US Navy's new warship, USS Zumwalt, can prepare for battle on its own: report

[IceCold]

Come on guys give credit where it is due, not that it mattes since nothing the Chinese or the Russians have at the moment that resembles anything remotely close to this beast. There is a reason why US is still the most advanced nation in terms of their military capability on the planet. Downplaying and ridiculing won't change the fact.

 

[gambit]

Wow, you are a professional alright...professional storyteller

And what make you guys ?

Come on guys give credit where it is due, not that it mattes since nothing the Chinese or the Russians have at the moment that resembles anything remotely close to this beast. There is a reason why US is still the most advanced nation in terms of their military capability on the planet. Downplaying and ridiculing won't change the fact.

The Chinese have -- 'Chinese physics'. And we have seen plenty of that here.

 

[gambit]

China and Russia are no Iraq.

Neither China nor Russia could have handled Iraq. But let us focus on China for now since there are plenty of suck-ups for China.

The PLA at that time could not have taken on the Iraqi Army. And we did. The PLA predicted heavy casualties for US in Desert Storm. But it ended up that US troops had more to fear from fratricide than from Iraqis. The PLA generals have NOTHING to base their prediction upon. Nothing but their own flawed understanding of modern warfare. So the argument that 'China is no Iraq' is an empty one, especially when the PLA once had no ranks and was completely ideological instead of being technical.

The rest of your post is simply more nonsense.

 

[UKBengali]

That is kinda stupid considering the Z is still pending sea trial. It is kinda stupid to use current event to criticize the capabilities of a still under construction warship.


No...It is YOU who are the laughing stock here.

First...You got no military experience to make any kind of pronouncement.

Second...Everyone knows whatever pronouncement you make, it will always be in favor of whoever is not US. Completely absent of any critical analyses, especially when it comes to technical issues.

Finally...If our generals are laughing, it will be from reading ignorant posts like yours.

See the middle image ? That is how any radar system would process any current ship of any size, civilian or military, as a cluster of reflecting surfaces of various shapes and sizes.

See the few black squares ? That would be the Z. And I am being generous, meaning under the most favorable radar condition, as in calm sea. In combat, at night, and under medium sea, try one or two squares for the Z, if the radar is lucky.

Sucking up to China is not going to change the laws of physics or combat reality. The PLAN have no real combat experience since its creation. Neither does the Russian Navy since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Of land based artillery, one gun can fire two shells and have both land on the target at the same time. For any PLAN ship, the Z can fire four 155 mm shells and have them landed only milliseconds apart from each other and they will shock and awe the crew out of their chow mein. The Z can also launch radar decoys that WILL seduce the rest of the confused fleet, then disable another PLAN ship with another four shells. All the while the PLAN admiral was still trying to get his pecker in his drawers. Then the Z will just simply slip away into the night, leaving PLAN sailors wondering if this was how the Iraqi Navy felt.

You know you should be a stand-up comedian as that was really funny story you just told.

 

[Mighty Caty]

Ship Sinks, that's what ship's would do, it does not matter who make it, be that American, Britain or Chinese. This is principle of physics that ship can float, it's also the same physics so that ship can sink.

A well placed hit would indeed sink the USS Zumwalt, that is not a question, but a fact, but how hard it is to place a well place hit on Zumwalt? That is the question people should ask. The answer is, very, very hard indeed.

In the military, when we are talking about hiding radar or heat signature, the best thing is not for you to completely shield your radar/heat signature, it's far better to imitate radar/heat signature to something other than yourselves. You know why? The dead give away from hiding is the black spot where when you know there are something there. The black spot would stand quite out with the surrounding environment, and by completely shield your radar/head signature, you inadvertently be your dead give away as this is what we refer to as a "Abnormally"

USS Zumwalt emit a signature that assemble a fishing trawler, and how many fishing trawler are there? You have to look in to about 100 ships or so in the same vicinity and verify them one by one to see if there are a Zumwalt hiding amongst those fishing trawler. Now, I don't know how far technology has gone in China but I don't suppose they can visually inspect 50-100 ship to see if Zumwalt is among them in just a few second. And since it take time to inspect the ship one by one, unless you actually did see the Zumwalt, you can't possible send 100 missile to those 100 trawler and aim to destroy them all, Thus making this task impossible.

So, everyone knows a ship can be sunk with a well place strike, how do you strike that ship is the million dollars question here. Of course if you actually did see the zumwalt, even a 1970 era UK Type 21 frigate have the chance to sink it. But ask yourselves 2 questions. How are you going to find it in the first place, and how do you prevent zumwalt to fire at you first before you find it??

 

[gambit]

You know you should be a stand-up comedian as that was really funny story you just told.

When I speculate, it is based from personal experience in radar technology, in and out of the military.

The black squares represents the Z. The white squares represents the rest of the world's ships. That is my speculation on how radars sees ships.

Nevertheless, when I speculate, it is deserving of ridicule from the Chinese camp and their suck-ups. But when the Chinese masturbate with their 'thermonuclear' fantasies, the suck-ups rushes to laud those fanciful tales and gratefully 'Thank' the Chinese poster for such a 'useful' post. Never mind the fact that not one of the Chinese and their suck-ups ever worked in related industry, let alone have any military experience at all.

