[Updated May 2023] Israel Strikes Gaza Again

[HGV]

And I repeat,do you understand what I'm saying? Is my english not good enough for you?

What have I been saying about the settlements,on this thread again and again?

I think you are not understanding what I am saying. You can have your lovely dreams and fantasies about illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian West Bank having to be removed, and in theory of course, these are illegal Jewish settlements on occupied Palestinian land, but in practical terms it is not as simple as demanding that the Zionist settlers dismantle their illegal settlements and then everyone can live in harmony and peace. The illegal Jewish settlements are too extensive and embedded throughout the occupied Palestinian West Bank for that to be feasible.

Not to mention that no Zionist leader would even agree to that since they are totally committed to the ethnic cleansing and (incremental) annexation of the occupied Palestinian West Bank, there are not 1 million Jewish settlers living in the occupied West Bank by accident. Any Zionist leader that even seriously considers the idea of removing illegal Jewish settlements from the occupied West Bank will almost certainly be assassinated by extremist Jewish settlers, like Rabin was (and back then the Zionist society was much less extremist than it is today).

Removing 8,000 Jewish settlers from 21 illegal settlements in occupied Gaza was very expensive and difficult for the Zionist regime, and most of those settlers went on to re-settle and steal land in the occupied Palestinian West Bank or the occupied Syrian Golan Heights. It's a very different proposition to removing 1 million illegal Jewish settlers from hundreds of settlements across the occupied Palestinian West Bank. They have a convicted terrorist in their regime who would sooner blow up Al-Asqa Mosque than remove a single settler from the occupied West Bank.

So it is not as simple as demanding that the occupying Zionist settlers remove their illegal settlements and then living side by side in beautiful two state peace. Not even to mention the other redline issues that the settler-colonial regime has never indicated a willingness to compromise on.

 

[hussain0216]

And alright,then you say no negotiations,no peaceful solution. Only war until the complete liberation of the entire Holy Land.

Then don't complain about the death toll and suffering of the Palestinians. Because in 50 years,there's been nothing but heavy casualties for the Palestinians.

That's why you can't give up,, people have suffered, they have been oppressed, they have been killed and apartheid forced upon them

Striking deals with your occupier just justifies that oppression

Fight it out, they can only keep hurting you, but one day you will get them back


Think of the bigger picture, the longer period of time

 

[Foinikas]

Not to mention that no Zionist leader would even agree to that since they are totally committed to the ethnic cleansing and (incremental) annexation of the occupied Palestinian West Bank, there are not 1 million Jewish settlers living in the occupied West Bank by accident. Any Zionist leader that even seriously considers the idea of removing illegal Jewish settlements from the occupied West Bank will almost certainly be assassinated by extremist Jewish settlers, like Rabin was (and back then the Zionist society was much less extremist than it is today).

Their leftist leaders could agree. Of course the settlers would resist,but political pressure from other countries could force them.

That's why you can't give up,, people have suffered, they have been oppressed, they have been killed and apartheid forced upon them

Striking deals with your occupier just justifies that oppression

Fight it out, they can only keep hurting you, but one day you will get them back


Think of the bigger picture, the longer period of time

Of course you're not the one living there and having to go through a gazillion checkpoints every day.

 

[HGV]

Their leftist leaders could agree. Of course the settlers would resist,but political pressure from other countries could force them.

The Zionist regime doesn't have leftist leaders, it has convicted terrorists in government. If you think any mainstream politician supports such a policy you are delusional. As I said, even if such a leader emerged (impossible given the settler society's extreme shift to far-right fascism is widespread among its society) they would be assassinated like Rabin was.

And there are various other redline points that the settler regime has never attempted to compromise on.

You can fool yourself but you can't fool the Palestinians. The two-state solution is dead, killed by extremist settlers aided and abetted by the US and Europe.

 

[HGV]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1645479508676313121

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Crux of the whole problem.

