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GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri Afterburning Turbofan develops a thrust of 82 Kilo Newton but what IAF desires is power between 90—95 KN. In Nov 2014, it was decided to abandon the program. GTRE is now running two separate successor engine programs, the K9 and the K10 program

Tech Transfer from US Turns Corner

New Delhi: The US has offered to support India in building engines for its fighter aircraft and warships, nearly 18 years after its sanctions nearly killed indigenous efforts to set them up under a project called Kaveri.

US secretary for defence Ashton Carter told India's defence minister Manohar Parrikar in Washington on Thursday that the US has changed its policy on gas turbine engine technology transfer to India, allowing the know-how to be shared with Indian companies.

The change was acknowledged in a joint statement by the two defence ministers. Carter is confident the US will be able to expand co-operation in production and design of jet engine components.

"Secretary Carter and minister Parrikar look forward to US companies working with their Indian counterparts to submit transfer requests that will benefit from this updated policy," the statement said.

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had launched the Kaveri engine programme in 1986. The engine was initially being designed for India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), which were to replace ageing Soviet-origin MiG 21 fighter planes for the Indian Air Force.

But official tardiness combined with sanctions imposed by the US after India's nuclear tests in 1998 to botch up the project. India had sent engine prototypes to the US for testing because it did not have facilities within the country. The US confiscated the prototypes. India's tests of the engine in Russia years later also met only with partial success.

Last year, the Kaveri programme was de-linked from the LCA project. The LCA aircraft project is itself more than 15 years behind its original schedule of delivery to the IAF. The LCA, which is being tested, is now being powered by engines made by US firm General Electric.

Technology meant for the engines would also be used in large warships for the Indian Navy. The main suppliers of gas turbines for the Indian Navy are mostly Ukrainian, with some Russian components. But the navy is worried about supplies and spares, with Ukraine and Russia locked in strife that threatens to break a once-mighty Soviet military industrial complex on which the Indian military is heavily dependent. The Indian Navy has 47 warships being built currently for its fleet.

Yesterday's India-US joint statement also said a bilateral Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Cooperation, especially in the area of aircraft launch and recovery equipment, was drafting a roadmap on potential US support for the complex vessels.

This week, a Jet Engine Technology Joint Working Group, which met in Bangalore, had concluded its terms of reference and had productive discussions on co-operation in this area, the statement said.

Defence minister Parrikar has been in the US since December 4. He was at first hosted at the headquarters of the US Pacific Command (Pacom) in Hawaii, the first Indian defence minister to visit the largest theatre command in the world.

In Hawaii, Parrikar received briefings from the US Pacom chief, Admiral Harry J. Harris. In a statement, Pacom said the two sides understood that the "foundational agreements" proposed by the US - mainly a logistics support agreement and a communications interoperability and security memorandum of agreement (CISMOA) - were important for bilateral military cooperation. There was no mention of when and whether the agreements would be signed.

Parrikar was also given a demonstration of carrier operations on board the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Carter welcomed India's participation in the Rim-of-the-Pacific (RIMPAC) multilateral naval exercise in 2016 as well as participation by the Indian Air Force in the multilateral Red Flag exercise in April-May 2016. The US would be participating in an International Fleet Review of the Indian Navy at Visakhapatnam in February 2016.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1151212/jsp/nation/story_58058.jsp#.VmtRGFOfcnU
 
Kaveri_Engine_IDN.jpg

GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri Afterburning Turbofan develops a thrust of 82 Kilo Newton but what IAF desires is power between 90—95 KN. In Nov 2014, it was decided to abandon the program. GTRE is now running two separate successor engine programs, the K9 and the K10 program

Tech Transfer from US Turns Corner

New Delhi: The US has offered to support India in building engines for its fighter aircraft and warships, nearly 18 years after its sanctions nearly killed indigenous efforts to set them up under a project called Kaveri.