 

[UKBengali]

When I speculate, it is based from personal experience in radar technology, in and out of the military.

The black squares represents the Z. The white squares represents the rest of the world's ships. That is my speculation on how radars sees ships.

Nevertheless, when I speculate, it is deserving of ridicule from the Chinese camp and their suck-ups. But when the Chinese masturbate with their 'thermonuclear' fantasies, the suck-ups rushes to laud those fanciful tales and gratefully 'Thank' the Chinese poster for such a 'useful' post. Never mind the fact that not one of the Chinese and their suck-ups ever worked in related industry, let alone have any military experience at all.

True you have more military knowledge and experience than most here.

Your problem is that when it comes to China, your animosity towards them clouds your view.

 

[sincity]

Technology are out there for all nation to learn and improve upon, how one nations abilitry to induct next generation of military hardware depend on the amount of money, manpower, and the government support R&D in military equipment. Today US induct stealth ship, 5 yrs from now China and Russia will induct their own stealth ship. US first nation possessed nukes but now even N.K had nuke.

 

[gambit]

USS Zumwalt emit a signature that assemble a fishing trawler, and how many fishing trawler are there? You have to look in to about 100 ships or so in the same vicinity and verify them one by one to see if there are a Zumwalt hiding amongst those fishing trawler. Now, I don't know how far technology has gone in China but I don't suppose they can visually inspect 50-100 ship to see if Zumwalt is among them in just a few second. And since it take time to inspect the ship one by one, unless you actually did see the Zumwalt, you can't possible send 100 missile to those 100 trawler and aim to destroy them all, Thus making this task impossible.

So, everyone knows a ship can be sunk with a well place strike, how do you strike that ship is the million dollars question here. Of course if you actually did see the zumwalt, even a 1970 era UK Type 21 frigate have the chance to sink it. But ask yourselves 2 questions. How are you going to find it in the first place, and how do you prevent zumwalt to fire at you first before you find it??

For the highlighted...

When the Z is speculated to have a radar reflectivity of a much smaller ship, like a fishing trawler, it is only for visual reference. No one should take it any more than that. In real life, a radar reflection of an aircraft carrier can be as small as a fishing trawler but that depends on -- DISTANCE.

So for the 'fishing trawler' analogy, the requirement would have both ships to be at the same distance from the testing radar, measured, and the data analyzed. The result is that 'fishing trawler' comparison.

In combat, that is not going to happen. Ships do not array themselves in neat formations readied for the photographer or a seeking radar. They are going to be at different distances from the radar's perspective. So if the operator sees two targets at 50 km, one large and one small, it depends on training and experience but the smaller target could be a large ship whose radar reflections are being affected by various interference, especially if the seeking radar is at ground level, like how most ship's radars are at. Or the smaller target could be a real civilian ship. Or the smaller target could a Zumwalt-class ship. Or the smaller target could be an atmospheric anomaly.

This is what 'stealth' threatens: conventional wisdom. The 'conventional wisdom' here came from decades of personal experiences of radar operators around the world. Be it in air combat or sea combat. This 'conventional wisdom' is documented in various text books and training syllabuses: that this ship would have a radar reflectivity of A and that ship would have B and those ships would have C and so on and on...And in many warships' radar systems, this wisdom is hard coded into the hardware, removing the human factor in analyses.

Low radar reflectivity upsets the decades of ingrained mentality on how to fight an enemy fleet based upon radar information. The Zumwalt's gun system is alleged to be able to put multiple rounds inside a half-meter circle from over 50 km distance away. A single Zumwalt can therefore seriously delay the combat actions of an entire fleet by hitting various ships within a few minutes. No one here seen the destructiveness of a single 155 mm round. I have.

 

[ViXuyen]

Nothing beats the Visby in term of stealth. The Visby can't even be detected by radar within the Earth's curvature distant. Imagine an armada of 1000 fishing boats and 10 Visby; it'll be deadly.

 

[Superboy]

The US overstates the stealth of their units. Why were no F-22 sent to Poland to deter Russian annexation of Crimea and Sevastopol? Why were six F-15 sent instead? Clearly, F-22 has some sort of problem that prevented them from being deployed in real action. Zumwalt is claimed to have the RCS of a fishing boat. The key word is CLAIMED. No one knows really how big Zumwalt's RCS really is. Judging from the huge superstructure, in MY opinion, Zumwalt's RCS cannot be very small.

 

[boomslang]

Neither China nor Russia could have handled Iraq. But let us focus on China for now since there are plenty of suck-ups for China.....

The Chinese army couldn't even GET TO Iraq, let alone fight there. Just the logistics of getting the U.S. Army and all their gear to Iraq, in and of itself is a feat way above what Russia and China could hope to pull off.

 

[blackface]

Good ship but not much use against advanced militaries like Russia and China.

You're seriously deluded. Your hatred for the west is clouding your ability to reason.

 

[sincity]

The Chinese army couldn't even GET TO Iraq, let alone fight there. Just the logistics of getting the U.S. Army and all their gear to Iraq, in and of itself is a feat way above what Russia and China could hope to pull off.

You mean Chinese in the future don't have the capacity to transport their troop to fight a war in a far away land?

 

[satishkumarcsc]

I still think that 3 ships is a very small number.