UN Arms Embargo against Iran is lifting!!

[QWECXZ]

It is nice to remind these people what their true origins are. But having Indian,Arab,English,Persian fathers makes one a very confused person. So don't blame him, the Pakistani isn't probably aware that the name they are using to call him is infact originating from the very same country he is disrespecting.

Most Pakistanis are nice and cool though, just some of them are like this clown.

Indeed. Even the name of Pakistan comes from Persian. Pak means pure and -istan is a common suffix in Persian for naming Persian provinces. The ignorance of some Pakistanis about how culturally and historically linked they are to Iran never fails to amaze me.

Yeah. I have met some cool Pakistanis on PDF too.

 

[Mithridates]

Russians are already in negotiation with Iran for their future purchases.
There is talk that Iran is interested to buy Su 30/35.

Iran signed the deal after signing the JCPOA, day after embargo lifted we might receive our new planes.

 

[CHI RULES]

There has been no proof or confirmation by the Iranian officials that Pakistan helped Iran in arresting Rigi. Rigi went to a Madrassa in Karachi which also educated many Taliban leaders. Iran requested Pakistan many times to allow our troops pass the border with their permission to chase and arrest separatists. Pakistan never granted such a permission to Iran while you never stopped Americans from violating your air space and sovereignty. Iran didn't have Pakistan's support during the Iraq-Iran war. As soon as Iraq invaded Iran, Pakistan deployed 40,000 soldiers in Saudi Arabia to protect them from Iran. I don't call that "full support".

India is an old civilization that has been friendly to Iran for thousands of years and our economic ties with them are normal like many other countries. But it is interesting that Pakistanis never blame Turkey or Saudi Arabia for having economic ties with India. At least Iran's leader publicly condemned the mistreatment of Muslims in Kashmir. What did your Arab friends do? They didn't even condemn it.

If u claim to be champion of Islam it your moral duty practically help other Muslims not just one sect. My Islam teaches me equality and brotherhood not to call either Shia or Wahabi as non Muslim or try to convert other sect forcefully. This is not the place to provide evidence but it is fact that no one can forget sectarian organizations like Sipah e Sahaba and Sipa e Muhammad. KSA and Iran both were involved you can still get confirmation from Pak Shia youth still being recruited for Syrian war in Zanbia Brigade.
I am neither against KSA nor Iran but I am against blood shed of innocent in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and even in Yemen. It's a shame what Indians doing in Kashmir more or less same acts repeated by mercenaries in mentioned countries. You have even cleverly avoided to answer about Kalbhushan and removal of high ranking Iran Army officer.

On other side if Iran changes sectarian path then only can become a true friendly neighbor of Pakistan. Believe me then a block can be created consisting Iran, Pakistan and Turkey. As per help proof please read a book by Pakistan intelligence officer who was a Shia by sect name of book is
The Bear Trap: Afghanistan's Untold Story
Unfortunately like Iran Pakistan do not have black gold moreover we have our enemy like India which was and still supported by our so called brother Muslim countries, perhaps due to their sectarian duties. So Pakistan cannot afford to face UN sanctions or even US pressures.

Indeed. Even the name of Pakistan comes from Persian. Pak means pure and -istan is a common suffix in Persian for naming Persian provinces. The ignorance of some Pakistanis about how culturally and historically linked they are to Iran never fails to amaze me.

Yeah. I have met some cool Pakistanis on PDF too.

Dear it shall be enough to say that my family has relations with Shia and Wahabi, we like to be called as Sunni Hanfi Muslims or you may call in some sense near to Barelvi sect, Many people even celebrate Imam Jaffer day and give Niaz ( food). I am not confused or ashamed of my heritage which is off course mixed, we are not pure like Iranis or KSA Arabs, yet love our religion not a particular sect. The same false pride our Holly Prophet(PBUH) wanted to end from mankind.

Majority of Pakistan people are open for our Muslim brothers whether from Iran or KSA but cannot support their Govt's agenda.

