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UAE criticises Ahmadinejad visit to Iran's own Persian Gulf island!!

Well Era mate earlier Mossa or Somebozo were complaining that Mods had been paid to allow us to insult them. So I guess this means if no one likes the mods they must be fair :rofl:

That's the thing. They think by exposing the Arab monarchies and their vile deeds, we are insulting them personally. They don't know what is personal attack. It is almost as if they are the representatives of Arab monarchies in the forum and exposing Arab monarchies constitutes to insulting them personally.:tdown:
 
They are not claiming Tehran, they are claiming the Island that Iran forcibly took over while the matter was being resolved diplomatically. C'mon you're behaving like might is right is a good concept. Why do you decry India's occupation of Kashmir? They took it forcibly too right?

I thanked you and then realised that i was led to believe the Islands were sold. Is that not correct?
 
wow 182 posts..deffinetly a hot topic..damn, now i need to start reading from post #1 to post #182 which means i am gonna kill my 2 hours
 
They are not claiming Tehran, they are claiming the Island that Iran forcibly took over while the matter was being resolved diplomatically. C'mon you're behaving like might is right is a good concept. Why do you decry India's occupation of Kashmir? They took it forcibly too right?

Ok, now do not equate Kashmir with a small desert Island in a salt sea. Kashmir has UN resolutions for its arbitration. These Islands have only UAE claim. Not even a UN resolution. UAE was made in 1971. How can it lay claim over Iranian territory is beyond me. Pakistan is on the other hand is atleast a day older than India officially. So as we like we can even claim not only Kashmir but also Hyderabad if we wanted to. And as I said it before, there is not legal framework and no UN backing for UAE claim. So if they are claiming that, it is either just talk or it is war. As I mentioned above, it is just talk, because they can not go to war with a country that is much much bigger than them. Beside Iran was still a pretty advanced nation even before the discovery of oil. These lands were uninhabited before the discovery of oil and only Bedouins lived there whose life depended on small time shore fishing. When oil runs out as it will eventually, UAE will need Iran to do trade with. Iran will not need UAE one bit. So it is all talk.
 
Some facts about the islands i found in an article,worth reading.
This is link to full article (i suggest you read the whole of it)
The Persian Gulf - Abu Musa & The Tunbs, History and Information


Some of the UAE Arguments: The following two are the main points argued by the United Arab Emirates and Iran's response to them:


1-Priority in occupation:


The first is the argument of "priority in occupation". This claim is vague and ignores the following facts:


A- Whereas the emirates appeared on the political map of
the region only in 19th century, Iran was an ancient nation
and was the only government in the vicinity of these
islands at the time. All historical documents verify that
all islands of northern half of the Persian Gulf have
always belonged to Iran.


B- Ras al-Khaimeh did not exist at the turn of 20th
century, and Sharjah was not, at the time, an emirate of
territorial dimension to be able to claim offshore
territories. The Sheikh was a tribal chief under British
protection, whose authority was to the tribal people
without territorial definition. One should not ignore the
fact that British pretext for taking control in the Persian
Gulf was to suppress the activities of the same tribes,
then referred to by them as "pirates" of no political
entity, let alone territorial dimension.


C- In the nineteenth century, Iran had lease arrangements
with Oman, according to which Fath Ali Shah in 1811 and
Naser ad-Din Shah in 1856 granted the Sultan lease title to
Bandar Abbas, Minab and southern Persian Gulf coastal areas
from east to west as far as Bahrain. If all these areas
belonged to Iran, the islands of Abu Musa and the two Tunbs
situated in its geographical centre could not have been
"unoccupied".


D- Iran's sovereignty and ownership of these islands, as
well as all other offshore and inland areas of the country,
were traditionally established without the display of flags
of identity. Marking occupation or ownership of territory
by hoisting flags was a new concept introduced to the
region by European powers.


E- Nevertheless, in 1887 Iran hoisted flags in Sirri and
Abu Musa to mark her ownership of these islands after
dismissing the Qasemi deputy governors of Bandar Lengeh.


F- Geographical documents from Arab & Islamic historians of
the post-Islamic era confirm that all islands of the
Persian Gulf belonged to Iran.


G- Prime Minister Haji Mirza Aqasi's 1840s proclamation of
Iran's ownership of all islands in the Persian Gulf was not
challenged by any government then or at any time
thereafter.


