US plans to bomb Miranshah and kill 200 civilians in revenge?

[T-Rex]

can you explain how Pakistan will intercept Stealth aircraft ? US is the only country which has many stealth aircraft. I don't know any country which can intercept and destroy such technology as per my knowledge. Kindly, explain how you will intercept if US sends 20 Stealth aircraft and it reaches centre of Pakistan ?

Are these stealth fighters invisible to our eyes? Trust me, there are ways to fight them. Now, don't expect the Pakistanis to show the method to your big daddy.

 

[King123]

Are these stealth fighters invisible to our eyes? Trust me, there are ways to fight them. Now, don't expect the Pakistanis to show the method to your big daddy.

US is not our best friend. Past or Present. So, leave that topic. Yes, Bangladesh big daddy is India, As Hasina is RAW agent according to most of the Bangladesh people.

Oh Common man, Stealth tech is still not available. Still, 5-10 years left. No country has such tech except US and you saying, Pakistan has method to counter ? Don't you think, you are posting hilarious statement ? or Pakistan has that Technology what US don't have yet leave alone rest of the world ? or may be you don't understand the concept of Stealth.

No country operates Stealth Aircraft in the world except US. method to counter is still 10-20 years far.

 

[53fd]

Are these stealth fighters invisible to our eyes? Trust me, there are ways to fight them. Now, don't expect the Pakistanis to show the method to your big daddy.

There are many ways to tackle that, when a stealth helicopter approaches close enough, it isn't as 'stealth' anymore. When they are landing somewhere, they can always be shot down easily, even the Taliban have done it.

 

[King123]

There are many ways to tackle that, when a stealth helicopter approaches close enough, it isn't as 'stealth' anymore. When they are landing somewhere, they can always be shot down easily, even the Taliban have done it.

If there is many ways, can you explain 1 or 2 as I don't know think anyone knows in the world because there is not a single method to tackle such aircraft.

Not True. It doesn't work like this. If it works like this, Then US, China, India, Russia won't waste 200 Billion $for such aircraft. US had never used Stealth except OBL raid. They even never used their best 4++ or 4.5++ Fighter jets.

 

[Windjammer]

Provided there is an option left with Pakistan to show or not show this hospitality.. My sources though are telling me that Pakistani civilian govt is a willing participant in the whole plan. Kind of gets rid of the terrorists on Pakistani soil while showing defenselessness in the face of world's only superpower..

2 birds with 1 stone.. Terrorists gone.. Public sentiment controlled since its not the govt that attacked them directly..

Pakistan always keeps it's options open............

The civilian government may as well be willing and realistically speaking, America is doing Pakistan's dirty laundry to a certain extent, however if there is another overtly misadventure by the Americans, the armed forces will mean business.... you see after the OBL incident, COAS had a difficult time cooling things down. Whatever the American may try and do, pray that India doesn't twitch a muscle.

 

[Al Bhatti]

How great would it be for Pakistan, if few wrong coordinates are entered for the targets and at the same time all the corrupt heads of the government are present in the parliament and are announced dead the next day.

 

[53fd]

If there is many ways, can you explain 1 or 2 as I don't know think anyone knows in the world because there is not a single method to tackle such aircraft.

Not True. It doesn't work like this. If it works like this, Then US, China, India, Russia won't waste 200 Billion $for such aircraft. US had never used Stealth except OBL raid.

When you get closer to someone's "'eye level", you won't be "stealth" in front of them. It's not like an invisibility cloak for heaven's sake! The stealth nature of the helicopter is designed to evade radar systems, but it doesn't mean that a human eye wouldn't be able to spot it up close. The stealth nature comes with the helicopter using smooth surfaces, which absorbs radar beams rather than reflecting it. The tail rotor consisted of stabilizers so that the fan wouldn't make much sound, but it still gets detected by the human ear when up close.

 

[karan.1970]

Pakistan always keeps it's options open............

The civilian government may as well be willing and realistically speaking, America is doing Pakistan's dirty laundry to a certain extent, however if there is another overtly misadventure by the Americans, the armed forces will mean business.... you see after the OBL incident, COAS had a difficult time cooling things down. Whatever the American may try and do, pray that India doesn't twitch a muscle.