 

[raptor22]

If u claim to be champion of Islam it your moral duty practically help other Muslims not just one sect. My Islam teaches me equality and brotherhood not to call either Shia or Wahabi as non Muslim or try to convert other sect forcefully. This is not the place to provide evidence but it is fact that no one can forget sectarian organizations like Sipah e Sahaba and Sipa e Muhammad. KSA and Iran both were involved you can still get confirmation from Pak Shia youth still being recruited for Syrian war in Zanbia Brigade.
I am neither against KSA nor Iran but I am against blood shed of innocent in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and even in Yemen. It's a shame what Indians doing in Kashmir more or less same acts repeated by mercenaries in mentioned countries. You have even cleverly avoided to answer about Kalbhushan and removal of high ranking Iran Army officer.

On other side if Iran changes sectarian path then only can become a true friendly neighbor of Pakistan. Believe me then a block can be created consisting Iran, Pakistan and Turkey. As per help proof please read a book by Pakistan intelligence officer who was a Shia by sect name of book is
The Bear Trap: Afghanistan's Untold Story
Unfortunately like Iran Pakistan do not have black gold moreover we have our enemy like India which was and still supported by our so called brother Muslim countries, perhaps due to their sectarian duties. So Pakistan cannot afford to face UN sanctions or even US pressures.




Dear it shall be enough to say that my family has relations with Shia and Wahabi, we like to be called as Sunni Hanfi Muslims or you may call in some sense near to Barelvi sect, Many people even celebrate Imam Jaffer day and give Niaz ( food). I am not confused or ashamed of my heritage which is off course mixed, we are not pure like Iranis or KSA Arabs, yet love our religion not a particular sect. The same false pride our Holly Prophet(PBUH) wanted to end from mankind.

Majority of Pakistan people are open for our Muslim brothers whether from Iran or KSA but cannot support their Govt's agenda.

On Kalbhushan:

Pakistan’s counsel English Queen's Counsel Khawar Qureshi presenting his arguments before ICJ:

"...In reply to a question about Iran, the official said the Pakistan government was convinced that Iran had no role in Jadhav's episode though he remained there for some time. "India wants to drag Iran into this dispute but we will not let it happen," he said. .."

He clarified, "Iran has nothing to do with the Jadhav case. Jadhav was arrested from Balochistan and not Iran and the story regarding his kidnapping from Iran is baseless."
​

Moreover Iran doesn't have sectarian path ...

 

[QWECXZ]

If u claim to be champion of Islam it your moral duty practically help other Muslims not just one sect. My Islam teaches me equality and brotherhood not to call either Shia or Wahabi as non Muslim or try to convert other sect forcefully. This is not the place to provide evidence but it is fact that no one can forget sectarian organizations like Sipah e Sahaba and Sipa e Muhammad. KSA and Iran both were involved you can still get confirmation from Pak Shia youth still being recruited for Syrian war in Zanbia Brigade.
I am neither against KSA nor Iran but I am against blood shed of innocent in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and even in Yemen. It's a shame what Indians doing in Kashmir more or less same acts repeated by mercenaries in mentioned countries. You have even cleverly avoided to answer about Kalbhushan and removal of high ranking Iran Army officer.

Sorry if I replied late, I didn't see this comment earlier.
We haven't helped just one sect. We helped the Palestinians after the 1979 revolution even though they are all Sunnis. We helped Fatah and helped establish Hamas. Both are Sunni organizations. We helped Bosnians that are mainly Sunni in the Bosnian war. We are helping Qataris against the Saudi pressure now.

As for Kalbhushan, I have never heard that word before. I didn't avoid to answer it. I just don't know anything about it. Feel free to tell me about it.