H- An official British document verifies that after the
establishment of one branch of the Qasemi family at Lengeh,
the family occupied the Iranian islands, probably in the
"confused period subsequent to the death of Nadir Shah".
This story is an admission that Tunbs, Abu Musa and Sirri
islands belonged to Iran and were illegally occupied at a
time when Iran in practice was leaderless.


I- More than 25 official or semi-official British maps of
18th and 19th centuries discovered by this author confirm
Iran's ownership of these islands.


J- Sir E. Beckett, legal expert of British Government at
the Foreign Office (who later served as a judge at the
International Court of Justice) ruled in 1932 that the
Iranians possessed sovereignty over Tamb and Abu Musa in
1887-88.

2-Nineteenth-century correspondence:


Apart from resorting to these old and long exhausted
arguments put forward by the British during the colonial
era, the UAE bases its claims over these islands on a
number of letters exchanged between the Qasemis of Bandar
Lengeh, Sharjah and Ras al-Khaimeh. Some of these letters
date as far back as 1864. They are contradictory and make
fanciful claims on various localities up and down the
region.
The most important of these letters was written by Shaikh
Yusef Al-Qasemi of Bandar Lengeh to the Sheikh of Ras
al-Khaimeh, in which the latter states: "the island of Tunb
actually or in reality is for you". There is little doubt
about the nature of this sentence as a standard oriental
compliment. A few lines below this statement, Shaikh Yusef
adds a further compliment: "and the town of Lengeh is your
town". No one has ever been under any illusion, then or at
any other time, that Port Lengeh had ever belonged to any
country but Iran. When this reference to Lengeh as
belonging to the Sheikh of Ras al-Khaimeh has never been
and cannot be taken as anything other than a
courtesy/compliment, one must ask, how could a similar
reference to Tunb Island be taken literally? Certainly the
expression "mi case es su casa" ought not to be.
When in 1929 King Abdul-Aziz of Saudi Arabia wrote to the
Sheikh of Bahrain complaining about the treatment of his
subjects there, received a letter of from the Sheikh who
states that "Bahrain, Qatif, Hasa and Nejd were all one and
belong to Your Majesty". Certainly inclusion of Bahrain in
that list could not have been but pure compliment.
International Reaction:
International reaction to the UAE claims to the Iranian
owned islands of Abu Musa and the two Tunbs has been one of
impartiality in spite of ten years of campaign by Abu Dhabi
for politicising and internationalising the issue. Despite
the issue of routine statements by the Arab League and the
Arabic countries forming the (Persian) GCC in support of
UAE position, Arab states on the whole remain impartial and
privately apologise to the Iranian authorities for "having
to sign" those statements. This hypocrisy clearly
represents Arab scepticism of these claims, especially at a
time when Arab-Iranian cooperation is high on the political
agenda of both sides in the Persian Gulf.
Of the major powers in the West none has taken side in this
dispute. Politicians from time to time tried to murmur
support for Abu Dhabi but stopped playing games as soon as
they were reminded of their government's impartiality in
the matter. This was particularly true of former UK Foreign
Office Minister, Late Derrick Fatched. He stopped all the
activities he had started in support of Abu Dhabi as soon
as the prominent Iranian scholar and reseracher "Dr. Pirouz
Mojtahedzadeh" wrote and reminded him that it was his
government that negotiated and legally settled the issue of
these islands with Iran in 1971.
 
That's what I thought I thought UAE Iran relations were better than other Arab Iran relations. Must say was surprised first at them requesting we leave Shamsi base with Americans and now this needless tiff



Well Era mate earlier Mossa or Somebozo were complaining that Mods had been paid to allow us to insult them. So I guess this means if no one likes the mods they must be fair :rofl:

Actually it is Oman that has the best relations with Iran. Both are old countries so they have ties that go over centuries and both are very respectful of each other. As for the mods, I think they are doing an above average work here. Though from time to tome their smart ammos do make collateral causalities but over all PDF mods are one of the best in all internet forums. You would never find such a diversity in a defense forum anywhere else, and to large part this is because of the mods. But be careful thanking them or appreciating them since it would interfere with their judging capabilities. For them to remain impartial and helping them to remain so, I even avoid thanking their posts as much as I can with some exceptions. That is the life of a judge.
 
