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Then you accuse us of having conspiracy theories. No doubt this means CIA were complicit in hiding Osama
if america have balls to take away pakistans nukes or disaram nukes they have already done it it is american day time dream that will not come true
during this fictional scenario the following may happen:
1.The US sends in SF guys in limited numbers who know hypothetically where each and every warhead is (which is almost impossible), the are able to take out around 60 % at best,
2.THe opn was a night raid, with fierce deployment and the US expeditionary force was either shot down or killed at the site with very few if any going back home
3.Obama now realizing what a shitstorm he just gave birth to tries to salvage some pride and sends in the MEUs (marine expeditionary units) first, followed by an eventual large scale inflow
4.By now it is mid day the next day and the misadventure is all over the news and the military is deployed and a few bombs are detonated somewhere in Balochistan to send off a message. Millions of civilians men flock to the ''civil arming camps'' and others flock to reinforce the army, thousands of militas form all over the country, all internal divides are forgotten sice the **** has hit the fan
5.Spec ops troops are around the remaining sites and all the assets in Afghanistan strike out at any troop movement trying to cross the border and reinforce the MEUs that are bashing it out with the army near the coast and are involved in severe urban conflict in the shore line cities with the people, who once aimed at their own troops are now aiming at the real enemy with rpgs, aks and pretty muck all they can get their hands on
6.Some nukes are armed and others are put on standby to be armed at o moments notice. The war is by now heating up and a few days pass by with many MEU troops killed and many Pakistanis martyred, some of the reinforcements reach from the western border and both sides involve in all out battle.
7.The Indians try and be opportunistic and try to involve from the east but China threatens ( doesnt get involved) and the Indians back off
Now two thing can happen, either the US backs down or boom boom boom the Pakistanis give the US a farewell gift and wipe off all the US bases in the ME, along with tel aviv and major cities of India,
8.Now the US is screwed and so is Pakistan and the US replays Vietnam and Afghanistan in the ensuing LIC which would probably drag on for years and even decades......
My advice to the US dont **** with us we are crazy enough and motivated enough to get screwed and screw you in the process, Allah ho Akbar
It doesn't means that the CIA was hiding osama, they let the ISI made him their state guest while they turned their eyes away from this fact. When the time was right they used this killing of osama incident to call back their forces as promised by the president obama. This increased his popularity in USA and might have an effect on his re-election.
musharaff already sold off the nukes--while the us may not have physical possession of all parts - the capability is definitely neutralized....
LOL. You think we don't know this. I can't believe that journalist was so stupid and ignorant to not know how nuclear reaction works and even more gullible when he was led into believing that nuclear bombs cannot be used by the smarter chaps due to 'codes'.
You don't say? Source?
What's an armored brigade with heavy bombers??
And yes, I do expect heavy bombers or more specifically stealth bombers to be a part of this raid, more or less.
Anyway, as it has already been ascertained that I am not an expert in this field, I don't really have too many theories.
SF's and NEST teams backed with SEAD/DEAD ops using whatever means, CM's, B-2's[?], precision bombing and destruction of Pakistani AFB's along with establishing instant air supremacy using F-22[] and heavy carpet bombing of all the roads connecting the nuclear facilities till the nukes are denuked is what I am gonna go with.
Arguably I may need some lessons in Strategic Defense, but whatever I've had my fill for now.
you reckon we don't move them around? Did even Mush know where all nukes are?
Question for the experts:
Do nuclear weapons require replenishment? I know Pu has a long half-life, but is there any need to replenish the pile?
If so, the US could destroy Pakistan's nuclear reactors and start a countdown for effectively denuking Pakistan. Pakistan would really have no recourse -- it is not going to nuke the US in return.
And do you think they wouldn't take these things into consideration before before attempting such attacks. The'll be months of scouting, planning and recon before they undertake any such attack.
BTW I really liked how you used that stealth helo theory to add muscle to your arguments.
According to you they'll just send a bunch of stealth helos and a handful of SF's to take out your nuclear arsenal.
UH UH. This is just wishful thinking. And Americans are smarter than that.
you reckon we don't move them around? Did even Mush know where all nukes are?
It doesn't means that the CIA was hiding osama, they let the ISI made him their state guest while they turned their eyes away from this fact. When the time was right they used this killing of osama incident to call back their forces as promised by the president obama. This increased his popularity in USA and might have an effect on his re-election.
If only Asian countries could learn to unite....Good enough, the US was also involved in training and advising in Pakistan on how to safeguard its nukes(if i am right), It also certified that Pakistan's nukes are in safe hands, even India has said the same thing.