US secretary for defence Ashton Carter told India's defence minister Manohar Parrikar in Washington on Thursday that the US has changed its policy on gas turbine engine technology transfer to India, allowing the know-how to be shared with Indian companies.

The change was acknowledged in a joint statement by the two defence ministers. Carter is confident the US will be able to expand co-operation in production and design of jet engine components.

"Secretary Carter and minister Parrikar look forward to US companies working with their Indian counterparts to submit transfer requests that will benefit from this updated policy," the statement said.

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had launched the Kaveri engine programme in 1986. The engine was initially being designed for India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), which were to replace ageing Soviet-origin MiG 21 fighter planes for the Indian Air Force.

But official tardiness combined with sanctions imposed by the US after India's nuclear tests in 1998 to botch up the project. India had sent engine prototypes to the US for testing because it did not have facilities within the country. The US confiscated the prototypes. India's tests of the engine in Russia years later also met only with partial success.

Last year, the Kaveri programme was de-linked from the LCA project. The LCA aircraft project is itself more than 15 years behind its original schedule of delivery to the IAF. The LCA, which is being tested, is now being powered by engines made by US firm General Electric.

Technology meant for the engines would also be used in large warships for the Indian Navy. The main suppliers of gas turbines for the Indian Navy are mostly Ukrainian, with some Russian components. But the navy is worried about supplies and spares, with Ukraine and Russia locked in strife that threatens to break a once-mighty Soviet military industrial complex on which the Indian military is heavily dependent. The Indian Navy has 47 warships being built currently for its fleet.

Yesterday's India-US joint statement also said a bilateral Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Cooperation, especially in the area of aircraft launch and recovery equipment, was drafting a roadmap on potential US support for the complex vessels.

This week, a Jet Engine Technology Joint Working Group, which met in Bangalore, had concluded its terms of reference and had productive discussions on co-operation in this area, the statement said.

Defence minister Parrikar has been in the US since December 4. He was at first hosted at the headquarters of the US Pacific Command (Pacom) in Hawaii, the first Indian defence minister to visit the largest theatre command in the world.

In Hawaii, Parrikar received briefings from the US Pacom chief, Admiral Harry J. Harris. In a statement, Pacom said the two sides understood that the "foundational agreements" proposed by the US - mainly a logistics support agreement and a communications interoperability and security memorandum of agreement (CISMOA) - were important for bilateral military cooperation. There was no mention of when and whether the agreements would be signed.

Parrikar was also given a demonstration of carrier operations on board the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Carter welcomed India's participation in the Rim-of-the-Pacific (RIMPAC) multilateral naval exercise in 2016 as well as participation by the Indian Air Force in the multilateral Red Flag exercise in April-May 2016. The US would be participating in an International Fleet Review of the Indian Navy at Visakhapatnam in February 2016.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1151212/jsp/nation/story_58058.jsp#.VmtRGFOfcnU
I believe title shud b changed. No where telegraph says mk2 n amca just tech transfers from US turning corner. In article inside also no mention of AMCA. So lets not add speculations here.

Eventually it may be true but source does nt say that for sure......
 
The new engine is GE F414 EPE "Enhanced Performance Engine” standard which has a new core and a redesigned fan and compressor. At the moment its being planned for both platforms MK 2 and later AMCA.
 
In Hawaii, Parrikar received briefings from the US Pacom chief, Admiral Harry J. Harris. In a statement, Pacom said the two sides understood that the "foundational agreements" proposed by the US - mainly a logistics support agreement and a communications interoperability and security memorandum of agreement (CISMOA) - were important for bilateral military cooperation. There was no mention of when and whether the agreements would be signed.


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1151212/jsp/nation/story_58058.jsp#.VmtRGFOfcnU

What a great turn around in US-India relations with UPA out and BJP in.

Seems like the US-India Defense Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI) is moving a break neck speed as India has now agreed to sign the contentious agreements that were earlier rejected by UPA.

