***Upgradation of T-72 tanks begins in Jaisalmer***

[Omega007]

Like what? kindly explain.

Same goes for AZ vs t-72

In this case I have no way but to support you man.As I always say the downgraded T 90S is inferior to Al khalid in many terms.So in this case you are bang on target.
REGARDS....

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Arjun mk1 has stronger armor,gun and ammos than al khalid still arjun is inferior

Armour? yes arjun has...... Gun ? AK packs a 125MM while arjun has a 120mm.... Long rods? sure we have a whole bunch of ammo which are as effective as any other...... same goes for missiles.

.And al khalid is so manueverable,can it out manuever an atgm or can it outrun a FSAPDS round?I don't think so.You are making yourself a joke buddy

As if AK which doesnt have ATGMS and FSAPDS? doesnt a lighter,fast,agile,low profile and manueverable tank with decent armour (similiar to t-90) with counter measure,laser warning systems,jammers and an advanced APS have more chances to kill a fat,slow not so manueverable tank?

U easily for the Laser warning systems,Jammers,APS and other systems on AK!Also i regret to tell u tht GIDS has introduced a new armour package for AK on the new AK-I upgraded AK! So dont think tht AKs armour is weak.

In this case I have no way but to support you man.As I always say the downgraded T 90S is inferior to Al khalid in many terms.So in this case you are bang on target.
REGARDS....

Bhisma is nothing more thn a modifed T-90S... again without APS etc

 

[kaku1]

Man,stop complaining.
Howmany times I have to say that there will be no tank war in kashmir because it simply does not support it.Large number of Sarvatra bridge(carrying capacity of 70 ton) and Arjun specific rail carriages have been inducted.So movement is not a problem anymore.Do some research before posting.
And yeah,only leo 2A6 variant has negligible lower ground pressure than Arjun.

You are saying Sarvatra bridge can solve this problem. I think you not know about this terrain. And I am not talking about of only Kashmir, I am taking whole LAC and LOC. We cannot airlift them, we cannot transport them well. So, what is the need of high number of these tanks.

 

[Jon Snow]

He is right John.In a war with Pakistan T 90s will not gonna face RPGs but deadly ATGMs like Kombats,refleks and moreover DU rounds.Even if they survive the atgms they will definately not survive DU hits.You need to know that russians still believe in quantity over quality.
REGARDS....

Hardly any tank survives DU hits ...... Russians have said that the t 90 is the best protected tank in russia- india has modified it to be even better
instead of the kontakt 5 era, we have the kaktus era - instead of the shtora ( the modified version of which is used in the ak ) we have the much better LEDS 150 by saab and the t 90 is battle tested.
dont underestimate this beauty

 

[Jon Snow]

the bhishma does have aps - the LEDS 150 by saab.

 

[Omega007]

Bhisma is nothing more thn a modifed T-90S... again without APS etc[/QUOTE]

So what is your point?Did not I agree with you.By the way,Bhisma is not a modified T 90S,Bhisma is the tin can T 90S itself..
REGARDS....

 

[kaku1]

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[kaku1]

Armour? yes arjun has...... Gun ? AK packs a 125MM while arjun has a 120mm.... Long rods? sure we have a whole bunch of ammo which are as effective as any other...... same goes for missiles.



As if AK which doesnt have ATGMS and FSAPDS? doesnt a lighter,fast,agile,low profile and manueverable tank with decent armour (similiar to t-90) with counter measure,laser warning systems,jammers and an advanced APS have more chances to kill a fat,slow not so manueverable tank?

U easily for the Laser warning systems,Jammers,APS and other systems on AK!Also i regret to tell u tht GIDS has introduced a new armour package for AK on the new AK-I upgraded AK! So dont think tht AKs armour is weak.




