UAE M2K Upgrades and the JF-17 blk1 , F-16 blk52

[Taygibay]

Yes 45 miles to its target Basel but that's not how an AASM works.
It does 60km but in a very different way.

Ours goes into a ballistic positioning and then attacks from straight above.
The precision is not the same either. JDAM is 5-10M/AASM is 1 meter.

It is not tech fielded prior by the US but something else entirely.

Different ways, that's all, Tay.

 

[BON PLAN]

dear US fielded years ago when France didn't even have clue of this tech and you think they have stopped developing weapons. How stupid. Did France have SDBs? List can go on and on. @gambit your opinion please.

This SDB-2 can fly more then 45 miles to its target.

The 125kg HAMMER will be better than SDB2. SDB is a glide bomb. Not able to go deeper right or left ot the flying line. Hammer is. Hammer can be fired from low altitude, open its booster, climb and hit a target vertically or near horizontaly. All things SDB1/2/3? can't do.

And please, don't compare what USA can developp and what France can. France is 6 time smaller than USA !
It's better to compare USA and EU. But unfortunately for some years some country in EU will developp same weapons (4 AA destroyers, 4 anti ship missile, 2 SSN, some SSK, 4 MBT ....). It's a lack of energy.

 

[Khafee]

Stephen

As per this web page v2.0.6 / 01 jan 15 / greg goebel
http://www.airvectors.net/avmir2k.html
Which taken account every update in Mirage 2000 Programme since Year 2000.

There is no confirmation of any new/updated Engine to M53 P3 in Indian Mirage Updates.
As per this web page all Indian Mirages2000H went to an upgrade to Mirage2000-5 Mark2 Specs.

And Mark 2 Specs are;

Engine: M53 P2
Radar: RDY 2
EW/ECM: ICMS 3

There is absolutely no information on Web that Indian Mirages are upgraded to what your described in your above mail.
If you have any concrete information, Pls share Source.

@Tameem @Basel @Blue Marlin @ghazi768 @volatile
You must understand something: When someone pays $40m a pop, for 2 decades old tech, then they have to create things to justify it. I wouldn't wait for a credible source. Let the fanboys rant, in the real world, that's what it is - rants!!

 

[volatile]

@Tameem @Basel @Blue Marlin @ghazi768 @volatile
You must understand something: When someone pays $40m a pop, for 2 decades old tech, then they have to create things to justify it. I wouldn't wait for a credible source. Let the fanboys rant, in the real world, that's what it is - rants!!

Yes absolutely . Real question is LCA cost with AESA should be more or less the same and capability wise both platform should be same as per Indian fans and analyst so whats the point other than corruption

 

[John Reese]

Stephen

As per this web page v2.0.6 / 01 jan 15 / greg goebel
http://www.airvectors.net/avmir2k.html
Which taken account every update in Mirage 2000 Programme since Year 2000.

There is no confirmation of any new/updated Engine to M53 P3 in Indian Mirage Updates.
As per this web page all Indian Mirages2000H went to an upgrade to Mirage2000-5 Mark2 Specs.

And Mark 2 Specs are;

Engine: M53 P2
Radar: RDY 2
EW/ECM: ICMS 3

There is absolutely no information on Web that Indian Mirages are upgraded to what your described in your above mail.
If you have any concrete information, Pls share Source.

The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard , including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. These will be tied into a joint tactical information data link system (JTIDS, usually Link 16 compatible but not always), plus helmet-mounted sights for wide-angle heat-seeking missiles. As part of the upgrade, the aircraft will also be equipped with MBDA’s Mica family of medium range missiles.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/indias-fighter-upgrades-mirage-2000s-next-02891/

 

[Tameem]

The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard , including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. These will be tied into a joint tactical information data link system (JTIDS, usually Link 16 compatible but not always), plus helmet-mounted sights for wide-angle heat-seeking missiles. As part of the upgrade, the aircraft will also be equipped with MBDA’s Mica family of medium range missiles.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/indias-fighter-upgrades-mirage-2000s-next-02891/

Against this article of September 2014 when no Mirage upgrade started actually, Let me quote you an Article from May-2015, when this process already been starts in France and Two have arrived in India in April2015.

"The first two upgraded Mirage 2000 multi-role fighters arrived at their home base at Air Force Station (AFS) Gwalior, last month. The ferry trip to India from France via Greece, Egypt and Qatar, was completed in seven days, including halts."

