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US losing patience with Pakistan, says Panetta

Panetta sounds like a INDIAN PUPPET...

Think that line was for indian media to get some brownie points and sell more c141 GLOBEMASTERS & C130 transports to them.
 
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Sharam tumko(americans) magar nahi aate

How many times we slapped you wid deniel to open nato supply, we independent state
 
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In a related statement, Chairman of Senate Committee on Defence and Defence Production, Mushahid Hussain, said Mr. Panetta's remarks and blaming Pakistan for the U.S. failure in Afghanistan was a reflection of “imperial arrogance as well as failure to accept responsibility for Washington's own mistakes''.

According to him, it was the Muslim world – at the centre of the war zone, be it in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan – which was losing patience with the U.S. as Washington's policies based on military might had destabilized the entire region. He regretted that instead of thanking Pakistan for its contributions and sacrifices, especially of its armed forces and people, U.S. policy makers were looking for scapegoats. “Such a short sighted approach would be a further hindrance in the normalization of Pakistan-American relations.''


The Hindu : News / International : Panetta's comments unhelpful: Islamabad

A very interesting point raised in this article by alleged Pakistani security officials, regarding the US claim that Afghan Taliban/Haqqanis have bases in FATA:

Pakistani national security officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, denied that Pakistan is aiding U.S. enemies. Two officials said if the U.S. has evidence that the Haqqanis maintain bases in Pakistan’s tribal areas, it should share that information so Pakistan can eliminate them.

The Pakistani officials said the U.S. hasn’t done so and hasn’t used its drones to destroy militant bases in Pakistan, undermining claims that Pakistan is actively sheltering insurgents.


If the insurgency in Afghanistan is truly being supported primarily through 'safe havens and bases' in Pakistan, then these 'bases' would have to be significant in size, and easily identified. Even if they were split up into smaller 'training camps' they would be identifiable, yet, how many times have we heard of a 'training camp of militants' being hit by a drone? It is typically a lone house or two where the alleged militants are hiding/residing.
 
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let history judge

it isn't Pakistan that is bombing countries on false grounds and arming rebel groups left right and center....

Pakistan ISN'T hiding the Haqannis ? The Taliban ? (both of whom are killing Afghanis) They DIDN'T hide Bin Laden ? How about Mumbai ?
 
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Pakistan ISN'T hiding the Haqannis ? The Taliban ? (both of whom are killing Afghanis) They DIDN'T hide Bin Laden ? How about Mumbai ?

No more than CIA were complicit in twin towers attack?? Osama was not funded by Americans?? Osama was not created by Americans to fight Russians??
 
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Admiral Mullen: Pakistani ISI sponsoring Haqqani attacks
By Thomas Joscelyn
September 22, 2011


During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing today, Admiral Michael Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, highlighted the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence Agency's role in sponsoring the Haqqani Network - including attacks on American forces in Afghanistan.

"The fact remains that the Quetta Shura [Taliban] and the Haqqani Network operate from Pakistan with impunity," Mullen said in his written testimony. "Extremist organizations serving as proxies of the government of Pakistan are attacking Afghan troops and civilians as well as US soldiers."

Mullen continued: "For example, we believe the Haqqani Network--which has long enjoyed the support and protection of the Pakistani government and is, in many ways, a strategic arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Agency--is responsible for the September 13th attacks against the U.S. Embassy in Kabul."

"There is ample evidence confirming that the Haqqanis were behind the June 28th attack against the Inter-Continental Hotel in Kabul and the September 10th truck bomb attack that killed five Afghans and injured another 96 individuals, 77 of whom were US soldiers," Mullen continued.

During his oral testimony, Mullen reportedly reiterated his concerns about the ISI's role in sponsoring Haqqani Network attacks.

"With ISI support, Haqqani operatives planned and conducted (a Sept. 10) truck bomb attack, as well as the assault on our embassy," Mullen said, according to Reuters. "We also have credible intelligence that they were behind the June 28 attack against the Inter-Continental Hotel in Kabul and a host of other smaller but effective operations."

The Sept. 13 attack on the US Embassy in Kabul was part of a lengthy siege on Western targets, including the NATO headquarters. The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attacks, which used both suicide bombers and rocket-propelled grenades. [See LWJ report, Taliban launch complex attack on US embassy in Kabul.]

Afghan officials previously released audio of intercepted conversations between the terrorists responsible for the June 28 attack on the Inter-Continental Hotel and their Haqqani handlers in Pakistan. In an intercepted phone call, Badruddin Haqqani, a top leader of the terror network, is heard directing one of the fighters and laughing during the attack that killed 11 civilians and two Afghan policemen, as well as nine members of the attack team. [See LWJ report, Haqqani Network directed Kabul assault by phone from Pakistan.]

