US believes Russian President Vladimir Putin has decided to invade Ukraine

[Viet]

Russia is a military power than an economic power. So yea it is not "worthless".

50 percent of Russia gov revenue comes from selling oil and gas. If Russia attacks a sovereign country do you think Germany will continue to finance Russia military spendings?
Germany is crazy they started two world wars but today they are not crazy enough.

 

[letsrock]

The way i see it - its really about Russia getting the respect it deserves for all the sacrifices it made in world war 2 (the anti-fascist war). Russia or Soviets defeated 80% of nazi scum army and the modern world with its universal human rights/ UN/ mobility etc came on a lot of soviet blood/muscle and sacrifice.

Russian ancestors fought and win the war so that they can never be bullied by "west" which had a tendency to develop a racialized hate against russia and launch numerous invasions against it (though eventually they were repelled). But when bordering states of russia are sucked in nato orbit - this upsets russia - almost as if all of the sacrifices they made have gone or gouing to waste.

 

[Apollon]

The way i see it - its really about Russia getting the respect it deserves for all the sacrifices it made in world war 2 (the anti-fascist war). Russia or Soviets defeated 80% of nazi scum army and the modern world with its universal human rights/ UN/ mobility etc came on a lot of soviet blood/muscle and sacrifice.

Russian ancestors fought and win the war so that they can never be bullied by "west" which had a tendency to develop a racialized hate against russia and launch numerous invasions against it (though eventually they were repelled). But when bordering states of russia are sucked in nato orbit - this upsets russia - almost as if all of the sacrifices they made have gone or gouing to waste.

Russians were facist themself and committed unspeakable crimes.

Nobody was sucked into NATO, those countries want to be secure from russian agression.

There live 200.000 Greeks in Ukraine around Mariupol and we have discuss now evacuations. Russians have the tenedency to comitt extreme war crimes and even rape little girls and old women.

So what we have now is, that Europe must do evrything in its power to cull this repressive regime back.

 

[letsrock]

Russians were facist themself and committed unspeakable crimes.

Nobody was sucked into NATO, those countries want to be secure from russian agression.

There live 200.000 Greeks in Ukraine around Mariupol and we have discuss now evacuations. Russians have the tenedency to comitt extreme war crimes and even rape little girls and old women.

So what we have now is, that Europe must do evrything in its power to cull this repressive regime back.

Yea right - allegations are cheap. There is UN if they have problems with Russia - why NATO? putting weapons right next to russia.
Nobody commited more war crimes than europeans - try talking about "tendency" there.

 

[Apollon]

Yea right - allegations are cheap. There is UN if they have problems with Russia - why NATO? putting weapons right next to russia.
Nobody commited more war crimes than europeans - try talking about "tendency" there.

UN did not free Poland or the Baltics from USSR opression. UN watched decades as Russians raped and murdered, poles, estonians and czech. NATO gives security and the 100% guarantee that those nations stay free. Only other alternative would be that evry sinhle eastern european country arms itself nuclear to deter russian agression.

Your last sentence is simply your hate against Europe and irrelevant.

Its that simple, the moment NATO would cease to exist would be the moment where the baltics, poland, czech republic, hungary, greece, romania and bulgaria go nuclear.

 

[letsrock]

UN did not free Poland or the Baltics from USSR opression. UN watched decades as Russians raped and murdered, poles, estonians and czech. NATO gives security and the 100% guarantee that those nations stay free. Only other alternative would be that evry sinhle eastern european country arms itself nuclear to deter russian agression.

Your last sentence is simply your hate against Europe and irrelevant.

Its that simple, the moment NATO would cease to exist would be the moment where the baltics, poland, czech republic, hungary, greece, romania and bulgaria go nuclear.

Dude poles/estonians and czech simply walked out of soviet union. They did not even need to take up arms. Not sure what you are blabbering about.

I dont have any hate against europe but i know a fascist when i see one. Europe also made many stellar contributions against fascism.

 

[Apollon]

Dude poles/estonians and czech simply walked out of soviet union. They did not even need to take up arms. Not sure what you are blabbering about.

I dont have any hate against europe but i know a fascist when i see one. Europe also made many stellar contributions against fascism.

You show your lack of historic knowledge. The USSR murdered thousands there. Ever heared about the Prague uprising? The countless crimes, massacres committed there? The USSR collapsed because NATO simply crushed them economicly.

As i said, each eastern european country would need nuclear weapons to secure itself against Russia without NATO. The way it is now is better.

 

[letsrock]

You show your lack of historic knowledge. The USSR murdered thousands there. Ever heared about the Prague uprising? The countless crimes, massacres committed there? The USSR collapsed because NATO simply crushed them economicly.

As i said, each eastern european country would need nuclear weapons to secure itself against Russia without NATO. The way it is now is better.

These countries became part of USSR because the western fascism in the form of nazis looted/pillaged/raped through them. USSR had economic problems and dissolved itself in a very civilized manner without any wars.

When you say nato "crushed" them it is clear who is the aggressor here and who want to humiliate russia further by "crushing" them more.

 

[Apollon]

These countries became part of USSR because the western fascism in the form of nazis looted/pillaged/raped through them. USSR had economic problems and dissolved itself in a very civilized manner without any wars.

When you say nato "crushed" them it is clear who is the aggressor here and who want to humiliate russia further by "crushing" them more.