Bhisma is nothing more thn a modifed T-90S... again without APS etc

Why you comparing AK tanks with Arjun? They are made for doing different role for their nation. These tanks are good at their place. But if you want to compare then I tell you that Arjun is far far better, oh i need to say that their is no comparision with them.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hardly any tank survives DU hits ...... Russians have said that the t 90 is the best protected tank in russia- india has modified it to be even better
instead of the kontakt 5 era, we have the kaktus era - instead of the shtora ( the modified version of which is used in the ak ) we have the much better LEDS 150 by saab and the t 90 is battle tested.
dont underestimate this beauty

Mistake...... We have an HIT upgraded VARTA-1 with a HIT RAHBAR on AK.

Also kindly post a link.

 

[Jon Snow]

Bhisma is nothing more thn a modifed T-90S... again without APS etc

So what is your point?Did not I agree with you.By the way,Bhisma is not a modified T 90S,Bhisma is the tin can T 90S itself..
REGARDS....[/QUOTE]
Bhsihma is the t 90M not t 90S

 

[Jon Snow]

Mistake...... We have an HIT upgraded VARTA-1 with a HIT RAHBAR on AK.

Also kindly post a link.

VARTA 1 is the copy of the shtora 1( which we rejected and opened a tender and chose the LEDS 150)
T-90 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thats for the LEDS 150

 

[Jon Snow]

My bad, the t 90 can survive a DU round - infact even an upgraded t 72 can survive it easily

The effectiveness of Kontakt-5 ERA was confirmed by tests run by the German Bundeswehr and the US Army. The Germans tested the K-5, mounted on older T-72 tanks, and in the US, IDR's Pentagon correspondent Leland Ness confirmed that "when fitted to T-72 tanks, the 'heavy' ERA made them immune to the depleted uranium penetrators of M829 APFSDS, fired by the 120 mm guns of the US M1 Abrams tanks, which were among the most formidable tank gun projectiles at the time."

Kontakt-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Omega007]

Hardly any tank survives DU hits ...... Russians have said that the t 90 is the best protected tank in russia- india has modified it to be even better
instead of the kontakt 5 era, we have the kaktus era - instead of the shtora ( the modified version of which is used in the ak ) we have the much better LEDS 150 by saab and the t 90 is battle tested.
dont underestimate this beauty

Wrong,completely wrong.If you knew about the final version of Kanchan armor that came in early 2006 you would not have said that nothing can survive a DU hit.Besides here we are talking about Naiza DU rounds,not the 120 mm DU rounds that is fired from Rheinmetal L55 smoothbore guns which is the strongest anti tank gun currently in service.
The earlier T 90S are fitted with Kontact 5 ERA.I agree the Kaktus will save the tanks from fue hits but they are use and throw and each hit will leave more and more sections unprotected.And in a fullscale armored assault tanks not gonna be hited one or two times for sure.Besides a t 90 can never match the home made Arjun.
REGARDS....

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

VARTA 1 is the copy of the shtora 1( which we rejected and opened a tender and chose the LEDS 150)
T-90 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thats for the LEDS 150

My frnd VARTA was based on russian shtora-1 by ukranians and was never pitched in the indian tender............. while VARTA-1 is a modified VARTA by ukranian and on AK ....It is coupled with HIT RAHBAR making it far more deadlier & lethal as an APS.


Also wiki is not a reliable source.

 

[Jon Snow]

Wrong,completely wrong.If you knew about the final version of Kanchan armor that came in early 2006 you would not have said that nothing can survive a DU hit.Besides here we are talking about Naiza DU rounds,not the 120 mm DU rounds that is fired from Rheinmetal L55 smoothbore guns which is the strongest anti tank gun currently in service.
The earlier T 90S are fitted with Kontact 5 ERA.I agree the Kaktus will save the tanks from fue hits but they are use and throw and each hit will leave more and more sections unprotected.And in a fullscale armored assault tanks not gonna be hited one or two times for sure.Besides a t 90 can never match the home made Arjun.
REGARDS....

am not comparing the t 90 to arjun but to the ak - and how many du rounds are gonna hit the indian tanks??? remember the pakistanis will be outnumbered