Borders help protect tiny cabal against numerically superior Muslims. The hard borders established by the collective west as a parting gift post first and second world war keeps paying dividends. You are a beneficiary off... born on one side of an imaginary line absolves you and immediate members perhaps of hostility and brutality.
You choose your own bed and you're making one for yourself... and hope against hope that no one comes a knocking because your case is lost the moment you excused yourself into your tiny little bubble.

Obviously, the zionist project wouldn't have been possible with either a united Arab, Ottoman or Muslim front. They had to be cut down to size and on one leg constantly getting destabilized. Even one getting on it's feet would suffice. Palestinians themselves alone...

Imagine thus to be a battle of Thermopylae... and use of chokepoints/bottlenecks by numerically inferior Spartans.

So, now hope against hope that you'd never seek, nor need help of anyone, be an island unto yourself!

You can understand my feelings only if you are Punjabi

Go through this Punjabi poetry of Muslim poets:

So our so called Ummah brothers will not hesitate to play with our blood and loot us the day our defences fall weak.

We are literally 230M+ people.Technically we must fight our wars on our own and leave aside this Ummah mantra.
History has proved that even Muslims loot/Kill fellow Muslims and this is the reality of this world and we must accept this.

 

[HGV]

Palestine has claimed that the Zionist settler regime is planning an operation of extrajudicial assassinations in Gaza after Passover (from Friday 14th).

Resistance forces must remain vigilant and prepared to counter and respond to such acts of aggression.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

You can understand my feelings only if you are Punjabi

Go through this Punjabi poetry of Muslim poets:
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So our so called Ummah brothers will not hesitate to play with our blood and loot us the day our defences fall weak.

We are literally 230M+ people.Technically we must fight our wars on our own and leave aside this Ummah mantra.
History has proved that even Muslims loot/Kill fellow Muslims and this is the reality of this world and we must accept this.

It is mildly amusing the takeaways you've internalized.
Pakistan is in fact a victim of a mercenary zeal that impacted it's land and enslaved it's people... continues to this day and who knows when it will end.
In fact, your assumption and smugness at the status quo is revealing only in it's ignorance. If history has given one lesson is that it sides with the explorer, the one who ventures and perhaps even imposes it's peace on those he stumbled upon.
The reason why legacy British thought, laws and discourse still runs the gambit in much of the world including Pakistan is because they involved themselves in your affairs, irrespective of their own problems and travails. You probably have never heard of their plight... rightfully so! You were and are a recipient!
So, here blame the concept of brotherhood among nations but wholesale dive into someone else's discourse, fortuitously!
Let's forget Pakistan's many problems and consider Palestinians for instance, they are facing in direct and exact opposite of the narrative you're peddling of retracting into a shell.
Among many options or possibilities of directing and underwriting such peace could have been a combined voluntary peacekeeping force collected from many countries to impose terms short of declaring a war. That, in essence a full fledged war would pour in the might of the whole "Ummah" would've sufficed. Allowing a protective bubble for Palestinians and breathing space.

I could go on, Pakistan supplies cheap labor instead of lifting it's weight and directing its terms! In short because of a occupied mind. One that accepts suzerainty of foreigner for "perceived" and short-term economic benefit. While a more robust approach of lifting it's masses from what afflicts them it chose a parasitic approach.

Turks sent forces to combat Portuguese presence in IOR before Moguls ruled Delhi, why? If successful they would have stopped European expansion and colonial presence. But a recipient of all this you choose, pounce on and peddle pacifism.

This post is already longer and further going on a tangent and I wouldn't put any further effort except, hope, that it opens venues of thought for the reader.

 

[Trango Towers]

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@Foinikas enjoy. The love you have for the facists Jews is being returned with interest

 

[Foinikas]

The two-state solution is dead, killed by extremist settlers aided and abetted by the US and Europe.

Well now it is. Now,they are too weak,divided and with a lot of settlements there.

The irony is that if they had accepted the UN plan back then,they would have had a much bigger and independent country now. But they didn't expect to lose the war in 1948.

 

[HGV]

The irony is that if they had accepted the UN plan back then,they would have had a much bigger and independent country now. But they didn't expect to lose the war in 1948.

