Read the posts of that Myanmar monkey, how happy he is and how he is trying to potray muslims as illegal intruders into their monkeyland when in reality Muslims have been living there since 1430s.

Muslims were the dominat force in Arakan politics for more than a century after they dethroned the nephew of a Budhist King who was reinstated to his throne by these Muslim troops from Gaud sent (probably) by Sultan Ghiyasuddin Azam Shah. They are the first or almost first group of Muslims in Arakan.But, this Myanmar monkey is spreading false information here knowing well that not every one is well versed in history.

 

[kobiraaz]

unofficially there 500,000 rohingyas in Bangladesh. bangladesh should take hard measures like pressuring UN and US that Bangladesh no more wants to give shelter to these refugees . Either throw them in the BAY of Bengal or give them land to live in Arakan! Chulay Jaak Burma BD friendship.... A war is inevitable today or tomorrow!

There are still tens and thousands of Rohingya refugees in Cox's Bazar. All fleeing from their homeland for decades of persecution by the Burmese Junta. And yes, of-course they had an effect on Bangladesh's economy. It's not like magic or something where Bangladesh would economically benefit!

Creating a separate homeland for them would be a difficult one. I agree however that we urgently need to formulate a policy regarding the matter. I believe the key is to spread awareness about the issue around the globe. Right now, there is very little awareness.

Notice, no Muslim other than Indians, Chinese and Bangladeshis are commenting on the matter? Where the hell are the Pakistanis? Saudis? Iranians? Turks? Seriously...where'd they go? Where's the spirit of the Muslim Ummah that all these Islamists here brag about? I'm just.....amazed!!

Even though those OIC boys are just lazy ****s, we should correspond with them and the Western powers on the matter. And strategically align them according to their interests and ours regarding the situation in Burma, provided that the problem escalates to a level that becomes uncontrollable.

I understand that there are some "issues" between The Lady and Thein Sein. The former seems more of a media celebrity with a dying legacy.

Exactly. I posted about them in a muslim forum. No one knew about them, except Bengalis... Its our failure no?

 

[Luffy 500]

There are still tens and thousands of Rohingya refugees in Cox's Bazar. All fleeing from their homeland for decades of persecution by the Burmese Junta. And yes, of-course they had an effect on Bangladesh's economy. It's not like magic or something where Bangladesh would economically benefit!

Creating a separate homeland for them would be a difficult one. I agree however that we urgently need to formulate a policy regarding the matter. I believe the key is to spread awareness about the issue around the globe. Right now, there is very little awareness.

Notice, no Muslim other than Indians, Chinese and Bangladeshis are commenting on the matter? Where the hell are the Pakistanis? Saudis? Iranians? Turks? Seriously...where'd they go? Where's the spirit of the Muslim Ummah that all these Islamists here brag about? I'm just.....amazed!!

Even though those OIC boys are just lazy ****s, we should correspond with them and the Western powers on the matter. And strategically align them according to their interests and ours regarding the situation in Burma, provided that the problem escalates to a level that becomes uncontrollable.

I understand that there are some "issues" between The Lady and Thein Sein. The former seems more of a media celebrity with a dying legacy.

Zabaniya bro, what is our dalal BAL gov doing? Don't you think we should allow them in? They are our
brothers, and brotherhood isn't so weak that it has to depend on whether Pakistanis and arabs
consider rohingas brothers. We consider them brothers because it is morally and Islamically the right thing. Even if you put aside ISLAM, for the sake of humanity we should allow them in.
BAL is known for being anti-muslim and today they have sunk to the lowest of the low by not
allowing the refugees in. simply disgusting. And it is our faltu gov failure to not have publisized
the issue globally so much so that even muslim countries are unaware of muslims called rohinga.
But then again we are not strong ourselves either. This is why I hate those fag0ts "mukti judar
pokhar shakti". You know what I mean.

unofficially there 500,000 rohingyas in Bangladesh. bangladesh should take hard measures like pressuring UN and US that Bangladesh no more wants to give shelter to these refugees . Either throw them in the BAY of Bengal or give them land to live in Arakan! Chulay Jaak Burma BD friendship.... A war is inevitable today or tomorrow!



Exactly. I posted about them in a muslim forum. No one knew about them, except Bengalis... Its our failure no?

Farhan bro, we have more than 500000 rohingas in BD and our principle stance at the considering
our current geopolitical scenario should be allowing the oppressed rohingas in and keep on
pressuring burma with the intl community. In that way we won't be accepting them as BD citizens but as refugees. But what do you think of the BAL fag0ts decision to not let them in?