Dont think there would be any overt action by India, except may be helping out in supplies if at all... No one wants to give Pakistan an excuse to go all kamikaze. India may just order a large batch of ACT II though

Pakistani armed forces can not do squat against Americans overtly.. Thats the advantage of fighting 10000 miles away from homeland. All you can do is manage attacks like one in Kabul a few days back. That does nothing to the combat capability of a military.

And if missiles start flying, then well, Americans wont need to bother about whether Pakistani bases/c&C centers are within range or not as the whole Pakistan can be attacked by them thru multiple ways like Drones, stand off weapons and ICBMs.. So the PA strategists will try to keep it low intensity if at all it happens.

 

[Al Bhatti]

Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik also rejected allegations of any ties between Pakistan’s intelligence community and the Haqqani network, saying in an interview with Reuters news agency, “The Pakistan nation will not allow the boots on our ground, never.... They must respect our sovereignty,” an apparent reference to Panetta’s remarks.

When will this stupid idiot shut up?

He is not capable of handling internal affairs of Pakistan and is talking about external affairs.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Then above that BLA,BRA will start receiving CIA funds,training and so on so forth.

You are assuming that they are not already doing that - there is already strong belief that the US and/or some of its allies are funding the Baluch/Sunni terrorists in Iran - those groups have links with their counterparts in Pakistani Baluchistan, and the 'US assistance' likely makes its way to the Pakistani terrorist groups.

As I have argued before, I find it hard to believe that the violence that flared up in Baluchistan after the Raymond Davis incident, and then after the deterioration in US-Pak relations post Abbottabad raid, is just a coincident.

And now, with movement on the IP Pipeline, we have large attacks on Shia in Baluchistan, at the same time as reports come out of US threatening to sanction Pakistan if it goes ahead with the Iranian pipeline.

 

[karan.1970]

You are assuming that they are not already doing that - there is already strong belief that the US and/or some of its allies are funding the Baluch/Sunni terrorists in Iran - those groups have links with their counterparts in Pakistani Baluchistan, and the 'US assistance' likely makes its way to the Pakistani terrorist groups.

As I have argued before, I find it hard to believe that the violence that flared up in Baluchistan after the Raymond Davis incident, and then after the deterioration in US-Pak relations post Abbottabad raid, is just a coincident.

And now, with movement on the IP Pipeline, we have large attacks on Shia in Baluchistan, at the same time as reports come out of US threatening to sanction Pakistan if it goes ahead with the Iranian pipeline.

Sounds pretty logical.. Looks like a case of fighting fire with fire ... Unfortunately this game has a large amount of collateral damage..

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Dont think there would be any overt action by India, except may be helping out in supplies if at all... No one wants to give Pakistan an excuse to go all kamikaze. India may just order a large batch of ACT II though

Pakistani armed forces can not do squat against Americans overtly.. Thats the advantage of fighting 10000 miles away from homeland. All you can do is manage attacks like one in Kabul a few days back. That does nothing to the combat capability of a military.

And if missiles start flying, then well, Americans wont need to bother about whether Pakistani bases/c&C centers are within range or not as the whole Pakistan can be attacked by them thru multiple ways like Drones, stand off weapons and ICBMs.. So the PA strategists will try to keep it low intensity if at all it happens.

While the US has the overwhelming conventional military advantage, there is little that an overt full scale war against the Pakistani Military will achieve, other than turning Pakistan into another Somalia down the road once the one institution capable of keeping the country united and the religious extremists at bay is decimated.

Pakistan turning into a Somalia would only exacerbate the terrorism threat from this part of the world.

So, like you said, any 'conflict' will remain small scale and limited to isolated military operations here and there.

I do think that the estimate of '200 civilian casualties' is bogus - here is why. The US pretty much has free reign in carrying out drones strikes in FATA, especially NW. It reportedly is now conducting these drone strikes independent of Pakistani support, through the intelligence network it has built up. So if the Haqqanis are so easily located in 'camps and safe havens in North Waziristan', why haven't US drone strikes taken them out yet? And if the US cannot spot them with almost non-stop aerial surveillance and its intelligence network on the ground, then what exactly will a ground based raid accomplish?

To make any serious dent in the alleged Haqqani network based in NW, the US would have to literally occupy all of NW for an extended period of time with thousands of troops - but if that happens, the Taliban would likely just relocate to the surrounding agencies in FATA, tap into the anger and anti-American sentiment over the invasion and occupation of Pakistani/FATA territory, recruit tens of thousands more fighters from across Pakistan, and keep fighting the US in both NW and Afghanistan as an even more potent and powerful militant group.

