Ukraine tells EU leaders: Prepare for war with Russia

[MH.Yang]

yeah and both China and Russia cant deploy a single carrier meanwhile UK carriers has terrorised both China and Russia

Royal Navy has 7 x Astute Class Hunter Killer Nuclear Submarines
4 x SSBN the Vanguard Class with 16 x Trident nuclear missiles each, each one can wipe Russia and China off the map
2 x full strength Carrier Strike Groups with largest 5th generation naval air wing in the world

and a standard and professionalism that Russia and China can only dream off

Russia and China cant even handle a tiny UK let alone the US

In China, there is a joke about Britain:

Britain in the Stuart dynasty was like a cherry, it was beautiful but not necessarily delicious.
Victorian England was like a grape, it was beautiful and delicious.
Britain in George VI's time was like pineapple, it was not good-looking but maybe delicious.

Britain in the era of Elizabeth II was like a tomato. Do you think tomatoes are still fruit?

 

[Battlion25]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1461131882859540482

 

[Maula Jatt]

Don't know how this war has gone under the radar in the media spot light seems like it has been brutal but we even hear more about freaking Myanmar these days.

Ukraine has bravely stood it's ground here and I am wondering who will be the first to deploy in EU. The Americans shouldn't deploy here I for once sense there is geninue fear of Russia in EU it is becoming apparent now but I suspect the British will be the first to deploy they seemed to be the once who have released harsh words against Russia. If anyone will deploy it will be the british first

Geopolitics aside as I have no opinion on who is right or wrong
But Ukraine stood tall in face of powerful enemy, this act alone shows the spirit of the people and thier bravery

 

[MH.Yang]

Geopolitics aside as I have no opinion on who is right or wrong
But Ukraine stood tall in face of powerful enemy, this act alone shows the spirit of the people and thier bravery

The Ukrainians' mistake is not to oppose Russia. Ukrainians and Russia have too many cultural and blood ties. If they do not oppose the Russians, they will lose their independence sooner or later. Like Belarus now. The Ukrainians' mistake was to use right-wing ideas and oppose Russia by undermining the system, and they also introduced external forces.

There is nothing wrong with opposing Russia, and nothing wrong with opposing country division.
but they chose the stupidest way.


The biggest mistake came from the Russians, who should not have let Ukraine and Belarus leave. Since they allowed the two countries to leave, they should not be forced to return now.

 

[Titanium100]

Seems like the Russians are facing stiff competition
Ukrainian troops captured a pro-Russian combatant at the front line
18 November, 2021

Ukrainian troops captured a pro-Russian combatant at the front line
Armed Forces of Ukraine Ukraine
Ukrainian troops captured a combatant of the so-called LPR at the front line, reports Militarnyi with reference to the JFO HQ press-center.

The captured combatant had a loaded magazine for assault rifle with him and walked in the direction of Ukrainian positions. The combatant’s name is Oleksandr Lopushniak.

The Security Service of Ukraine representatives informed that the combatant left his positions, got lost and was captured by Ukrainian soldiers.


«The perpetrator lost orientation and accidentally walked to the Ukrainian positions», – informed the Security Service of Ukraine.

The combatant was searched and LPR issued military ID was found with his belongings.

Upon capture the combatant was given in charge of the Security Service of Ukraine.

Preliminary investigation confirmed that the captured combatant originates from the Russian Federation and joined the illegal armed group in 2018.


During his time with the illegal armed group the combatant occupied positions of a rifleman, AT rocket launcher operator assistant, participated in attacks on the JFO troops’ positions, including using the Utes 0.5 cal. machine gun. The court is considering pre-trial restriction in the form of detention.

The Security Service of Ukraine has recently identified the location of a former Oplot illegal armed group combatant and detained her in Donetsk region. In October Ukrainian military personnel captured an LPR combatant conducting reconnaissance of abandoned Ukrainian positions.

Ukrainian troops captured a pro-Russian combatant at the front line

The captured combatant had a loaded magazine for assault rifle with him and walked in the direction of Ukrainian positions. The combatant’s name is Oleksandr Lopushniak.

mil.in.ua

 

[Apollon]

I disagree. Gas prices are experiencing heavy inflation and Nordstream 2 would greatly alleviate that. So the longer Germany blocks the gas line, the greater Germany and the rest of Europe will suffer.

