US Defense Secretary Panetta threatens ground intervention into Pakistan

[swathi]

So how many of your troops have been shredded so far in Afghanistan, Troopie? And this opinion of yours is coming from someone whose Army's idea of war is playing simulators in an air-conditioned environment in June!! If the state-of-the-art equipped NATO/US forces in Afghanistan have been unable to control over the last 12 years the sandle-wearing, turban-clad, AK-47 yielding simpleton warriors of Afghanistan, can you imagine what would happen if your country's grunts come whistling dixie into a population of 150 million people (most of them armed)? Learn the art of war first and then try to post opinions hookie!!!

There is a difference between conventional warfare and Counter Insurgency Warfare, United States has won every conventional war it has fought, Unlike pakistan which lost all the 2 conventional wars and 2 limited wars (Siachien, Kargil).

 

[alimobin memon]

There is a difference between conventional warfare and Counter Insurgency Warfare, United States has won every conventional war it has fought, Unlike pakistan which lost all the 2 conventional wars and 2 limited wars (Siachien, Kargil).

Afghanistan and iraq war was never won , these both countries didn't have erserves to fight for 6 days , it was like 30 years old man against 2 year old baby. vietnam got ur arse kicked... 1971 war was the only we lost kargil was skirmish which actually never started it ended before its beginning , still in kargil war we were managed
Taken from source Military book.
Indian Official Figures:
527 killed
1,363 wounded
1 POW
1 fighter jet shot down
1 fighter jet crashed
1 helicopter shot down

in 65 war both india and pak had success and failures. unlike you loosing more than 700 fighters against vietnamese .
in World War 2 USA's ***** were kicked especially in pacific region, Throwing an atom bomb on civilians is not way to win. Japanese were strong there navy kicked American ***

 

[swathi]

Afghanistan and iraq war was never won , these both countries didn't have erserves to fight for 6 days , it was like 30 years old man against 2 year old baby. vietnam got ur arse kicked... 1971 war was the only we lost kargil was skirmish which actually never started it ended before its beginning , still in kargil war we were managed
Taken from source Military book.
Indian Official Figures:
527 killed
1,363 wounded
1 POW
1 fighter jet shot down
1 fighter jet crashed
1 helicopter shot down

in 65 war both india and pak had success and failures. unlike you loosing more than 700 fighters against vietnamese .
in World War 2 USA's ***** were kicked especially in pacific region, Throwing an atom bomb on civilians is not way to win. Japanese were strong there navy kicked American ***

Iraq war had mixed sucess, Further US sucessfully fought a conventional form of war against Iraq, Saddam hussain was defeated, US defeated iraq army, US army losses were due to Insurgency warfare in Iraq. In Afghanistan also intially we were sucessful in throwing taliban government out of power using airstrikes alone, In Afghanistan also US is suffering loss because of insurgency.

When comming to kargil, How many soldiers did pakistan lost? only one jet was shot down that was a Mig-21,Mi-17 helicopter was lost. Another Jet Mig-27 was lost due to engine failiure, TTP is kicking you nicely in orakzai,kurram and khyber, Your army has suffered more casualties than United States against Taliban. Please refer Operation Downfall, We used atom bombs that made Japan Surrender.

 

[Developereo]

Sir,

Although what you are saying exactly depicts most of common Indian folks (fanboys included), rest assured policy makers in New
Delhi have larger foresight than often credited. With US actually sending armed intervention will be a nightmare fore any future growth or India Regional Stakes. We already have China on one side, Getting US bases on the other would be disastrous for us.
I hope what you are suggesting never happens but, If India does stand against US here, It will be a historic gesture and might bring about a change which has been long overdue.

Actually, all that would suit India just fine. Destruction of Pakistan's military capability and even American bases all suit India's interests. India has no problems with US bases in Afghanistan, and it wouldn't care about them in Pakistan. In fact, it would be a red carpet for India all the way into the CARs.

 

[angeldust]

Actually, all that would suit India just fine. Destruction of Pakistan's military capability and even American bases all suit India's interests. India has no problems with US bases in Afghanistan, and it wouldn't care about them in Pakistan. In fact, it would be a red carpet for India all the way into the CARs.

You do not understand the Indian mind at all. Especialy when it comes to the US.

 

[Developereo]

You do not understand the Indian mind at all. Especialy when it comes to the US.