So, if 'invasion and occupation of NW' is not feasible, and 'targeted air strikes' that are already being carried out are not working, then the only thing left to do is indiscriminate bombing of North Waziristan, which would result in TENS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT DEATHS, not just 200.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

There is some buzz going about USG debating whether or not bomb heavily populated areas to route out the Haqqanis. A figure of 200 civilians has been speculated that would be lost as collateral damage. Apparently the hesitancy is only in the high collateral damage but in the Obama Administration words like "revenge" are being used to justify killing 200 civilians.

This is mostly just hearsay from various journalists, but I heard Najam Sethi repeat this and use the same 200 civilians number in the Show "Apas ki Baat" and so it takes it a notch above a mere rumor.

May better sense prevail in the jackasses that are running the USG these days.

This is the continuation of the US “unstated” policy of spreading fear, intimidation and hopelessness among the populations of the countries it invades.
If you look at the number of the “isolated incidents” as the US state department puts it. You will see the clear symmetry of war crimes long after the end of 2nd world war to this day.

Looking at what its soldiers do at prison camps and jails.
The massacre of civilians from Apaches, Point blank shooting of infants and children, raping and murdering families to hide evidence.

Dismembering and taking body parts of civilians as trophies by their killer teams and total disregard while discharging their weapons and showing least interest in verifying the target for the hell of the kill and actually sniggering, laughing and applauding each other over the crippled civilians. firing hellfires at wedding parties, funeral and peace gathers in Pakistan & Afghanistan are one of the many incidents which are anything but isolated. While the US media which acted as the mouth peace of American foreign policy talked about winning hearts and minds, the American soldiers on ground in Afghanistan and Iraq also had the saying, two in the heart and one in the mind.. throughout history they have shown their utter hatred towards the civilians under their aggression be it ordinary Vietnamese killed for being Vietcong’s or the Iraqis & Afghans suspected of being insurgents. Their usual line is that they are doing world a favour by killing… wait for it .. for killing a “POTENTIAL” terrorist.

All of the above shows the hallmarks of a an empire at work. President Bush was blunt and honest when he said it that either you are with us or against us and we bomb you to stone age. This all is orchestrated at the highest levels of American power and they have their hand in that. there is a saying that Americans are very good at winning wars but don’t do well at winning peace, but the thing is, they never try for it.

There is another dimension to all this blood thirst too, there is a constant power struggle among the different departments within the echelons of American state. Where one is trying to push the other from the centre and make it less effective and in doing so it would overtly or covertly put things in motion which might suggest against the American stated policy. The results of this power struggle between the departments, the armed forces and the security agencies and the government is very high for the people who live under the American occupation.


So in summary, whenever you her about another story of a massacre of civilians or the savage and sick working of one of their kill teams, just add it to a long list of other events that came to the light and if you multiply it with 5 or 10 and think that many have not seen the light of the day then you are not that off from the mark.

 

[Jango]

It is just not feasible, owing to a lot of factors.

 

[Windjammer]

Dont think there would be any overt action by India, except may be helping out in supplies if at all... No one wants to give Pakistan an excuse to go all kamikaze. India may just order a large batch of ACT II though

Pakistani armed forces can not do squat against Americans overtly.. Thats the advantage of fighting 10000 miles away from homeland. All you can do is manage attacks like one in Kabul a few days back. That does nothing to the combat capability of a military.

And if missiles start flying, then well, Americans wont need to bother about whether Pakistani bases/c&C centers are within range or not as the whole Pakistan can be attacked by them thru multiple ways like Drones, stand off weapons and ICBMs.. So the PA strategists will try to keep it low intensity if at all it happens.

Well, our certain neighbour is only too well known for..... running with Rabbits and hunting with Hounds, hence that's the least of our concerns.
You see tall talk and cheap banter doesn't cost a dime rather actions speak louder than words likefor example, the twelve month brinkmanship.
Since one is running with Rabbits, I don't see what benefit Pakistan could possibly achieve through the likes of Kabul attacks since contrary to Americans mulling to pull out of Afghanistan, General Kiyani is of opinion, they should remain until at least 2014.