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Sep 13, 2013, 12.14 AM IST



NEW DELHI: Having already bagged Indian defence contracts worth over $8 billion in recent years after muscling out Russia, Israel and France, the US is now headed towards clinching another four major deals worth almost $5 billion.

Defence ministry sources on Thursday said the deals for six more C-130J " Super Hercules" aircraft ($1.2 billion), 22 Apache attack helicopters ($1.4 billion), 145 M-777 ultra-light howitzers ($885 million) and 15 Chinook heavy-lift helicopters (around $1 billion) "are in the final stages" now.

India will convey this to US deputy secretary of defence Ashton B Carter when he arrives here next week. Carter, who will hold talks with defence minister A K Antony, national security advisor Shiv Shankar Menon and defence secretary R K Mathur, is the Obama administration's "point man" for expanding defence trade with India as a cornerstone of the bilateral strategic ties.

"The deals should be inked within this financial year (2013-2014) despite budgetary constraints. The C-130J deal, for instance, is likely to go to the Cabinet Committee on Security in October-November," said a source.

The aircraft and howitzer deals will be direct government-to-government contracts under the US foreign military sales (FMS) programme, which does not involve competition through global tenders.

The attack and heavy-lift helicopter deals, however, were won by aviation major Boeing after its AH-64D Apache Longbow and twin-rotor Chinook helicopters outclassed Russian Mi-28 Havoc and Mi-26 choppers in field trials and commercial evaluation.

But there are "some loose ends" in the deals that need to be tied up first. The defence ministry, for instance, has told Boeing that it should drop its insistence on "limited liability clauses" being included in the agreements.

Similarly, the M-777 contract has been hanging fire since January 2010 due to field evaluation reports being "leaked" and certain other irregularities involving a top Indian Army officer. "There is an inquiry in progress but it should not be a major hurdle," said another source.

Cost escalation is another big factor. Due to the long delay, the US Defence Security Cooperation Agency last month hiked the cost of the M-777 deal from the earlier $ 647 million to $885 million for the 155mm/39-calibre howitzers.

Incidentally, the four deals are also in tune with the government's recent approval to the Rs 90,000 crore plan to raise a new mountain strike corps along with two "independent" infantry brigades and two "independent" armoured brigades (totalling over 80,000 soldiers) over the next seven years to plug operational gaps against China.

While the first six C-130J aircraft acquired by IAF are based at the Hindon airbase, the six new "Super Hercules" will be housed at Panagarh in West Bengal. Panagarh will serve as the headquarters for the new Army mountain corps.

Similarly, the air-mobile M-777 howitzers, with an almost 30-km range, can be swiftly deployed in high-altitude areas in Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh by helicopters and aircraft to counter China.


Source: US set to bag $5bn defence deals - The Times of India
 
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One thing you gotta give to the US defense deals..High quality, Quick delivery schedule and adherence to the same. The only thing that worries me is the stupid foreign policy of USA that might create logistical issues on maintenance sometime in future if Indian foreign policy comes at loggerheads with that of USA
 
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One thing you gotta give to the US defense deals..High quality, Quick delivery schedule and adherence to the same. The only thing that worries me is the stupid foreign policy of USA that might create logistical issues on maintenance sometime in future if Indian foreign policy comes at loggerheads with that of USA

russians are gonna open vodka bottles to drown their pain tonight:omghaha:
 
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I understand that large deals such as this must be transparent and done in the correct way but sometimes it takes so long to sign that we always end up paying more for it compared to the original price quoted.
 
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One thing you gotta give to the US defense deals..High quality, Quick delivery schedule and adherence to the same. The only thing that worries me is the stupid foreign policy of USA that might create logistical issues on maintenance sometime in future if Indian foreign policy comes at loggerheads with that of USA

There are fair chances of logistics issues popping up later as Indians n US have some differences over some international issues but all these purchases are as per plans of arming new mountain division with china border excursively with US weapons, this is a welcome sign
 
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[Bregs];4763595 said:
lol all these arms India taking from US, Russians have lost

man i am personally against this policy

we should have done jv in some crucial areas,,,,it would have given us lot of experience and them some contracts.
with usa we can't even get the tot!!

[Bregs];4763608 said:
There are fair chances of logistics issues popping up later as Indians n US have some differences over some international issues but all these purchases are as per plans of arming new mountain division with china border excursively with US weapons, this is a welcome sign

in case of m777 russia has no alternative at all
 
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man i am personally against this policy

we should have done jv in some crucial areas,,,,it would have given us lot of experience and them some contracts.
with usa we can't even get the tot!!



in case of m777 russia has no alternative at all


Yes apart from this all others lost because despite being advanced they were very heavy and thus less maneuverable, looks its India's plan to arm its eastern border with US arms as Russia sells to both China n India
 
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[Bregs];4763618 said:
Yes apart from this all others lost because despite being advanced they were very heavy and thus less maneuverable, looks its India's plan to arm its eastern border with US arms as Russia sells to both China n India

What should they do??

Are we totally buying from them?

We have a right to buy from anywhere and they have a right to sell anyone

If we keep on pursuing this policy they will supply more to china
 
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What should they do??

Are we totally buying from them?

We have a right to buy from anywhere and they have a right to sell anyone

If we keep on pursuing this policy they will supply more to china

Its there right no doubt but to sell adversaries sharing border looks odd one out
 
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[Bregs];4763650 said:
Its there right no doubt but to sell adversaries sharing border looks odd one out

what about buying from americans in case of india??

does it look pretty and even honorable from russian perspective??no
 
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what about buying from americans in case of india??

does it look pretty and even honorable from russian perspective??no

Indians know the art of diplomacy very well and they will compensate Russians too
 
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The future is joint production be it with USA or Russia that should be our focus not to mention invest more on R&D in our own country

jv with USA??

Forget about it dude.They may be hard pressed to give even a simple tot
 
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jv with USA??

Forget about it dude.They may be hard pressed to give even a simple tot


We only started a new strategic chapter with the US not so long ago, remember they even have given us some supercomputers but when we conducted the N test it again changed our ties. However with US now focusing more on the Asia-pacific region it is in their interest to further ties with India and down the road in 5-10 years I can see some sort of joint production as it will save cost on both sides.
 
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