The EU is going after Russia’s core interests which the Russians won’t surrender. It has already applied countless sanctions against Russia and Russia is still standing. So they can apply more sanctions if they want but Russia won’t back down on its core issues.

Guess which economy is bigger than the total EU economy? China’s. And China is an ally of Russia and will help it weather the difficulties.

Europe and Germany dont suffer, its an annoyance and nothing more. But for Russia its lost income, income Putin needs to pay salaries and pensions. Putin also cant switch customers since the entire pipeline system is build towards Europe.

China wont help Russia for same reasons it doesnt help anyone else, Business. Russia as economic midget is not worth the trouble, in that the Chinese are incredible predictable.

Nordstream 2 was yesterday delayed by months which costs Russia the entire winter season of income.

And just as that happens, Belarus carries the migrants away to end the conflict with the EU...most likely Putin called.

Sanctions will not work bro here and just look Crimea is already gone and Eastern Ukraine Donbass is also gone.

Look I am gonna be honest with you I am neutral here but slightly pro Ukraine in this one and not because of political reasons I sympathize with them solely because I think there fight is noble and that is just me being frank with you. Not Anti Russian at all tho because I find Maria Zakharova to be hot so I can't be against her but either way this showchases to you how neutral I am.

If there is no military option things get doomed here lets be frank. France and Germany both need to deploy strongly to the Polish and Ukrianian border if Russia manages to breach them than things could unraval. Hungary is already wanting to leave the EU if this happens meaning the fall of Ukraine it could lead to massive exodus.

Are the greeks willing to deploy this is the only option honestly speaking meaning countries being willing to deploy

Hungary does not want to leave the EU, they depend 100% on the money transfer.

Europe&USA have been tried to put pressure on Russia's economic limits, and they failed. Without China's participation, Europe&USA cannot hurt Russia's economy. Stop threatening Russia's economy, China will not let Russia's economy collapse. If Europe&USA want to defeat Russia, they must defeat them on the battlefield.

Its not "threatening" of economy. We are free to trade with whom we want. If we dont want trade with Russia uts a free decission. If someone ships migrants atnour border, we are free to block that country from trade. Im sure you agree with that, just as you block trade with australia, we are free to block trade with countries that act hostile against our interests.

Btw just yesterday EU cancelled all leasing with belarusian airline Belavia. They now lost their entire fleet of aircraft.

EU aircraft leasing contracts with Belavia to end, Ireland says

European Union aircraft leasing contracts with state-owned Belarusian airline Belavia will end as soon as the bloc finalises its new round of sanctions against Belarus, Ireland's foreign minister said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

 

[tower9]

Europe and Germany dont suffer, its an annoyance and nothing more. But for Russia its lost income, income Putin needs to pay salaries and pensions. Putin also cant switch customers since the entire pipeline system is build towards Europe.

China wont help Russia for same reasons it doesnt help anyone else, Business. Russia as economic midget is not worth the trouble, in that the Chinese are incredible predictable.

Nordstream 2 was yesterday delayed by months which costs Russia the entire winter season of income.

And just as that happens, Belarus carries the migrants away to end the conflict with the EU...most likely Putin called.



Hungary does not want to leave the EU, they depend 100% on the money transfer.

Once again you show you have very little understanding of the world.

China will help Russia, because why? If Russia falls, then China will have no great power to help stand with it against the neolib zog who are obsessed with world domination. China's business with Russia is far more than about business, it encompasses geopolitical, military and technological cooperation. Don't be stupid. Also, do you think China is lacking in demand for Russia's natural gas or oil? China will easily purchase whatever the Europeans don't want.

And again, your remarks about Germany show how little you understand about the situation, which is not surprising considering your complete ignorance about everything else. If Nordstream 2 doesn't get built, Russia loses nothing, because it never had that income. But Germany relies heavily on its manufacturing, which relies heavily on predictable energy costs. These energy costs are skyrocketing worldwide and Europe is no exception. Nordstream 2 would've been able to help Germany hedge against this inflation by introducing a source of reliable and cheap gas. So in essence, the EU inhibiting the pipeline is a self deprecating political charade that ultimately hurts Europe more than it does Russia. If Germany's manufacturers absorb inflationary costs for production, this will be translated into higher costs for other products and add to the general inflation that is already impacting society.