And Upgraded Includes

"The upgraded multi-role fighter will be substantially more capable than the IAF’s existing Mirage 2000 H/TH versions and are much more than a 1:1 replacement in terms of operational capability. Upgraded Mirage 2000 T/TIs will be able to accomplish longer-range detection across the entire spectrum, improved tactical situation awareness, longer-range weapon firing against multiple simultaneous targets, weapon stealth and extended operating envelope with the capability to engage ground targets while countering airborne threats. Aircraft serviceability will also be significantly improved as a result of the installation of modern digital systems and state-of-the-art weapons, along with cheaper life cycle costs (LCC)."

http://www.forceindia.net/TimelyArrival.aspx

No-where at above there is any talk of New engine (M53 P3), when it should be as it is a major update. I have no full version of this article but there are some rumors at some other forum while debating on the same article that Mr. Atul Chandra in May-2015 Air Force Magazine stated that "IAF declined this engine upgrade"

Quote
Prasun,
1) You have stated that the Mirage 2000 upgradation deal includes the engines. Upgrading them from M53-P2 to M53-P3. But in the latest edition of Force magazine - Mr Atul Chandra states that IAF has declined this engine upgrade. So which news is correct.
Unquote

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2015/05/small-arms-developed-by-arde-ofb.html

Therefore, it is to be safely declares that no article on the web currently claims that the upgraded Indian Mirage2000H to a level which indian posters are talking about for sometime.

Maybe some knowledgeable person (@Taygibay) from French side can shed light on it on PDF.

 

[John Reese]

Against this article of September 2014 when no Mirage upgrade started actually, Let me quote you an Article from May-2015, when this process already been starts in France and Two have arrived in India in April2015.

"The first two upgraded Mirage 2000 multi-role fighters arrived at their home base at Air Force Station (AFS) Gwalior, last month. The ferry trip to India from France via Greece, Egypt and Qatar, was completed in seven days, including halts."

And Upgraded Includes

"The upgraded multi-role fighter will be substantially more capable than the IAF’s existing Mirage 2000 H/TH versions and are much more than a 1:1 replacement in terms of operational capability. Upgraded Mirage 2000 T/TIs will be able to accomplish longer-range detection across the entire spectrum, improved tactical situation awareness, longer-range weapon firing against multiple simultaneous targets, weapon stealth and extended operating envelope with the capability to engage ground targets while countering airborne threats. Aircraft serviceability will also be significantly improved as a result of the installation of modern digital systems and state-of-the-art weapons, along with cheaper life cycle costs (LCC)."

http://www.forceindia.net/TimelyArrival.aspx

No-where at above there is any talk of New engine (M53 P3), when it should be as it is a major update. I have no full version of this article but there are some rumors at some other forum while debating on the same article that Mr. Atul Chandra in May-2015 Air Force Magazine stated that "IAF declined this engine upgrade"

Quote
Prasun,
1) You have stated that the Mirage 2000 upgradation deal includes the engines. Upgrading them from M53-P2 to M53-P3. But in the latest edition of Force magazine - Mr Atul Chandra states that IAF has declined this engine upgrade. So which news is correct.
Unquote

Therefore, it is to be safely declares that no article on the web currently claims that the upgraded Indian Mirage2000H to a level which indian posters are talking about for sometime.

Maybe some knowledgeable person (@Taygibay) from French side can shed light on it on PDF.

I'm more talking about radar upgrade

To RDR -3 which you mentioned

Don't about engine

As more content
It's already posted by
Experts long time before

Care to reach Your self

Here MK2 upgrade in detail

http://www.defenceupdate.in/dassault-mirage-2000-indian-air-force-multirole-fighter-plane/

 

[Tameem]

I'm more talking about radar upgrade

To RDR -3 which you mentioned

Don't about engine

As more content
It's already posted by
Experts long time before

Care to reach Your self

Here MK2 upgrade in detail

http://www.defenceupdate.in/dassault-mirage-2000-indian-air-force-multirole-fighter-plane/

As per this article not only Engine is old but at the same time EW/ECM suite upgraded to ICMS4 level no where to be seen clearly.

While in below March 2015 article, NDTV claims Radar in new upgrades same as RDY-2.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/the-mirage-2000-upgrade-what-makes-indias-fighter-jet-better-749715

 

[Taygibay]

I can confirm that there is no engine change included in the T/TI upgrade.
It's really everywhere to find too :
"Key elements of the upgrade include a Thales RDY fire-control radar and new glass cockpit avionics equipment, as well as the integration of MBDA’s Mica short-/beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile. Images released by Dassault show two of the weapons being carried by each upgraded aircraft."
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...a-accepts-first-upgraded-mirage-2000s-410545/

This said, it was a wise choice since the IAF feels as secure on one M53-P2
as on two Al_31FP. And they'll get M-88s with their Rafales ... if & when.

Good day all, Tay.

 

[John Reese]

As per this article not only Engine is old but at the same time EW/ECM suite upgraded to ICMS4 level no where to be seen clearly.

While in below March 2015 article, NDTV claims Radar in new upgrades same as RDY-2.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/the-mirage-2000-upgrade-what-makes-indias-fighter-jet-better-749715

NDTV seriously its

That's not authentic source
Like defence daily
Aviationst or Flight global

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Tameem @Khafee

The FACT is that India's Mirage 2000 after upgradation is
superior to PAF F 16 Block 52

Whether you like it or not is another matter

That is why we have spent so much money on this project

It was With a specific aim that -- the upgraded Mirage has to be better than Block 52 F 16

 

[Khafee]

Here is a Dassault publication from 2005, which should tell you something of the Mirage 2000-9 capabilities we had.