UAE made air launched cruise missile

[Philip the Arab]

The Saber missile is a ALCM with 1200kg weight, 290km range, a 200kg payload, SATCOM guidance, 0.8 mach speed and a turbofan.

Halcon from the UAE is also developing an anti ship missile called the HAS-250.


@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @JamD @Indos @The SC @Zarvan

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The Saber missile is a ALCM with 1200kg weight, 290km range, a 200kg payload, SATCOM guidance, 0.8 mach speed and a turbofan.

Halcon from the UAE is also developing an anti ship missile called the HAS-250.


@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @JamD @Indos @The SC @Zarvan

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@JamD We could've been making this.

 

[Indos]

The Saber missile is a ALCM with 1200kg weight, 290km range, a 200kg payload, SATCOM guidance, 0.8 mach speed and a turbofan.

Halcon from the UAE is also developing an anti ship missile called the HAS-250.


@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @JamD @Indos @The SC @Zarvan

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Cooperation between UAE and Indonesia SOE is getting closer, some project with SOE Defense Holding is also in the pipeline, we will see what will happen in the next 1-3 years under Jokowi administration. But the close relationship would likely continue even after Jokowi is replaced in 2024 (his final term), just like when South Korea was getting closer with Indonesia since SBY administration.

 

[Bilal.]

@JamD We could've been making this.

We have been making RAAD and then RAAD-2. The expertise has been there for the decade now, isn’t it? Then why “could have been”?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

We have been making RAAD and then RAAD-2. The expertise has been there for the decade now, isn’t it? Then why “could have been”?

We don't have a conventionally-focused ALCM. Something small, <300 km, and low-cost. It's likely to do with the knowledge for that being split across different departments in the industry, so no room for horizontal collaboration.

 

[Philip the Arab]

They are also developing a 120km range cruise missile pictured on the top and a anti ship missile pictured in the bottom.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

We don't have a conventionally-focused ALCM. Something small, <300 km, and low-cost. It's likely to do with the knowledge for that being split across different departments in the industry, so no room for horizontal collaboration.

PAF's focus was on glide bombs for Stand of range weapons.so that's may be the reason AWC didn't develop something like Raad-lite.

Another reason may be that AWC after developing Raad 2 (it's a recent development),started working on next Supersonic air launched cruise missile along with NESCOM,so they may not had time to develop conventional version of Raad.

 

[Bilal.]

We don't have a conventionally-focused ALCM. Something small, <300 km, and low-cost. It's likely to do with the knowledge for that being split across different departments in the industry, so no room for horizontal collaboration.

Same evolution as Nasr to Fatah MRLS. When they feel the need, they will develop it I guess.

 

[JamD]

@JamD We could've been making this.

We have been making RAAD and then RAAD-2. The expertise has been there for the decade now, isn’t it? Then why “could have been”?

We don't have a conventionally-focused ALCM. Something small, <300 km, and low-cost. It's likely to do with the knowledge for that being split across different departments in the industry, so no room for horizontal collaboration.

PAF's focus was on glide bombs for Stand of range weapons.so that's may be the reason AWC didn't develop something like Raad-lite.

Another reason may be that AWC after developing Raad 2 (it's a recent development),started working on next Supersonic air launched cruise missile along with NESCOM,so they may not had time to develop conventional version of Raad.

Same evolution as Nasr to Fatah MRLS. When they feel the need, they will develop it I guess.

I suspect (read hope) that the PAF decided it wasn't worth lobbing conventional small Ra'ad-lites when you can do the job with IREK and REK-III. Those would certainly be cheaper in the 100-200 km range.

There is a 200-350 km conventional SOW gap but the PAF probably doesn't feel its worth filling it. This is where the Ra'ad-Lite/Saber would fit in. Maybe its a cost thing. Maybe its the reliability of a cheap system (GPS denied environments etc).


I'm just trying to justify the current state of affairs with what you see in the most optimistic way.

 

[SD 10]

The Saber missile is a ALCM with 1200kg weight, 290km range, a 200kg payload, SATCOM guidance, 0.8 mach speed and a turbofan.

Halcon from the UAE is also developing an anti ship missile called the HAS-250.


@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @JamD @Indos @The SC @Zarvan

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HAve many differences with UAE regarding their politics but DAMN they are really making their mark here!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Philip the Arab]

HAve many differences with UAE regarding their politics but DAMN they are really making their mark here!!!!!!!!!!

They took advantage of Denel dying and it seems to be paying off slowly but surely.

A2A missiles should be next. Their sounding rocket program is very promising for SLV and BM programs.

 

[Bilal.]

I suspect (read hope) that the PAF decided it wasn't worth lobbing conventional small Ra'ad-lites when you can do the job with IREK and REK-III. Those would certainly be cheaper in the 100-200 km range.

There is a 200-350 km conventional SOW gap but the PAF probably doesn't feel its worth filling it. This is where the Ra'ad-Lite/Saber would fit in. Maybe its a cost thing. Maybe its the reliability of a cheap system (GPS denied environments etc).


I'm just trying to justify the current state of affairs with what you see in the most optimistic way.

There isn’t any other explanation other than there wasn’t a the need for it. Otherwise, the options ranged from developing that class of ALCM to outright buying and neither were exercised.

P.S.: Rather than Raad-lite I would love a cheaper solution (if and when the need arise) the the Raptor-3.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I suspect (read hope) that the PAF decided it wasn't worth lobbing conventional small Ra'ad-lites when you can do the job with IREK and REK-III. Those would certainly be cheaper in the 100-200 km range.

There is a 200-350 km conventional SOW gap but the PAF probably doesn't feel its worth filling it. This is where the Ra'ad-Lite/Saber would fit in. Maybe its a cost thing. Maybe its the reliability of a cheap system (GPS denied environments etc).


I'm just trying to justify the current state of affairs with what you see in the most optimistic way.

It's a cost thing IMO. Manufacturing a 'Ra'ad-Lite' is way more affordable for the US than it is for Pakistan because we're (1) likely importing the core inputs and (2) can't support the fixed overhead of higher-output ALCM production. However, if the PAF floated a requirement to the private sector and enabled the latter to build capacity, I think we could see an affordable Saber/Ra'ad-Lite type ALCM in 5-7 years, if not sooner.

 

[Sage]

We don't have a conventionally-focused ALCM. Something small, <300 km, and low-cost. It's likely to do with the knowledge for that being split across different departments in the industry, so no room for horizontal collaboration.

Why do we need an ALCM with 300 km at all ?

 

[crankthatskunk]

I suspect (read hope) that the PAF decided it wasn't worth lobbing conventional small Ra'ad-lites when you can do the job with IREK and REK-III. Those would certainly be cheaper in the 100-200 km range.

There is a 200-350 km conventional SOW gap but the PAF probably doesn't feel its worth filling it. This is where the Ra'ad-Lite/Saber would fit in. Maybe its a cost thing. Maybe its the reliability of a cheap system (GPS denied environments etc).


I'm just trying to justify the current state of affairs with what you see in the most optimistic way.

Shouldn't it be requirements leading the production rather than costs or any other considerations. If there is a gap, it should be filled, period.
Denial of GPS environment had always been there. But don't they have access to "Baidu" now!!