Again, this foolishness could've all been avoided if the Zog handlers were not high functioning narcissistic sociopaths who are obsessed with destroying any government that does not kowtow to their rule. Yet they would rather injure the societies they already control rather than give up an opportunity to needle and invade the core interests of their rival powers.

 

[Apollon]

Once again you show you have very little understanding of the world.

China will help Russia, because why? If Russia falls, then China will have no great power to help stand with it against the neolib zog who are obsessed with world domination. China's business with Russia is far more than about business, it encompasses geopolitical, military and technological cooperation. Don't be stupid. Also, do you think China is lacking in demand for Russia's natural gas or oil? China will easily purchase whatever the Europeans don't want.

And again, your remarks about Germany show how little you understand about the situation, which is not surprising considering your complete ignorance about everything else. If Nordstream 2 doesn't get built, Russia loses nothing, because it never had that income. But Germany relies heavily on its manufacturing, which relies heavily on predictable energy costs. These energy costs are skyrocketing worldwide and Europe is no exception. Nordstream 2 would've been able to help Germany hedge against this inflation by introducing a source of reliable and cheap gas. So in essence, the EU inhibiting the pipeline is a self deprecating political charade that ultimately hurts Europe more than it does Russia. If Germany's manufacturers absorb inflationary costs for production, this will be translated into higher costs for other products and add to the general inflation that is already impacting society.

Again, this foolishness could've all been avoided if the Zog handlers were not high functioning narcissistic sociopaths who are obsessed with destroying any government that does not kowtow to their rule. Yet they would rather injure the societies they already control rather than give up an opportunity to needle and invade the core interests of their rival powers.

You cant purchase since there is no infrastructure to deliver that gas from those gas fields to china. Its that easy.

Your words are contradicted by the fact that Germany yesterday blocked nordstream 2.

The EU also has core interests, thats propably something you chose to ignore.

The EU will not accept if Russia walks into Ukraine. The EU will support Russia to hold the status quo. Its up to Putin now to make the right decissions. It appears he does, since the migrants are flown back home just now.

On a sidenote, China so far always sided with the EU in such issues, simply because China has the same interests to keep the status quo. Chinas main interests is free trade, for that it needs the EU and China always stood on that side. So it will be like always, warm words from Beijing and thats it.

 

[tower9]

You cant purchase since there is no infrastructure to deliver that gas from those gas fields to china. Its that easy.

Your words are contradicted by the fact that Germany yesterday blocked nordstream 2.

The EU also has core interests, thats propably something you chose to ignore.

The EU will not accept if Russia walks into Ukraine. The EU will support Russia to hold the status quo. Its up to Putin now to make the right decissions. It appears he does, since the migrants are flown back home just now.

On a sidenote, China so far always sided with the EU in such issues, simply because China has the same interests to keep the status quo. Chinas main interests is free trade, for that it needs the EU and China always stood on that side. So it will be like always, warm words from Beijing and thats it.

The core problem that we have on hand is less about the EU than it is about NATO, and specifically NATO being driven by the Anglo-Jewish elite's interests. They have infringed upon Russia's core interests by flirting with expanding into the Ukraine and turning the country hostile against Russia. This is absolutely unacceptable to Russia and they will make sure that Ukraine will pay the price for this hostility by seizing regions that already want to reunite with Russia.

This really isn't part of the EU's core interest as it affects no EU country. There is no doubt that the EU/NATO will try to present it as such to justify their meddling in the situation and to use it as a way to escalate tensions against Russia. But that's not the same as recognizing that it is not part of the EU's core interest.

Your comments about China's position is irrelevant. China and Russia are forming a very coordinated alliance and have been for at least the last 7-8 years because it is mutually beneficial and because it is mutually necessary for both of their survival. China does have an interest in keeping a healthy working relationship with the EU so they will not take an overtly hostile political position against the EU on the matter, but they will support the Russians to a great extent to weather sanctions as they have done since 2014.

 

[MH.Yang]

Europe and Germany dont suffer, its an annoyance and nothing more. But for Russia its lost income, income Putin needs to pay salaries and pensions. Putin also cant switch customers since the entire pipeline system is build towards Europe.

China wont help Russia for same reasons it doesnt help anyone else, Business. Russia as economic midget is not worth the trouble, in that the Chinese are incredible predictable.

Nordstream 2 was yesterday delayed by months which costs Russia the entire winter season of income.

And just as that happens, Belarus carries the migrants away to end the conflict with the EU...most likely Putin called.