On other side if Iran changes sectarian path then only can become a true friendly neighbor of Pakistan. Believe me then a block can be created consisting Iran, Pakistan and Turkey. As per help proof please read a book by Pakistan intelligence officer who was a Shia by sect name of book is
The Bear Trap: Afghanistan's Untold Story
Unfortunately like Iran Pakistan do not have black gold moreover we have our enemy like India which was and still supported by our so called brother Muslim countries, perhaps due to their sectarian duties. So Pakistan cannot afford to face UN sanctions or even US pressures.

The idea of a military block by Iran, Pakistan and Turkey is unrealistic because Iran and Turkey have conflicting interests at the moment and Pakistan is too dedicated to the Saudis for such an alliance. It has nothing to do with sectarianism.

Dear it shall be enough to say that my family has relations with Shia and Wahabi, we like to be called as Sunni Hanfi Muslims or you may call in some sense near to Barelvi sect, Many people even celebrate Imam Jaffer day and give Niaz ( food). I am not confused or ashamed of my heritage which is off course mixed, we are not pure like Iranis or KSA Arabs, yet love our religion not a particular sect. The same false pride our Holly Prophet(PBUH) wanted to end from mankind.

Majority of Pakistan people are open for our Muslim brothers whether from Iran or KSA but cannot support their Govt's agenda.

You have to know that we are not talking Pakistani people and we have nothing against them. People generally get along well with each other. I know for a fact that Indians and Pakistanis in Dubai coexist together and are friends too. However, when it comes to regional issues and politics, things are different. We believe that when it comes to friendship, Iran is like the 3rd priority for Pakistan. The first two priorities are Saudi Arabia and Turkey. We believe that in any major regional conflict, Pakistan will not side with us. Also, we believe that the Pakistani government is not independent enough to take bold steps and side with Iran against the US or NATO. If you can't secure your own economic interests such as the Iran-Pakistan pipeline, then you won't be a reliable partner when needed.

 

[CHI RULES]

Sorry if I replied late, I didn't see this comment earlier.
We haven't helped just one sect. We helped the Palestinians after the 1979 revolution even though they are all Sunnis. We helped Fatah and helped establish Hamas. Both are Sunni organizations. We helped Bosnians that are mainly Sunni in the Bosnian war. We are helping Qataris against the Saudi pressure now.

As for Kalbhushan, I have never heard that word before. I didn't avoid to answer it. I just don't know anything about it. Feel free to tell me about it.


The idea of a military block by Iran, Pakistan and Turkey is unrealistic because Iran and Turkey have conflicting interests at the moment and Pakistan is too dedicated to the Saudis for such an alliance. It has nothing to do with sectarianism.


You have to know that we are not talking Pakistani people and we have nothing against them. People generally get along well with each other. I know for a fact that Indians and Pakistanis in Dubai coexist together and are friends too. However, when it comes to regional issues and politics, things are different. We believe that when it comes to friendship, Iran is like the 3rd priority for Pakistan. The first two priorities are Saudi Arabia and Turkey. We believe that in any major regional conflict, Pakistan will not side with us. Also, we believe that the Pakistani government is not independent enough to take bold steps and side with Iran against the US or NATO. If you can't secure your own economic interests such as the Iran-Pakistan pipeline, then you won't be a reliable partner when needed.

Difference of opinion should be respected and as said before same is case that due to obvious ground realities Pakistan Govt has to maintain balance.The 96% of Pak population is Muslim out of which 15% are Shia and they have key positions in Civil and Military both. On other side Sunni sect majority is obviously has tilt towards KSA.
I want to finish discussion on following points.
1- The gas pipeline project was stopped due to UN sanctions, Pakistan officially contacted with UN and USA but never got required green signal.
2-As per Iran Iraq Conflict and Pak support please read The Bear Trap: Afghanistan's Untold Story.
3-Pakistan has stance that Yemen and Syria conflicts should be resolved through dialogue. Never sent direct force to involve in conflict despite obvious monetary benefits. Only Raheel Sharif and few others in personal role have been allowed to help KSA in defense strategies.
4-Despite clear evidence of recruitment of Shia youth in Znabya Brigade never accused Iran openly same are other matters.
5-Kulbhushan detail in wiki link given: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulbhushan_Jadhav
6-The relations between Iran and Turkey shall improve with Russian influence I am sensing it and the block is not for military only but overall common interests.
7-Pak and Iran have much to cooperate in case of Military at least at technical level i.e Iran can provide technical help in case of SAM/Radar development and rebuild of old Attack Helicopters. Meanwhile Pak can help in armor, improvement in sensors especially related to fighter jets and even in case of Naval assets.