Irrelevant to your original nonsensical claims relating to the viability of a two-state solution in occupied Palestine.

 

[Foinikas]

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@Foinikas enjoy. The love you have for the facists Jews is being returned with interest

After pages and pages,you somehow refuse to either read or understand what I'm saying. And by doing that,you continue to slander me and say that I have "love for the fascist jews" etc. etc.

So are you trying to provoke me into some kind of insult,so that you can then complain that everybody is insulting you first?

When I've clearly stated numerous times,in many posts and many threads,that I do not support the occupation of the Palestinians,that I despise the oppression and trouble the Palestinians have been going through and the arrogance of the settlers,there's just no way you continue to say stuff like "your nazi zionist friends" or "your love for the fascist jews" and things like that. You either have to be truly stupid or a troll.

So decide. What are you? Are you stupid or are you trolling? You've been doing the same thing in other threads too. You've been completely ignoring facts and replies and just say your stuff no matter what.

Irrelevant to your original nonsensical claims relating to the viability of a two-state solution in occupied Palestine.

Nonsensical? Ok man. What exactly makes you believe that Palestinians will eventually defeat Israel militarily,after 4 big conventional wars and two major uprisings,which had the support of a big part of the muslim world and the world in general?

They couldn't win back then,what makes you think they can win now,that they are divided,the IDF has an even bigger advantage with new weapons systems and the Palestinian Authority areas are heavily monitored and IDF and Jewish settlers are more heavily fortified than in the past?

And on top of that,the vast majority of the Arab and Muslim world either don't care or have been destroyed economically and militarily to the point that they can't help the Palestinians.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

It is mildly amusing the takeaways you've internalized.
Pakistan is in fact a victim of a mercenary zeal that impacted it's land and enslaved it's people... continues to this day and who knows when it will end.
In fact, your assumption and smugness at the status quo is revealing only in it's ignorance. If history has given one lesson is that it sides with the explorer, the one who ventures and perhaps even imposes it's peace on those he stumbled upon.
The reason why legacy British thought, laws and discourse still runs the gambit in much of the world including Pakistan is because they involved themselves in your affairs, irrespective of their own problems and travails. You probably have never heard of their plight... rightfully so! You were and are a recipient!
So, here blame the concept of brotherhood among nations but wholesale dive into someone else's discourse, fortuitously!
Let's forget Pakistan's many problems and consider Palestinians for instance, they are facing in direct and exact opposite of the narrative you're peddling of retracting into a shell.
Among many options or possibilities of directing and underwriting such peace could have been a combined voluntary peacekeeping force collected from many countries to impose terms short of declaring a war. That, in essence a full fledged war would pour in the might of the whole "Ummah" would've sufficed. Allowing a protective bubble for Palestinians and breathing space.

I could go on, Pakistan supplies cheap labor instead of lifting it's weight and directing its terms! In short because of a occupied mind. One that accepts suzerainty of foreigner for "perceived" and short-term economic benefit. While a more robust approach of lifting it's masses from what afflicts them it chose a parasitic approach.

Turks sent forces to combat Portuguese presence in IOR before Moguls ruled Delhi, why? If successful they would have stopped European expansion and colonial presence. But a recipient of all this you choose, pounce on and peddle pacifism.

This post is already longer and further going on a tangent and I wouldn't put any further effort except, hope, that it opens venues of thought for the reader.

Every successful nation focused on the development of its own people first.
Then it started exerting its global influence as a natural step forward.

While Pakistan is still a backward country and has huge population living in poverty but according to you, Pakistan should start meddling in long wars which suck huge and huge money just to create our influence on the name of Ummah savers.
Is influence ka ham achar dalein ge?
Just take Iran as an example: All it's global adventure comes at the cost of its internal development.
They are lucky they have huge Oil reserves.Without Oil reserves,this long-spanned war would have been impossible to sustain.