So what is the apprehension right now to take away Pakistan's nukes? it's all sysops. The west is building up a case against Pakistan. Don't blame India for this cos we might possibly be the next in line.
If only Asian countries could learn to unite....
People of subcontinent have never learned from history. Time and again, foreigners have exploited the internal differences of this region.
It doesn't means that the CIA was hiding osama, they let the ISI made him their state guest while they turned their eyes away from this fact. When the time was right they used this killing of osama incident to call back their forces as promised by the president obama. This increased his popularity in USA and might have an effect on his re-election.
Keep on thumping your chest while the USA kills scores of people in your country by drone strikes, a day might come even this possibility of america intervening in pakistan to take away its nukes might come true just like you never thought that one day you and your brother americans will be on the opposite side.
Do not confuse capability with will.Lolll...Keep on dreaming Americans and Indians... Americans cant do even an inch abt Pakistani nukes...If they could, they would have done long ago, even before we tested on 28May 1998.. They couldnt even deter Pakistan from testing nukes and here some ppl are having wet dreams, tht after having a highly professional strategic command and control system, in place, America can even think of snatching Pak nukes....As I said, if America could do anything abt Pak nukes, they would have done long ago.Its just part of American psy ops against Pakistan......But .Well, whatever makes u sleep peacefully.....I am amazed at Indians excitement over this dream of Americans snatching Pakistani nukes... Just live with this fact Indians and Americans, tht Pak has nukes...the sooner u accept it, the better....
Welcome to the 21st century of warfare.Question is, how does the US plan to target 200 nukes along with material for another 50 or so..
scattered across 803,940 km² of land??
Cargo planes?You have no idea.Even if they can find the storage in one place the nukes are dispersed in alot of places and secondly the problem is not finding them the problem is taking them away with them.You don't fit a nuke in a black hawk!
ONP was smaller in scope accordingly as well.200 nukes scattered in the specified area and understandably larger than a single person faced with retaliation from PAF and PA of the utmost level.
not feasible.
ISI did not revealed that where OBL was hiding. ISI itself did not knew this. CIA picked up from a single clue given by ISI and finished the job unilaterally.The difference, which apparently is not clear to your limited intelligence, is that ISI provided intel to CIA about the high Value Target at that location. If the world, especially India or Russia, had any intel about Pakistan's Nuclear capability back in 1998, India would not have carried out the Nuclear Tests!
Fact is, nobody know's how many Nukes and in how many different places we have, not even our own Prime Ministers/Presidents.
Not really......CIA could not locate OBL without intel from ISI.
This is actually one of the contingency plans of USA. We should not be surprised.This is old news (MSNBC: 3 Aug 2011).
Open Channel - US prepares for worst-case scenario with Pakistan nukes
Its safe to assume that planning for the worst-case scenario regarding Pakistan nukes has ready taken place inside the U.S. government, said Roger Cressey, former deputy director of counterterrorism in the Clinton and Bush White House and an NBC News consultant. This issue remains one of the highest priorities of the U.S. intelligence community ... and the White House.
What's interesting here is the silence from the vociferous Pakistani liberals who always dismiss these claims as mullah-inspired conspiracy theories. Perhaps Nadeem Paracha is too busy smoking grass to bother responding to these reports.
Secondly, all this talk of terrorist access to nukes is a furphy. The Pentagon knows full well that there is zero chance of nukes falling into terrorist hands. The terrorist angle is only a cover story for the American desire to denuke Pakistan as a matter of policy.
Most likely neutralization is the objective.are nukes somebody lunch box you could snatch them and run away..first of all it would take considerable effort to locate them in all corners of the country. Then to enter the facilities and the challenging logistics of taking hundreds of nukes weighting a few hundred KG each...not at all a snatch and run operation but obama is just trying to fool the world.
US will commit resources accordingly.Thats one person.. undefended..
These are 200 items or more.. pretty well defended.
A slight difference.
Do not confuse capability with will.
Welcome to the 21st century of warfare.
Please take your time in understanding all facets of modern technologies.
Cargo planes?
ONP was smaller in scope accordingly as well.
ISI did not revealed that where OBL was hiding. ISI itself did not knew this. CIA picked up from a single clue given by ISI and finished the job unilaterally.
This is actually one of the contingency plans of USA. We should not be surprised.
Who knows? US might have similar contingency plan for India as well...........
Most likely neutralization is the objective.
US will commit resources accordingly.