In the end Sectarian based policies are basis for rift and conflicts sooner Iran and KSA learn better it is or ultimate destruction is waiting in near future.
Please enlighten me about role of Iran in Bosnian war, never heard bout it.
(Ghaza is almost destroyed by Israel and no Muslim nation even condemns Israel, meanwhile in the past Hiszbollah is accused of sectarian violence in Lebanon.)

 

[QWECXZ]

Difference of opinion should be respected and as said before same is case that due to obvious ground realities Pakistan Govt has to maintain balance.The 96% of Pak population is Muslim out of which 15% are Shia and they have key positions in Civil and Military both. On other side Sunni sect majority is obviously has tilt towards KSA.
I want to finish discussion on following points.
1- The gas pipeline project was stopped due to UN sanctions, Pakistan officially contacted with UN and USA but never got required green signal.
2-As per Iran Iraq Conflict and Pak support please read The Bear Trap: Afghanistan's Untold Story.
3-Pakistan has stance that Yemen and Syria conflicts should be resolved through dialogue. Never sent direct force to involve in conflict despite obvious monetary benefits. Only Raheel Sharif and few others in personal role have been allowed to help KSA in defense strategies.
4-Despite clear evidence of recruitment of Shia youth in Znabya Brigade never accused Iran openly same are other matters.
5-Kulbhushan detail in wiki link given: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulbhushan_Jadhav
6-The relations between Iran and Turkey shall improve with Russian influence I am sensing it and the block is not for military only but overall common interests.
7-Pak and Iran have much to cooperate in case of Military at least at technical level i.e Iran can provide technical help in case of SAM/Radar development and rebuild of old Attack Helicopters. Meanwhile Pak can help in armor, improvement in sensors especially related to fighter jets and even in case of Naval assets.

In the end Sectarian based policies are basis for rift and conflicts sooner Iran and KSA learn better it is or ultimate destruction is waiting in near future.
Please enlighten me about role of Iran in Bosnian war, never heard bout it.
(Ghaza is almost destroyed by Israel and no Muslim nation even condemns Israel, meanwhile in the past Hiszbollah is accused of sectarian violence in Lebanon.)

1. There are no UN sanctions on Iran (except for offensive arms sales which will be expired in September). All other UN sanctions on Iran were lifted after signing the JCPOA through UNSC Resolution 2231. 4 years after the JCPOA, Pakistan has not made any progress. It's more about the US and the Saudi influence on you.
2. That's a book. How can I read it? Please cite the parts you think are relevant. I trust you. If you want to say Iran and Pakistan had similar goals during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, OK. But I can't see the relevance.
4. What kind of accusations could Pakistan make against Iran about Liwa Zeinabiyoun? We are not hiding their existence. Are we?
5. Yes, please refer to the post another Iranian member sent.
6. We don't need Russia to mediate between Iran and Turkey. Iran and Turkey are currently at odds over Syria and there's nothing that can be done about it for now.
7. Yes, we could. There's no denying that.

