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[Hamza913]

Purchasing 18 JF-17s (block III) wouldn't be a bad move on their end.

 

[FuturePAF]

Purchasing 18 JF-17s (block III) wouldn't be a bad move on their end.

IMHO, They would do well to buy one squadron of JF-17 Block III, but they may ask for Conformal fuel tanks added to the design of they are to buy a follow up order so it could be used in the Falklands, which the PAF should look into an addition to a future design change.

Considering the JF-17 Block III is being tailor made to counter a Eurocanard fighter armed with the Meteor, it would be a wise purchase by the Argies. The Brits only have 4 Eurofighters permanently stationed in the falklands, but we all know that number can be surged in case of crisis. Also what ever is purchased will need to be able to deal with the future Tempest Stealth fighter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/comments/d8l97l

 

[ARMalik]

South Korean Slaves being very obediently to their masters.

 

[zectech]

This is why you must rely on your own technology.

I said many times on the forum, that China brings freedom. This is exactly what I mean, in thousands of cases, China represents freedom and democracy to the world. China needs to remain in peace, so free nations can buy weapons without threats, bribes, and blackmails. China needs to remain in peace, so free democracies can trade without sanctions, spying, threats and war.

 

[Trailer23]

Wonder how a JF-17 sale to Argentina would affect Pak-UK Relations.

Purchasing 18 JF-17s (block III) wouldn't be a bad move on their end.

ehh, Martin Baker is an British Company.

Good luck bypassing that hurdle.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Now all these nations are beginning to learn a new lesson and will understand the danger of having 5 eyes Anglo-Saxon alliance esp. US related technologies or components in their system.
All these deals need their approvals.

Will you allow your adversary or rival to get its hands on your weapons systems if you could deprive them of it ? So why are you acting like we are doing something strange or groundbreaking? Lol Any world power or country for that matter would do the same.
I'm sure China wouldn't want to allow Vietnam to purchase it's weapons which could be use against China itself or it's interests and China would stop any major weapon purchase by Vietnam if it could. Same with Japan. Just look at how China has been complaining everyone Taiwan buys/procures weapons from Western powers. So it's normal practice since it can be used against Chinese interests .
So it's normal. Nothing to do with evil Anglo Saxon designs or whatever that even means .

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

What baffles me is this. How CA one coy try stop another one from carrying out a deal with another one how is this possible.

Country A cannot stop a country B form selling stuff to Country C.
Country A can stop country B from selling parts designed and/or produced by Country A to Country C.
If the product from country B is useless without parts from Country A, then Country C will not buy, and Country A has effectively blocked the sale.

 

[FuturePAF]

ehh, Martin Baker is an British Company.

Good luck bypassing that hurdle.

China hasn’t been slouching on an ejection seat and associated systems. They have been implementing modern standards into their J-20. Should not be that difficult to apply it to the JF-17 if it means the difference between a sale or not. Pakistan has the option to buy western sub-systems, China does not. China is investing heavily into its modern fighters and IMHO I don’t think they would skimp on the ejection system, especially after the much publicized loss of a pilot in the 2001 Hainan island incident where a Chinese fighter bumped into an American EP-3, and the pilot died.

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[CAPRICORN-88]

Will you allow your adversary or rival to get its hands on your weapons systems if you could deprive them of it ? So why are you acting like we are doing something strange or groundbreaking? Lol Any world power or country for that matter would do the same.
I'm sure China wouldn't want to allow Vietnam to purchase it's weapons which could be use against China itself or it's interests and China would stop any major weapon purchase by Vietnam if it could. Same with Japan. Just look at how China has been complaining everyone Taiwan buys/procures weapons from Western powers. So it's normal practice since it can be used against Chinese interests .
So it's normal. Nothing to do with evil Anglo Saxon designs or whatever that even means .

OK. Fair enough what you defend is plausible but it seems to me you have deliberately taken my words out of context.

Argentina is not a communist nation and to apply the outdated and unrelated Wassenaar Agreement is not applicable. South Korea K-50 is certainly not a threat to any nation.
To rub to its injury, it is not even wholely USA technologies as well. South Korea learned a new lesson today.

This is a clear case that demonstrate to us that the 5 eyes Anglo-Saxon alliance are conspiring together and imposing their unreasonable anti-trade terms and conditions as well as its double standard to protect USA vested interest.

Well. UK used to practice its independence e.g. supply of Rolls Royce Sprey engines, etc to China but lately it has fallen as well in the case of 5G.
May nations e.g. Japan did not agreed as it is indeed against WTO and international trade rules.

Take TSMC for instance, we are talking about production of 7nm nodes chips using less than 10% related technologies e.g. EDA tool software, etc.

Now non US based and foreign manufacturers are forced to apply for US licences in order to exports to its customers. Now US companies have lost 170 billions exports due to Trump reckless policy.

IMO that appears hyperbole to us.

Fortunately it did not work in the case of China or in the case of SMIC as they have switched to China own and latest IPR EDA tool software that its claimed is more capable than those from USA.
But the switch did cause a lot of disruptions in the process.

Well. It turns out that China new Export Control Law may have more teeth than originally thought. Soon its effects will be felt and it is USA that set a precedent.