It's a pity we do not have a UAE national to respond to Era. Maybe Assim can respond. It seems like an open and shut case on the basis of above

Yeah, its sad some nationalities are under represented on PDF and we have to play the advocate game for them in order for discussion to move. Maybe we should ask their ambassador to join PDF. We have American Government representatives here so why not UAE? But at any rate, their claim is baseless and they will never get those Islands. Iran is a powerful country. UAE has to even burn oil to desalinate water for drinking. When oil runs out, where they are going to get water from? Iran? Pakistan? Should we sell them by barrel with deferred payment option or by liter and upfront payment option?
 
Yeah, its sad some nationalities are under represented on PDF and we have to play the advocate game for them in order for discussion to move. Maybe we should ask their ambassador to join PDF. We have American Government representatives here so why not UAE? But at any rate, their claim is baseless and they will never get those Islands. Iran is a powerful country. UAE has to even burn oil to desalinate water for drinking. When oil runs out, where they are going to get water from? Iran? Pakistan? Should we sell them by barrel with deferred payment option or by liter and upfront payment option?

From what I can see they don't have an argument. These are Iran's islands.
 
Now i just want to remind to these Arab countries that the situation will not always be like this.The relations between Iran and your western bosses would not remain like this forever.You are abusing Iran's situation right now,You see Iran is currently under sanctions and want a share of it.remember that Iran,under all the pressure,isolation and dirty games you are playing,still can crush all of you together.Saddam Hussein also claimed Iran's land,he wanted to take the islands,but look where he is now.This nation fought 8 bloody years,sacrificed 500,000 of it's best youths and stood against a barking dog who called himself leader of most powerful Arab nation.You should know that you are too tiny claim even a particle of Iranian soil.
 
Now i just want to remind to these Arab countries that the situation will not always be like this.The relations between Iran and your western bosses would remain like this forever.You are abusing Iran's situation right now,You see Iran is currently under sanctions and want a share of it.remember that Iran,under all the pressure,isolation and dirty games you are playing,still can crush all of you together.Saddam Hussein also claimed Iran's land,he wanted to take the islands,but look where he is now.This nation fought 8 bloody years,sacrificed 500,000 of it's best youths and stood against a barking dog who called himself leader of most powerful Arab nation.You should know that you are too tiny claim even a particle of Iranian soil.

Era mate I can understand you getting emotional but I think you put your case very well in Post 185 and in the absence of rebuttal it stands. These islands are Iranian. I think UAE are just being pushed to take these unfriendly acts by Americans
 
As what i can see in the pics,these people are not UAE nationals.
Ahmadinejad's visit to Abu Musa:
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hmm, just lol!
these arabs just want that we smash them!< these three islands are our own and if anyone want to get them , ok we will lunch 5000 missles per day at their dubai , and then we must see that americans laughing at those emirates , hehe

USA won't help UAE , because they don't want that their forces be burned.

the react of world to irans missle:
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That's what I thought I thought UAE Iran relations were better than other Arab Iran relations. Must say was surprised first at them requesting we leave Shamsi base with Americans and now this needless tiff
America makes the world go around. We were the primary player in leasing Shamsi to America and when we decided not to do that any more, that base got vacated. UAE, paid us a courtesy visit, when American beckons something people have to show they are making things happen.

This tiff is real, as the land was forcibly taken. It should have been resolved diplomatically. Iran can't defend against a US attack from the Islands even today. So it has benefited them in no way.

Well Era mate earlier Mossa or Somebozo were complaining that Mods had been paid to allow us to insult them. So I guess this means if no one likes the mods they must be fair :rofl:
The Irani dude, was complaining that I got mad after he insulted Arabs - doesn't that give him a clue, insult being the operative word here? Personally I am of the opinion if Iran is attacked, Pakistan must oppose, militarily commit troops to prevent any invasion of Iran.

I agree but Iran and UAE need to rise above this I do believe third parties maybe American's are stirring the pot.

In time. The Islands should be shared in some way between Iran and UAE in an attempt to bury the hatchet. Make peace, not war.
 
Asim:

These Island belong to Iran, if you do not like it then okay.
but what part of these belonged to Iran since the time of Darius do you not get?

go to Iran and see the facts.... Xerxes the great had some of his navies on these Islands.
where the hell was UAE back then?
 
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