The ISI's sponsorship of terrorist attacks inside Afghanistan and elsewhere has long been known to US intelligence officials.

For instance, according to a leaked State Department cable dated Dec. 5, 2008, a senior US intelligence official briefed NATO representatives on the ISI's dirty work. The ISI "provides intelligence and financial support to insurgent groups - especially the Jalaluddin Haqqani network out of Miram Shah, North Waziristan - to conduct attacks in Afghanistan against Afghan government, ISAF, and Indian targets," Dr. Peter Lavoy, who was then the National Intelligence Officer for South Asia, told his NATO counterparts.

Years later, Pakistan's duplicity in this long war is still a major problem. While recognizing that progress has been made in Afghanistan, Mullen cautioned that Pakistan's sponsorship of the insurgency may jeopardize the mission.

"History teaches us that it is difficult to defeat an insurgency when fighters enjoy a sanctuary outside national boundaries, and we are seeing this again today," Mullen said in his written testimony. "The actions by the Pakistani government to support
[the Quetta Shura Taliban and the Haqqani Network] --actively and passively--represent a growing problem that is undermining U.S. interests and may violate international norms, potentially warranting sanction."

Mullen continues: "In supporting these groups, the government of Pakistan, particularly the Pakistani Army, continues to jeopardize Pakistan's opportunity to be a respected and prosperous nation with genuine regional and international influence."

Mullen argues, however, that now is not the time "to disengage from Pakistan" but instead, 10 years after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, America should "reframe our relationship."


Read more: www dot longwarjournal dot org/archives/2011/09/admiral_mullen_pakis.php#ixzz1xEV53aL8


Admiral Mullen repeated the fact that Pakistan is hiding/aiding the Taliban and Haqqanis' again today, 6-8-2012
 
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Britain to mediate US-Pak standoff

Pakistan has strongly reacted to the latest statement by United States Secretary of State Leon Panetta that no matter Islamabad’s protests, the drone attacks on the tribal areas will continue. This shouldn’t come as surprise. If the painfully slow negotiations to repair US-Pakistan ties aren’t getting anywhere anytime soon, the main reason is the widespread indignation over the drone attacks in the public opinion, which the leadership in Islamabad cannot afford to ignore.

Of course, it was doubly inappropriate that Panetta made the statement from Indian soil. Equally, it is intriguing that Panetta made the much-publicised statement of the US “reaching the limits of our patience with Pakistan” in the course of a joint press conference in Kabul with Afghan defence minister Abdul Wardak.

The best explanation that can be given to Panetta’s outburst in Kabul is that he was probably deflecting attention away from the latest air strike by NATO on a wedding party in Logar province killing 18 civilians. But Panetta couldn’t have overlooked the shift in the regional context, which would make it almost impossible from now onward for Washington to ‘isolate’ Pakistan.

The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation’s intention to play a role in Afghanistan; SCO’s induction of Afghanistan as an observer (despite the US’ opposition to the idea); President Hamid Karzai’s visit to Beijing and the emerging Sino-Afghan strategic partnership; Chinese President Hu Jintao’s profound statement on Afghanistan (”We will continue to manage regional affairs by ourselves, guarding against shocks from turbulence outside the region, and will play a bigger role in Afghanistan’s peaceful reconstruction.”); strong push by Pakistan and India to seek SCO membership; warming up of Russia-Pakistan ties — all these are playing into the US’ predicament in Afghanistan and grating on the American nerve.

Simply put, Pakistan has gained much ’strategic depth’ vis-a-vis US. The fact that NATO exaggerated the worth of its recent agreements with the Central Asian states on transit routes exposes the criticality of the reopening of the routes via Pakistan. There is indeed no viable option at affordable cost for the NATO to evacuate its war materials from Afghanistan except via the Pakistani routes; and, the Pakistani side realises it.

The weekend visit by the US assistant secretary in the dept of defence Peter Levy, followed by the arrival of British Foreign Secretary William Hague in Islamabad next week, underscores the sense of urgency in wrapping up the negotiations on the transit routes so that the schedule of withdrawal of the NATO troops from Afghanistan can be finalized. The crunch time has come. Whether Hague could succeed where the US failed so far, is the big question.

Britain to mediate US-Pak standoff - Indian Punchline

Admiral Mullen: Pakistani ISI sponsoring Haqqani attacks
By Thomas Joscelyn
September 22, 2011


During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing today, Admiral Michael Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, highlighted the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence Agency's role in sponsoring the Haqqani Network - including attacks on American forces in Afghanistan.

"The fact remains that the Quetta Shura [Taliban] and the Haqqani Network operate from Pakistan with impunity," Mullen said in his written testimony. "Extremist organizations serving as proxies of the government of Pakistan are attacking Afghan troops and civilians as well as US soldiers."