Our history proves that this Ummah concept have hindered the mental growth of our people:
Recall when we were ourselves under British Raj and our people were worried about Khilafat in Turkey.
Our own lands were in British Control and our youth was going to Turkey to save Khilafat

Our people were going to Afghanistan because they thought Afghans are our Islamic brothers and will give us refuge and freedom on their lands.

The reality is the world runs on the lines of geopolitical interests.
There is no concept of nation brotherhoods in real world.
Religion is just a tool to advance ones geopolitical interests.
We can also use it when our time will come.
At present, it's not a time to indulge our people in wars happening thousand of miles away from our country and we have nothing to achieve from there except Ummah love perhaps.

 

[AA_]

It is mildly amusing the takeaways you've internalized.
Pakistan is in fact a victim of a mercenary zeal that impacted it's land and enslaved it's people... continues to this day and who knows when it will end.
In fact, your assumption and smugness at the status quo is revealing only in it's ignorance. If history has given one lesson is that it sides with the explorer, the one who ventures and perhaps even imposes it's peace on those he stumbled upon.
The reason why legacy British thought, laws and discourse still runs the gambit in much of the world including Pakistan is because they involved themselves in your affairs, irrespective of their own problems and travails. You probably have never heard of their plight... rightfully so! You were and are a recipient!
So, here blame the concept of brotherhood among nations but wholesale dive into someone else's discourse, fortuitously!
Let's forget Pakistan's many problems and consider Palestinians for instance, they are facing in direct and exact opposite of the narrative you're peddling of retracting into a shell.
Among many options or possibilities of directing and underwriting such peace could have been a combined voluntary peacekeeping force collected from many countries to impose terms short of declaring a war. That, in essence a full fledged war would pour in the might of the whole "Ummah" would've sufficed. Allowing a protective bubble for Palestinians and breathing space.

I could go on, Pakistan supplies cheap labor instead of lifting it's weight and directing its terms! In short because of a occupied mind. One that accepts suzerainty of foreigner for "perceived" and short-term economic benefit. While a more robust approach of lifting it's masses from what afflicts them it chose a parasitic approach.

Turks sent forces to combat Portuguese presence in IOR before Moguls ruled Delhi, why? If successful they would have stopped European expansion and colonial presence. But a recipient of all this you choose, pounce on and peddle pacifism.

This post is already longer and further going on a tangent and I wouldn't put any further effort except, hope, that it opens venues of thought for the reader.

Beautifully said!

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Every successful nation focused on the development of its own people first.
Then it started exerting its global influence as a natural step forward.

While Pakistan is still a backward country and has huge population living in poverty but according to you, Pakistan should start meddling in long wars which suck huge and huge money just to create our influence on the name of Ummah savers.
Is influence ka ham achar dalein ge?
Just take Iran as an example: All it's global adventure comes at the cost of its internal development.
They are lucky they have huge Oil reserves.Without Oil reserves,this long-spanned war would have been impossible to sustain.

Our history proves that this Ummah concept have hindered the mental growth of our people:
Recall when we were ourselves under British Raj and our people were worried about Khilafat in Turkey.
Our own lands were in British Control and our youth was going to Turkey to save Khilafat

Our people were going to Afghanistan because they thought Afghans are our Islamic brothers and will give us refuge and freedom on their lands.

The reality is the world runs on the lines of geopolitical interests.
There is no concept of nation brotherhoods in real world.
Religion is just a tool to advance ones geopolitical interests.
We can also use it when our time will come.
At present, it's not a time to indulge our people in wars happening thousand of miles away from our country and we have nothing to achieve from there except Ummah love perhaps.

Hmm, jews world over can collect themselves on a common bond and affinity, hindus under dharmic, catholics, protestants and orthodox for themselves but yes Muslims... no‽

Europe the "beneficiary" poured its poor masses all over the world for it's own benefit. Yet the recused, selfish and shortsighted cannot see past their own shadows.

Instead of dead weight 230 million, fulcrum of Muslim world it could have been perhaps still is, Pakistan's time. Dictating it's terms, setting it's goals for it's and the benefit of Ummah... instead of being nagging self absorbed slave.

It is a pity really!