Oh now it was the wests fault that the russians raped and murdered their way through eastern europe till 1989.

Glad you agree though that the only alternative for NATO would be that evry eastern and balkan country goes nuclear to secure itself. Without NATO those countries would need to arm themself to counter russia.

 

[letsrock]

Oh now it was the wests fault that the russians raped and murdered their way through eastern europe till 1989.

Glad you agree though that the only alternative for NATO would be that evry eastern and balkan country goes nuclear to secure itself. Without NATO those countries would need to arm themself to counter russia.

They didnt. You are hyping up nonsense.

Your argument that without nato russia would occupy all these countries is bunkum. Especially given the fact that USSR voluntarily dissolved. its acutally a stellar example of a nation dissolving itself without a single shot fired anywhere.

 

[Apollon]

They didnt. You are hyping up nonsense.

Your argument that without nato russia would occupy all these countries is bunkum. Especially given the fact that USSR voluntarily dissolved. its acutally a stellar example of a nation dissolving itself without a single shot fired anywhere.

I dont discuss history with an american. You have none.

Prague Spring - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

When USSR invaded Czechslovakia in 1968, they murdered thousands. When people in eastern germany did stand up in the 50th, also thousands were murdered.

In Poland same.

Its estimated Greece alone would need 50 nuclear bombs to regain same security that it has now with NATO

 

[letsrock]

I dont discuss history with an american. You have none.

Prague Spring - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

When USSR invaded Czechslovakia in 1968, they murdered thousands. When people in eastern germany did stand up in the 50th, also thousands were murdered.

In Poland same.

Its estimated Greece alone would need 50 nuclear bombs to regain same security that it has now with NATO

wars always happened in Europe. How many have english and germans killed among themselves till 1945 ? it is in millions. Millions died in that meaningless trench warfare in first world war itself. Does it mean belgium needs nukes against germany now ?
You are basically a nazi lite guy. Its obvious from your writings.

 

[mhosein]

Russians were facist themself and committed unspeakable crimes.

Nobody was sucked into NATO, those countries want to be secure from russian agression.

There live 200.000 Greeks in Ukraine around Mariupol and we have discuss now evacuations. Russians have the tenedency to comitt extreme war crimes and even rape little girls and old women.

So what we have now is, that Europe must do evrything in its power to cull this repressive regime back.

Where is your evidence of these so called unspeakable crimes that Russia has committed against other nations? Please do enlighten us?

 

[zectech]

UN did not free Poland or the Baltics from USSR opression. UN watched decades as Russians raped and murdered, poles, estonians and czech. NATO gives security and the 100% guarantee that those nations stay free. Only other alternative would be that evry sinhle eastern european country arms itself nuclear to deter russian agression.

Your last sentence is simply your hate against Europe and irrelevant.

Its that simple, the moment NATO would cease to exist would be the moment where the baltics, poland, czech republic, hungary, greece, romania and bulgaria go nuclear.

Read:

Ukraine Gave Up A Giant Nuclear Arsenal 30 Years Ago. Today There Are Regrets. - WorldNewsEra

At the end of the Cold War, the third largest nuclear power on earth was not Britain, France or China. It was Ukraine. The Soviet collapse, a slow-motion

worldnewsera.com

Ukraine Gave Up a Giant Nuclear Arsenal 30 Years Ago. Today There Are Regrets. (Published 2022)

When the Soviet Union collapsed, Ukraine turned over thousands of atomic weapons in exchange for security guarantees from Russia, the United States and other countries.

www.nytimes.com

Its estimated Greece alone would need 50 nuclear bombs to regain same security that it has now with NATO

Trump was planning to withdraw US from Nato and ditch South Korea alliance, according to new book​

Trump was planning to withdraw US from Nato and ditch South Korea alliance, according to new book

‘Yeah, the second term. We’ll do it in the second term,’ then-president reportedly said

news.yahoo.com

The whole get out of NATO, end NATO was not about libertarianism, isolationism, and peace... it was about the endless war machine ditching the EU and letting it fend for itself. It was more endless cia wars, with the exception of no endless wars to fight for a free Europe. To heck with the EU.

That is what putin and trump represent. Endless wars and invasions and exceptionalism with no security for former NATO allies. A return to jungle geo-politics, dog eat dog. Barbarian to the core.

50 percent of Russia gov revenue comes from selling oil and gas. If Russia attacks a sovereign country do you think Germany will continue to finance Russia military spendings?
Germany is crazy they started two world wars but today they are not crazy enough.

Because Germans didn't, listen to German history:

Read German history:

A Manufacturing War Between the UK and Germany in the 19th Century Set the Stage For Today's Trade Crisis - History Collection

Today, the word “globalism” is on everyone’s mind. Some fear a world increasingly dependent on foreign trade. Others worry about domestic industries dying due to overseas competition. Many are anxious about what a changing economy will mean for their material prospects. Do we allow free trade to...

historycollection.com

 

[Apollon]

wars always happened in Europe. How many have english and germans killed among themselves till 1945 ? it is in millions. Millions died in that meaningless trench warfare in first world war itself. Does it mean belgium needs nukes against germany now ?
You are basically a nazi lite guy. Its obvious from your writings.

Since NATO exists, no wars happened in europe. 70 years peace. Its good to keep it that way.

Greece now allows US troops to be stationed in northern Greece. It appears your bla bla has no base in reality .