Mullen continued: "For example, we believe the Haqqani Network--which has long enjoyed the support and protection of the Pakistani government and is, in many ways, a strategic arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Agency--is responsible for the September 13th attacks against the U.S. Embassy in Kabul."

"There is ample evidence confirming that the Haqqanis were behind the June 28th attack against the Inter-Continental Hotel in Kabul and the September 10th truck bomb attack that killed five Afghans and injured another 96 individuals, 77 of whom were US soldiers," Mullen continued.

During his oral testimony, Mullen reportedly reiterated his concerns about the ISI's role in sponsoring Haqqani Network attacks.

"With ISI support, Haqqani operatives planned and conducted (a Sept. 10) truck bomb attack, as well as the assault on our embassy," Mullen said, according to Reuters. "We also have credible intelligence that they were behind the June 28 attack against the Inter-Continental Hotel in Kabul and a host of other smaller but effective operations."

The Sept. 13 attack on the US Embassy in Kabul was part of a lengthy siege on Western targets, including the NATO headquarters. The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attacks, which used both suicide bombers and rocket-propelled grenades. [See LWJ report, Taliban launch complex attack on US embassy in Kabul.]

Afghan officials previously released audio of intercepted conversations between the terrorists responsible for the June 28 attack on the Inter-Continental Hotel and their Haqqani handlers in Pakistan. In an intercepted phone call, Badruddin Haqqani, a top leader of the terror network, is heard directing one of the fighters and laughing during the attack that killed 11 civilians and two Afghan policemen, as well as nine members of the attack team. [See LWJ report, Haqqani Network directed Kabul assault by phone from Pakistan.]

The ISI's sponsorship of terrorist attacks inside Afghanistan and elsewhere has long been known to US intelligence officials.

For instance, according to a leaked State Department cable dated Dec. 5, 2008, a senior US intelligence official briefed NATO representatives on the ISI's dirty work. The ISI "provides intelligence and financial support to insurgent groups - especially the Jalaluddin Haqqani network out of Miram Shah, North Waziristan - to conduct attacks in Afghanistan against Afghan government, ISAF, and Indian targets," Dr. Peter Lavoy, who was then the National Intelligence Officer for South Asia, told his NATO counterparts.

Years later, Pakistan's duplicity in this long war is still a major problem. While recognizing that progress has been made in Afghanistan, Mullen cautioned that Pakistan's sponsorship of the insurgency may jeopardize the mission.

"History teaches us that it is difficult to defeat an insurgency when fighters enjoy a sanctuary outside national boundaries, and we are seeing this again today," Mullen said in his written testimony. "The actions by the Pakistani government to support
[the Quetta Shura Taliban and the Haqqani Network] --actively and passively--represent a growing problem that is undermining U.S. interests and may violate international norms, potentially warranting sanction."

Mullen continues: "In supporting these groups, the government of Pakistan, particularly the Pakistani Army, continues to jeopardize Pakistan's opportunity to be a respected and prosperous nation with genuine regional and international influence."

Mullen argues, however, that now is not the time "to disengage from Pakistan" but instead, 10 years after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, America should "reframe our relationship."


Read more: www dot longwarjournal dot org/archives/2011/09/admiral_mullen_pakis.php#ixzz1xEV53aL8


Admiral Mullen repeated the fact that Pakistan is hiding/aiding the Taliban and Haqqanis' again today, 6-8-2012
Its nothing but a speculative, blame-shifting allegation by an outgoing JCOS - offering excused to cover up the military failures in Afghanistan on his watch. Where is the evidence supporting his claim? These allegations have been repeated ad nauseum over the years, and yet not one iota of credible supporting evidence has been provided.
 
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No more than CIA were complicit in twin towers attack?? BALONY ! NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE HAS YET TO BE PRESENTED. EVERY HAIR-BRAINED CONSPIRACY THEORY HAS BEEN DEBUNKED AD-NAUSEUM. WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO AND HOW 9/11 WENT DOWN.

Osama was not funded by Americans?? YEAH, 30 YEARS AGO, ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS FIGHTING THE SOVIETS.

Osama was not created by Americans to fight Russians??
CREATED ? I THINK HIS MOM AND DAD DID THAT.

...Its nothing but a speculative, blame-shifting allegation by an outgoing JCOS - offering excused to cover up the military failures in Afghanistan on his watch. Where is the evidence supporting his claim? These allegations have been repeated ad nauseum over the years, and yet not one iota of credible supporting evidence has been provided.



So WHO are the guys hanging out up there in the territories that the Pakistani Army aren't allowed into ? Boy Scouts ? How come, from half a world away, the U.S. can find, and kill, PLENTY of wanted terrorists up there but the Pakistanis' don't have a clue as to what is going on up there ? Why is there a place in your country where the Army ISN'T ALLOWED TO GO, ANYWAY ? WTF IS UP with that ?
 