Beggars cannot be choosers and Better sense seems to have a prevailed finally.

BJP government need to move as fast as possible on these agreements before they loose power in 2019.



Logistics Support Agreement (LSA),
Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA)
Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA).


India averse to inking military pacts with U.S. - The Hindu

US pushes India to ink contentious defence pacts - Times of India

US is pushing India to sign three contentious defence pacts | IndiaTV News
 
Weren't the russians also helping india in kaveri project ?

What different will it be now with US help ?
 
do not believe US of A we will be alone in asia, not even russians will be with us.......India should balance the relations.....15 billion is enough for russia for the moment, otherwise phir se fighter leke pakistan ke pass chale jayenge....
 
should india trust them not to do it again ?

India can completely trust US as long as the Tech is used against China and not against Pakistan.

India needs Russian/French/Israel Technology only for Pakistan.


Weren't the russians also helping india in kaveri project ?

What different will it be now with US help ?

Neither French nor Russians would share the Engine Tech. Only US is willing to share.

Do not worry. BJP is not going to loose power. BJP shall be in power either on its own or with allies.

I would NOT take that Chance. BJP returning to power in future elections is less than 1%. I will personally apologize to you if they return to power.
 
India can completely trust US as long as the Tech is used against China and not against Pakistan.

India needs Russian/French/Israel Technology only for Pakistan.




Neither French nor Russians would share the Engine Tech. Only US is willing to share.



I would NOT take that Chance. BJP returning to power in future elections is less than 1%. I will personally apologize to you if they return to power.
If sharing of tech or helping in Engine development is concerned, than its ok and welcomed, but what if its just the TOT manufacturing of F404 and F414 or F414EPE development in sharing budget basis ?
 
I wish Indian members stop comparing every Tom Dick and Harry developments with Congress and BJP. Even if the UPA was in power now, US relationships would have strengthened. Its just BJP simply has the numbers in LS.

No way. UPA has strangled the growth of India-US relations with all types of hurdles. Be it not signing these agreements or the Liability clause for the Nuclear reactors.
 
The new engine is GE F414 EPE "Enhanced Performance Engine” standard which has a new core and a redesigned fan and compressor. At the moment its being planned for both platforms MK 2 and later AMCA.

With mk1p, slated to have Ge 404 engine,

Ge 414 ÉPÉ for mk2 & amca,

What will be the fate GEf414 INS6 engine that we have ordered ?

What a great turn around in US-India relations with UPA out and BJP in.

Seems like the US-India Defense Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI) is moving a break neck speed as India has now agreed to sign the contentious agreements that were earlier rejected by UPA.

Beggars cannot be choosers and Better sense seems to have a prevailed finally.

BJP government need to move as fast as possible on these agreements before they loose power in 2019.



Logistics Support Agreement (LSA),
Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA)
Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA).


India averse to inking military pacts with U.S. - The Hindu

US pushes India to ink contentious defence pacts - Times of India

US is pushing India to sign three contentious defence pacts | IndiaTV News

BJP will hold power for a long time.
For BJP to lose power, congress will contest whom? Rahul ?

Rahul needs to trained .
Let him be minister or CM then occupy the PM chair. He is very innocent and not have enough experience in administration . Till then Modi is the Man.
 
With mk1p, slated to have Ge 404 engine,

Ge 414 ÉPÉ for mk2 & amca,

What will be the fate GEf414 INS6 engine that we have ordered ?

It should be 120 + F404 for LCA MK1a, MK1, LIFT

F414INS6 with European EJ200 TVC nossle for LCA MK-2, MK2 Naval

F414INS EPE for AMCA

BJP will hold power for a long time.
For BJP to lose power, congress will contest whom? Rahul ?

Rahul needs to trained .
Let him be minister or CM then occupy the PM chair. He is very innocent and not have enough experience in administration . Till then Modi is the Man.
Rahul should be the Congress main leader, that will gaurantee BJP win.
 

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