Hungary does not want to leave the EU, they depend 100% on the money transfer.


Its not "threatening" of economy. We are free to trade with whom we want. If we dont want trade with Russia uts a free decission. If someone ships migrants atnour border, we are free to block that country from trade. Im sure you agree with that, just as you block trade with australia, we are free to block trade with countries that act hostile against our interests.

Btw just yesterday EU cancelled all leasing with belarusian airline Belavia. They now lost their entire fleet of aircraft.

EU aircraft leasing contracts with Belavia to end, Ireland says

European Union aircraft leasing contracts with state-owned Belarusian airline Belavia will end as soon as the bloc finalises its new round of sanctions against Belarus, Ireland's foreign minister said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Of course, the EU has the right to choose its trading partners. This is the internal affairs of the EU, and other countries have no right to interfere. I just remind the EU that Russia can exchange oil from China for all kinds of goods. Your sanctions are meaningless.

I wonder why you think China will not help Russia. Do you know, in June 2013, because of the economic sanctions imposed by Europe&USA, Russia's economy was in the most dangerous moment, with negative economic growth and crazy devaluation of the ruble. At this time, China and Russia signed a $270 billion oil contract. The contract quickly inflated the ruble exchange rate, and the Russian economy quickly warmed and began to grow.

We are willing to save Russia in 2013, and we will certainly do it again in 2021.

 

[tower9]

Of course, the EU has the right to choose its trading partners. This is the internal affairs of the EU, and other countries have no right to interfere. I just remind the EU that Russia can exchange oil from China for all kinds of goods. Your sanctions are meaningless.

I wonder why you think China will not help Russia. Do you know, in June 2013, because of the economic sanctions imposed by Europe&USA, Russia's economy was in the most dangerous moment, with negative economic growth and crazy devaluation of the ruble. At this time, China and Russia signed a $270 billion oil contract. The contract quickly inflated the ruble exchange rate, and the Russian economy quickly warmed and began to grow.

We are willing to save Russia in 2013, and we will certainly do it again in 2021.

Actually, if China was willing to do it in 2013, it is 1000X more definitively going to do it now since the West has burned bridges with China by doubling down on spreading toxic anti-China propaganda, supporting Uighur terrorism, supporting terrorists in Hong Kong, planting Covid as a way to isolate China, supporting Taiwanese independence. So China has nothing to lose at this point. China will support Russia because it is absolutely in China's interest to do so.

He somehow thinks that China won't help Russia because he is a brainwashed neolib shill that somehow thinks that only the West can act as a unified force and only the West can think strategically.

 

[Apollon]

The core problem that we have on hand is less about the EU than it is about NATO, and specifically NATO being driven by the Anglo-Jewish elite's interests. They have infringed upon Russia's core interests by flirting with expanding into the Ukraine and turning the country hostile against Russia. This is absolutely unacceptable to Russia and they will make sure that Ukraine will pay the price for this hostility by seizing regions that already want to reunite with Russia.

This really isn't part of the EU's core interest as it affects no EU country. There is no doubt that the EU/NATO will try to present it as such to justify their meddling in the situation and to use it as a way to escalate tensions against Russia. But that's not the same as recognizing that it is not part of the EU's core interest.

Your comments about China's position is irrelevant. China and Russia are forming a very coordinated alliance and have been for at least the last 7-8 years because it is mutually beneficial and because it is mutually necessary for both of their survival. China does have an interest in keeping a healthy working relationship with the EU so they will not take an overtly hostile political position against the EU on the matter, but they will support the Russians to a great extent to weather sanctions as they have done since 2014.

It affects eastern EU nations like Poland and the Baltics, their innermost security interests. Just as China wants North Korea as puffer, EU wants Ukraine as puffer, which is the status quo. China will do nothing to change that status quo. Its that easy. If EU allows Ukraine to be occupied by Russia, it would send the signal that same could happen to EU nations like Poland or the Baltics. Its an absolute EU core interest.

Germany block Nordstream 2 now and France telling Russia to send french troops (and with that making the situation nuclear) shows that

Of course, the EU has the right to choose its trading partners. This is the internal affairs of the EU, and other countries have no right to interfere. I just remind the EU that Russia can exchange oil from China for all kinds of goods. Your sanctions are meaningless.