I know India doesn't trust the US, but that doesn't matter as long as US actions suit India's national interests. Better to take today's serendipity and worry about crossing other bridges when you get to them.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Actually, all that would suit India just fine. Destruction of Pakistan's military capability and even American bases all suit India's interests. India has no problems with US bases in Afghanistan, and it wouldn't care about them in Pakistan. In fact, it would be a red carpet for India all the way into the CARs.

You missed the part: As long as Afghanistan is unstable.

 

[angeldust]

I know India doesn't trust the US, but that doesn't matter as long as US actions suit India's national interests. Better to take today's serendipity and worry about crossing other bridges when you get to them.

India would never do anything short term. India would never make a move that gives the US a foothold in the region, forget about her own soil or waters.

 

[Developereo]

You missed the part: As long as Afghanistan is unstable.

India doesn't care whether Afghanistan is stable or not, as long as Indian interests are met. US presence favors Indian interests. US withdrawal would bring in all sort of regional players who would complicate the setup.

India would never do anything short term. India would never make a move that gives the US a foothold in the region, forget about her own soil or waters.

It's not a question of India doing anything. The only one doing anything here is the US. Everyone else is just reacting.

 

[angeldust]

It's not a question of India doing anything. The only one doing anything here is the US. Everyone else is just reacting.

You can do a lot by not doing anything.

Ask the Americans who have been trying to get us militarily involved in Afghanistan for years now.

And grumbling about us riding piggyback on their presence, when we were less than forthcoming.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

India doesn't care whether Afghanistan is stable or not, as long as Indian interests are met . US presence favors Indian interests. US withdrawal would bring in all sort of regional players who would complicate the setup.

The bolded part is contradictory , since one of the Indian objectives in Afghanistan is stability.

Even if presence of regional players who would complicate the setup, the end decision will be that of the Afghans.

 

[Haseebullah]

HAHAHAHAHA !! Yeah, right. Computer courage !!

Wait let me get my Colt Columbus out which says"US Property" on it!

 

[Developereo]

You can do a lot by not doing anything.

Ask the Americans who have been trying to get us militarily involved in Afghanistan for years now.

And grumbling about us riding piggyback on their presence, when we were less than forthcoming.

That's my point. Why should India do anything when the US is doing the needful anyway for its own interests? The fact that Indian interests happen to coincide with US interests is India's bonanza.

The bolded part is contradictory , since one of the Indian objectives in Afghanistan is stability.

India's stated objectives.

The current situation in Afghanistan suits India just fine. As long as NATO and the NA rule Afghanistan, anti-Pakistan, pro-India feeling runs high. How much Chinese, Turkish, or Russian competition do Indian companies have in Afghanistan?

Even if presence of regional players who would complicate the setup, the end decision will be that of the Afghans.

Given the deep divisions within Afghan society, that country is ripe for manipulation by all sorts of foreign entities.

 

[Ark-Angel]

India doesn't care whether Afghanistan is stable or not, as long as Indian interests are met. US presence favors Indian interests. US withdrawal would bring in all sort of regional players who would complicate the setup.



It's not a question of India doing anything. The only one doing anything here is the US. Everyone else is just reacting.

Without stable Afghanistan, you can't have stable South Asia, and in turn, stable India. Just for the sake of argument, US attack and "seizes" or "captures" (conquer isn't the right word) Pakistan, what will India get? Trust me India will turn into FATA - especially bordering provinces - not to forget the freedom movement of Sikhs.

 

[swathi]

Pervez Musharraf says that Pakistan won.... so who do you think I'll trust? A hypocrite Nawaz or a General who has served in Pakistan Army for several decades?

Pervez Musharaff never said pakistan had won the battle, Pakistan was sucessful in bringing kashmir to International Attention, In that part pakistan has won, (In the line of fire, He describes how his army made india to struggle in the war, He has told that India was forced to launch brigade level assaults, Milk Additional Artillery from strike corps. He also revealed that India had deployed half of the Indian airforce in kashmir ( It is wrong, India had placed around 100-150 Fighter aircraft in kashmir).

What a beautiful rebuttal to his argument

we all know your a 40 year old Indian living in your mom's basement coming here for the sole purpose of trolling


America is playing a dangerous game.

40 Year never lives in mother basement B) See my earlier posts C) Your country had played dangerous games and getting nice dividends.