No Muslim nation condemns Israel? So Iran is not a Muslim country? The Gaza strip is doing a lot better than the West Bank which will be soon occupied by Israel. Hezbollah has never been accused of sectarian violence. It has seats in the Lebanese parliament having numerous votes. For a short read about Iran's support for Bosnians during the Bosnian war, which was much bolder than any Sunni nation, visit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina–Iran_relations

 

[Hack-Hook]

1- The gas pipeline project was stopped due to UN sanctions, Pakistan officially contacted with UN and USA but never got required green signal.

exactly , which UN sanction prevented the pipeline . and which clause of it . by the way since when USA sanction become UN sanction and more importantly why pakistan need permission from USA ?

3-Pakistan has stance that Yemen and Syria conflicts should be resolved through dialogue. Never sent direct force to involve in conflict despite obvious monetary benefits. Only Raheel Sharif and few others in personal role have been allowed to help KSA in defense strategies.

well Indians think otherwise
https://theprint.in/world/100-pakis...n-behalf-of-turkey-says-us-journalist/374199/

4-Despite clear evidence of recruitment of Shia youth in Znabya Brigade never accused Iran openly same are other matters.

what accusation ?

 

[flameboard]

But I have to remind you that as long as Chahbahar and border areas of Iran are used by India to destablize Pakistan and Iran allow it to happen like Kulbushan , Uzair Baloch , Baloch terrorists , there will be no way for Pakistan to trust Iran . Not to mention stoking sectarian fighting in Pakistan and other Muslims countries both by KSA and Iran .

This is not the issue cited by Pakistani government. In fact cheap gas coming from Iran would be an incredible boost to Pakistani economy. The government of Pakistan has also ways cited sanctions and external pressures for the cause of delay.

iran has the right to charge Pakistan heavy fees if it doesn’t construct the pipeline I’m glad they haven’t

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

This is not the issue cited by Pakistani government. In fact cheap gas coming from Iran would be an incredible boost to Pakistani economy. The government of Pakistan has also ways cited sanctions and external pressures for the cause of delay.

iran has the right to charge Pakistan heavy fees if it doesn’t construct the pipeline I’m glad they haven’t

I don't want to waste to your and my time but i will give you a short reply . Kindly Check Iran Pakistan gas pipeline agreement date around 2012-2013 and sanctions on Iran date Plus check Mullah Akhter Mansoor crossing of Iran border into Pakistan , Capture of Kulbushan Yadav date plus his video by ISPR , Chahbahar agreement date , name of the country Passport of Uzair Baloch , Iran drone destroyed by Pakistan date 2017 , Feb 2019 Iran threat ( India small war with Pakistan and Afghanistan to UN letter month ) >>> Almost all are after signing Iran Pakistan gas Pipeline . We are glad too that we didn't construct it . You can try your luck in International courts e.t.c . We don't trade with our enemy countries . Iran is slowly coming in that list i.e Israel and India . Take Care .

 

[raptor22]

Iran date Plus check Mullah Akhter Mansoor crossing of Iran border into Pakistan

He had a Pakistani Passport :

Capture of Kulbushan Yadav date plus his video by ISPR

Pakistan’s counsel English Queen's Counsel Khawar Qureshi presenting his arguments before ICJ:

"...In reply to a question about Iran, the official said the Pakistan government was convinced that Iran had no role in Jadhav's episode though he remained there for some time. "India wants to drag Iran into this dispute but we will not let it happen," he said. .."

He clarified, "Iran has nothing to do with the Jadhav case. Jadhav was arrested from Balochistan and not Iran and the story regarding his kidnapping from Iran is baseless."​

Passport of Uzair Baloch ,

1) Uzair fled Pakistan after the launch of the Rangers operation in Karachi in September 2013.

2) The Sindh government had sent documents to the federal authorities in May 2014, seeking the issuance of red warrants against both Lyari gangsters Uzair Baloch and Baba Ladla who were said to have fled to Iran, Oman, the UAE or South Africa. The warrants were eventually issued against both Uzair and Baba on June 11 and 12, 2014, respectively.


3) On December 28, 2014, the red-warranted runaway landed in the hands of Interpol at Dubai-Oman border. Baloch was trying to walk into UAE on a counterfeit passport.