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the fact that he makes these empty threats to his tail-wagging indian audience wont bode well in Islamabad

he's an italian by origin and likely retained that mediterranean emotionalism.....

DG-ISI Lt. Gen. Zaheerul Islam's Pakhtun predecessor seems to have told off Panetta to his face at his own office in Arlington, Virginia....and hence, the grudge.
 
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Major al-Qaida leaders killed in US drone strikes

Published June 05, 2012

Associated Press

Major al-Qaida leaders killed in U.S. drone strikes over the last year:

— June 4, 2012: Al-Qaida second in command Abu Yahya al-Libi is killed in a drone strike in the Pakistani village of Khassu Khel in the North Waziristan tribal area, according to the White House. Al-Libi was considered a charismatic, media-savvy leader who helped preside over the transformation of al-Qaida into a terror movement aimed at winning converts around the world.

— Feb. 9, 2012: Al-Qaida commander Badr Mansoor is killed in a drone strike in Miran Shah, the main town in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal area. He was believed to be behind many of the suicide attacks that killed scores of Pakistani civilians in recent years. Mansoor was from Pakistan's largest province, Punjab, and moved to North Waziristan in 2008, where he led a faction of more than 200 fighters.


— Sept. 11, 2011: Al-Qaida's chief of operations in Pakistan, Abu Hafs al-Shahri, is killed in a drone strike in Pakistan's tribal region. Al-Shahri worked closely with the Pakistani Taliban to carry out attacks inside Pakistan.

— Aug. 22, 2011: Al-Qaida's second in command, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, is killed in a drone strike in Machi Khel village in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal area. A Libyan national, al-Rahman never had the worldwide name recognition of Osama bin Laden or bin Laden's successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri, but al-Rahman was regarded as an instrumental figure in the terrorist organization, trusted by bin Laden to oversee al-Qaida's daily operations.

— June 3, 2011: Al-Qaida's military operations chief in Pakistan, Ilyas Kashmiri, is believed to have been killed in a drone strike close to the town of Wana in Pakistan's South Waziristan tribal area. He was one of five most-wanted militant leaders in the country, accused of a string of bloody attacks in Pakistan and India as well as aiding plots in the West.

I could go ON AND ON, BUT...... WHAT WERE ALL THESE GUYS DOING IN PAKISTAN ? CAMPING ? HIKING TRIP ? PHOTO SAFARI ? And NO ONE KNEW A THING ?


he's an italian by origin and likely retained that mediterranean emotionalism.....

Nothing like a bit of RACISM.


DG-ISI Lt. Gen. Zaheerul Islam's Pakhtun predecessor seems to have told off Panetta to his face at his own office in Arlington, Virginia....and hence, the grudge.

Yeah, the stuff I posted above has NOTHING TO DO with it all.
 
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I could go ON AND ON, BUT...... WHAT WERE ALL THESE GUYS DOING IN PAKISTAN ? CAMPING ? HIKING TRIP ? PHOTO SAFARI ?[/COLOR]

What were those Saudis who trained in American flying schools and then boarded flights in the US and crashed the planes into the twin towers doing?? I could go on but it would be in bad taste
 
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list also chronologically the suspects that were captured by Pakistani agents/law enforcement and handed over to the Americans without even checks and balances...they were simply handed over


i dare you to muster some courage (if any within you) to name even one of the Pakistani police/rangers that were injured in the line of duty, during firefights that erupted prior to the capture of suspects like KSM (one of many whom we handed over and are now in your custody)

do that, and then open your beak.
 
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What were those Saudis who trained in American flying schools and then boarded flights in the US and crashed the planes into the twin towers doing?? I could go on but it would be in bad taste

The DIFFERENCE between Pakistan and the U.S. is that we would have KILLED THOSE GUYS if we caught them, not HID THEM AND LIED LIKE.... well, IT WOULD BE IN BAD TASTE...
 
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the fact that he makes these empty threats to his tail-wagging indian audience wont bode well in Islamabad

he's an italian by origin and likely retained that mediterranean emotionalism.....

DG-ISI Lt. Gen. Zaheerul Islam's Pakhtun predecessor seems to have told off Panetta to his face at his own office in Arlington, Virginia....and hence, the grudge.

How stupid they need our help and they think they will get it by threatening us lol
 
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What were those Saudis who trained in American flying schools and then boarded flights in the US and crashed the planes into the twin towers doing?? I could go on but it would be in bad taste

exactly


oh and contrary to what the Americans would think, you'd be hard pressed to find Pakistani masses either

a.) celebrating 9/11

b.) mourning the loss of this guy known as OBL
 
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