It is unfortunate that USA continue to change its policies with each administration.
Breaking its promises in the case of Taiwan comes at a price.

China will definitely retaliate and soon USA will find out the cost of the price of her treachery.

 

[crankthatskunk]

ehh, Martin Baker is an British Company.

Good luck bypassing that hurdle.

you think that a seat can stop the deal for JF 17 III !!!
I doubt it. Alternatives can easily be found.

 

[Indos]

@Indos kan dah kata...
KFX critical components are western origin.

Better than 100 % US fighter planes though, at least the first step to be independent has been taken. It is a long journey.....

 

[mike2000 is back]

It is unfortunate that USA continue to change its policies with each administration.
Breaking its promises in the case of Taiwan comes at a price.

China will definitely retaliate and soon USA will find out the cost of the price of her treachery.

Lol what punishment will China impose on the US? LOL. Calm down, not even the CCP is this serious unlike you on this topic. China will whine and protest and then they will go back to business as usual and life will continue /carry on like nothing happen. This has been going since the beginning of Taiwan crisis for over half a century now. Western countries have been selling weapons to Taiwan when they deem it necessary and there is nothing China has ever done per se apart protest ( there is nothing much they can do apart from that anyway). So I don't see why you think this time will be any different.
China has also threatened such actions against France several times in the past and most recently. They just protest and make threats (which is normal as they can't just remain silent ) and then after that everybody forgets about it and go back to their normal business.

Beijing urges France to cancel contract to sell arms to Taiwan

Paris should call off the sale, Chinese foreign ministry says of upgrade for French-made weapons sold to the island in 1991 against Beijing’s wishes.

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So the fact that the Chinese even imposed or threatened to impose symbolic sanctions on companies involved should tell you that it's not only an "Anglo Saxon" thing. Lol

 

[Sineva]

What baffles me is this. How CA one coy try stop another one from carrying out a deal with another one how is this possible.

Its simple economic blackmail
If your country makes a product that requires certain imported components and that the product cannot work without those components,then in effect this gives the component supplier[and its government] a virtual veto over any and all sales of your product using those components.
This is why it is extremely foolish to simply buy in other peoples components,it may seem like the smart cheap option but in reality it often costs a lot more either politically or economically,especially if one then has to resort to expensive and time consuming reegineering of systems or products in order to remove and replace the offending component with either another foreign made equivalent that doesnt come with political strings attached to it or to try and develop an indigenous version,which can often take a lot of time and money to do.....assuming that its even possible of course.
Its just another form of good old,bad old,imperialism[gangsterism].

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Lol what punishment will China impose on the US? LOL. Calm down, not even the CCP is this serious unlike you on this topic. China will whine and protest and then they will go back to business as usual and life will continue /carry on like nothing happen. This has been going since the beginning of Taiwan crisis for over half a century now. Western countries have been selling weapons to Taiwan when they deem it necessary and there is nothing China has ever done per se apart protest ( there is nothing much they can do apart from that anyway). So I don't see why you think this time will be any different.
China has also threatened such actions against France several times in the past and most recently. They just protest and make threats (which is normal as they can't just remain silent ) and then after that everybody forgets about it and go back to their normal business.

Beijing urges France to cancel contract to sell arms to Taiwan

Paris should call off the sale, Chinese foreign ministry says of upgrade for French-made weapons sold to the island in 1991 against Beijing’s wishes.

amp.scmp.com

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So the fact that the Chinese even imposed or threatened to impose symbolic sanctions on companies involved should tell you that it's not only an "Anglo Saxon" thing. Lol

Well. Laugh about it and enjoy it while it last.
Symbolic sanction???
We will just have to wait and see.

Taiwan will be a no show for US and allies and an issue involving the Chinese themselves. In other word an all China internal affair.
What China has is wisdom and time.
With the rising number if COVID cases amidst the second wave.
It will be interesting to see how US and the 5 eyes Anglo-Saxon alliances deal with it.
With another lie like a vaccines before the US election.
The tremendous contrast between two world systems is showing, during the hour of great global crises, had to be covered up by Washington.

So naturally the world is distracted and did not notice that there is something fundamentally American disturbing and wrong with USA and European imperialist regime, and its extreme, fundamentalist capitalism.

I will await my last laugh.

 

[Place Of Space]

Will you allow your adversary or rival to get its hands on your weapons systems if you could deprive them of it ? So why are you acting like we are doing something strange or groundbreaking? Lol Any world power or country for that matter would do the same.
I'm sure China wouldn't want to allow Vietnam to purchase it's weapons which could be use against China itself or it's interests and China would stop any major weapon purchase by Vietnam if it could. Same with Japan. Just look at how China has been complaining everyone Taiwan buys/procures weapons from Western powers. So it's normal practice since it can be used against Chinese interests .
So it's normal. Nothing to do with evil Anglo Saxon designs or whatever that even means .

China didn't stop Vietnam buy weapons as long as not atomic or chemical weapons. Taiwan is our some speicial province, that's internal affair. You guys have got years of school education, why still can't tell the difference of such simple knowledge?