4) Iran has started to make efforts for catching the suspected Lyari gang warlord Uzair Baloch on 02 January 2015, according to a letter written by Federal Investigative Agency (FIA) to the Ministry of Interior, Dunya News reported.Iranian government claims that the accused was travelling on a fake Iranian passport and therefore, the case must also be registered and run in Iran.

5) A four-member special police team which was in Dubai for a month to seek Baloch's custody from UAE authorities had returned empty-handed in March 2015.

6) It is not clear when and how Baloch arrived in Pakistan from UAE.

7) Rangers arrested Baloch in a targeted operation outside Karachi late on Friday while he was attempting to enter the city, said a press release issued by the paramilitary force. It happened in January 2016.
I am not asking about how he got to Pakistan from Dubai in btw March 2015 and January 2016 but when it comes to Iran fake documents could you please explain that it says visa valid until 11th May 2014 and he was arrested on 28 December 2014 ... was he visiting Dubai with Expired visa on a fake passport ? And if he was an Iranian agent or was in cahoots with evil Iranians why expired visa?​

Iran drone destroyed by Pakistan date 2017

Well Iranian drone were there to observe terrorist groups movements whom had entered Iranian borders from Pakistan ... clean your territory ...

On gas Pipeline, Iran in combined has got the biggest Gas and Oil resources next door .. have fun with your policy you don't buy it or not you'll be known as a country that can not fulfill its agreements under pressure ...

 

[CHI RULES]

This is not the issue cited by Pakistani government. In fact cheap gas coming from Iran would be an incredible boost to Pakistani economy. The government of Pakistan has also ways cited sanctions and external pressures for the cause of delay.

iran has the right to charge Pakistan heavy fees if it doesn’t construct the pipeline I’m glad they haven’t

In case of international sanctions i.e monetary sanctions are there restricting Pak banks to deal with Irani FIs Pakistan cannot oblige the agreement and if Iran goes for any sort of litigation until and unless Pakistani lawyer is like Jamaat Ali Shah-Former Wapda head Pakistan shall be imposed no penalty.

exactly , which UN sanction prevented the pipeline . and which clause of it . by the way since when USA sanction become UN sanction and more importantly why pakistan need permission from USA ?

well Indians think otherwise
https://theprint.in/world/100-pakis...n-behalf-of-turkey-says-us-journalist/374199/


what accusation ?

If they are there then it should be condemned in same way as Zanbiya brigade hiring should be.

 

[Philosopher]

Shall we stick to the topic please instead of making all these off tangent posts.

 

[raptor22]

Shall we stick to the topic please instead of making all these off tangent posts.

Well we don't havw money to buy any significant weapon the only hope is new fighter jets to rebuild the air force but american are gonna use lifting as hostage to sabotage the jcopa so could make EU to vote against it ... but as their main goal is merely getting rid off N-deal & if they succeed in sabotaging the jcopa then the entire UN sanctions would reimposed including arm embargo .. so nothing is gonna happen or at least not a game changer situation .. thanks God we've got a decent indigenous military industry otherwise we were attacked like the rest of the region

 

[Philosopher]

Well we don't havw money to buy any significant weapon the only hope is new fighter jets to rebuild the air force but american are gonna use lifting as hostage to sabotage the jcopa so could make EU to vote against it ... but as their main goal is merely getting rid off N-deal & if they succeed in sabotaging the jcopa then the entire UN sanctions would reimposed including arm embargo .. so nothing is gonna happen or at least not a game changer situation .. thanks God we've got a decent indigenous military industry otherwise we were attacked like the rest of the region

Few points to remember, when to comes purchasing, remember Iran's needs revolve around the airforce sector. Minus purchasing technology, I do not see Iran purchasing much else other than fighter jets. With regards to finance, Iran may have put money aside years ago to use as purchase funds. There is always more to these matters than we're aware of. We are only judging these situations from a superficial point of view.