I wonder why you think China will not help Russia. Do you know, in June 2013, because of the economic sanctions imposed by Europe&USA, Russia's economy was in the most dangerous moment, with negative economic growth and crazy devaluation of the ruble. At this time, China and Russia signed a $270 billion oil contract. The contract quickly inflated the ruble exchange rate, and the Russian economy quickly warmed and began to grow.

We are willing to save Russia in 2013, and we will certainly do it again in 2021.

If you are willing to end your trade with EU over this. The USA want China crushed, for this they need EU support. The EU mostly disagrees with this.

This would change 180° if china now starts to meddle into EU affairs and actively undermines eastern european security.

There are only 3 global economic giants. US, EU and China. To destroy one, only has to unite two. Something US has not achieved yet.

I have high doubts that China will support any move that could hurt EU security interests.

In other words, China will do nothing that changes the status quo of Ukraine as buffer zone.

 

[tower9]

It affects eastern EU nations like Poland and the Baltics, their innermost security interests. Just as China wants North Korea as puffer, EU wants Ukraine as puffer, which is the status quo. China will do nothing to change that status quo. Its that easy. If EU allows Ukraine to be occupied by Russia, it would send the signal that same could happen to EU nations like Poland or the Baltics. Its an absolute EU core interest.

Germany block Nordstream 2 now and France telling Russia to send french troops (and with that making the situation nuclear) shows that

Russia needs Ukraine and Belarus as a buffer. Did NATO not consider this when it was trying to expand right up to Russia's borders? Do you think that only the West has agency? That only Western countries have the right to protect themselves? Because certainly, that is the expectation that your Zog handlers seem to promote.

BTW, I seriously doubt that Russia will occupy the Ukraine. It may take the Donbass and some pro-Russian regions but the people in those regions are fighting to leave Ukraine to join Russia.

 

[MH.Yang]

You cant purchase since there is no infrastructure to deliver that gas from those gas fields to china. Its that easy.

Your words are contradicted by the fact that Germany yesterday blocked nordstream 2.

The EU also has core interests, thats propably something you chose to ignore.

The EU will not accept if Russia walks into Ukraine. The EU will support Russia to hold the status quo. Its up to Putin now to make the right decissions. It appears he does, since the migrants are flown back home just now.

On a sidenote, China so far always sided with the EU in such issues, simply because China has the same interests to keep the status quo. Chinas main interests is free trade, for that it needs the EU and China always stood on that side. So it will be like always, warm words from Beijing and thats it.

China is indeed opposed to Russia's capture of Crimea because it violates the international rules that China has always advocated. But this does not mean that China will cooperate with Europe&USA to sanction Russia. There are two natural gas pipelines and one oil pipeline between China and Russia. Of course, we can buy Russian oil and gas.

 

[Apollon]

Actually, if China was willing to do it in 2013, it is 1000X more definitively going to do it now since the West has burned bridges with China by doubling down on spreading toxic anti-China propaganda, supporting Uighur terrorism, supporting terrorists in Hong Kong, planting Covid as a way to isolate China, supporting Taiwanese independence. So China has nothing to lose at this point. China will support Russia because it is absolutely in China's interest to do so.

He somehow thinks that China won't help Russia because he is a brainwashed neolib shill that somehow thinks that only the West can act as a unified force and only the West can think strategically.

So its in Chinas interest to endanger the EU? Last time i checked China always stood for the absolute integrity of the EU.

China is indeed opposed to Russia's capture of Crimea because it violates the international rules that China has always advocated. But this does not mean that China will cooperate with Europe&USA to sanction Russia. There are two natural gas pipelines and one oil pipeline between China and Russia. Of course, we can buy Russian oil and gas.
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Care to explain how the gas and oil from northern russia fields be transported to their infrastructure in the far east?

Titanic had massive pumps in the back of the ship that could have pumped all water out. Too bad it was damaged at the bow.

Russia needs Ukraine and Belarus as a buffer. Did NATO not consider this when it was trying to expand right up to Russia's borders? Do you think that only the West has agency? That only Western countries have the right to protect themselves? Because certainly, that is the expectation that your Zog handlers seem to promote.

BTW, I seriously doubt that Russia will occupy the Ukraine. It may take the Donbass and some pro-Russian regions but the people in those regions are fighting to leave Ukraine to join Russia.

So you admit now, that its against EU interests if Ukraine falls to Russia and its important to hold the status quo? Good, we agree on that. President Xi said exactly same.