VCheng
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......... I am happy our Army and nation are one and the same
That is a pity indeed.
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......... I am happy our Army and nation are one and the same
That is a pity indeed.
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Back to thread I doubt Americans will be successful in their nefarious designs with drones or whatnot
I think those Saudi funded institutions are doing the job quite well.
Well you are keeping a count by sitting in Canada.
Good for you.
...the Saudi funded institutions are the problem then stop filling the pockets of the Saudis with cash i.e. stop buying oil from them...
They are doing well in UK and Europe as well mate.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-police-injure-29-officers-3.html#post2907268
If you allege that the Saudi funded institutions are the problem then stop filling the pockets of the Saudis with cash i.e. stop buying oil from them. Doing drone strikes on some mud dwelling in FATA to kill some Ak-47 wielding bearded men is not going to stop the Saudis from funding these institutions.
America , Oil and Terrorism are all linked , that’s what it all comes down to.
The drone strikes haven't stopped because Pakistan is co-op the drone strikes at the highest level. Don't you get it?
Brother, this game is far more dangerous than it seems.There is an American vision and as you rightly put it a Putin vision for our neighbourhood. The problem with American idea is that only India is mildly supportive. The Putin vision is supported by Iran Russia China and Pakistan
Yeap, these drone strikes have saved thousands of Pakistani Lives by taking out terrorists who would otherwise be planning attacks.
The military regards the "good Taleban" as a strategic resource, and hence does not want to go after them. That is the crux of the matter. Will the military continue to do what it think is right for itself, or do what is needed to protect the country?
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And as per old record, whenever we launched big operations, US forces left the border posts and provinces wide open for the Taliban to roam freely.
First ask US/NATO to bring in more soldiers, deploy them on the borders, check the infiltration, destroy the infrastructure available to the taliban inside Afghanistan and then ask us to do something. We have shown quite seriousness and have lost more men and received much more damage compared to the occupying forces in Afghanistan.
Show your seriousness first and then advice us.
Cheng,
the US/NATO is doing the same, no? If they weren't, why would they quietly be backing taleban offices in Doha, Qatar.
it's important to view things on a broader level and not be overly ''fixated''
Contrary to your argument, drone strikes has lead to thousands of pakistanis getting killed. each drone strike with it brings more and more suicide bombings, that is what the US funded / supported TTP does. One drone strike on the Afghan taliban / AQ and the TTP launches a revenge attack. Strange thing is that drone kill AQ / Afghan Taliban men, but revenge is taken by TTP guys who have nothing to do in the jihad in Afghanistan, rather they wait for opportunities of drone and legitimizing their suicide bombing. Even the recent US-declassified material from Osama hideout also says that AQ was not happy with TTP and its strategy. heck even Afghan Taliban and Mullah Omar have shown displeasure and disappointment with TTP and its action, but they still get their suicide bombing in the shape of revenge for a drone strike, which the US knows well and supports such strategy, as it spreads anarchy in Pakistan.
It may have saved some US lives, but it had taken thousands of ordinary Pakistanis lives.
Brother, this game is far more dangerous than it seems.
Now let me give you a glimpse of US plans;
1. Military action against Iran with help from GCC and Israel, if necessary
2. Delicate position of Pakistan
3. Encirclement of China through India, Vietnam, Philippines, South Korea, and Japan.
4. Taiwan issue
5. Rise of India and its role in Afghanistan and influence over Russia
You see? This seems like a chess game. If Putin wants to revive COLD WAR once again! God help us.
I understand the urge to keep a check on US influence. But lot more is needed to accomplish this task. Point is that as long as their are disputes in Asia, USA will get the opportunities to take advantage.
ISAF forces are drawing down after 2014 and will have only a limited role going forward. That is why it is important for Pakistan to be at the table, such as the upcoming meeting in Chicago, to ensure it can work with the Afghan forces directly to ensure on-going co-operation.
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The Drone strikes have been devastatingly effective. Just look at the number of terrorist attacks in Pakistan versus when the Drone campaign picked up tempo in mid-2007. Since then as the drone strikes went up, the number of terrorist attacks in Pakistan went down.
The terrorists living in FATA are too busy avoiding drones than planning terrorist attacks and other major terrorists have been killed. So contrary to your argument that 1 drone strike will create 10 suicide bombers, I think its the other way around. 1 Drone strike has probably avoided 10 potential suicide attacks.
Just a few months ago, the terrorist who planned and executed the Ahmedi Mosque bombing which killed hundreds was taken out in a drone strike. God only knows how many more innocents he would have killed had he been alive.
The Drones are a joint CIA-ISI operation. ISI sends its agents to FATA to case potential targets and that information is relayed back to CIA which takes action against these areas. The targets have included TTP, Afghan Taliban, Haqqanis, and Al Qaeda.
As for Al Qaeda being offended by suicide bombings. It was not due to some humanitarian gesture of all the innocents these beasts killed but due to losing the public and moral support.
So by and large, the drone strikes have been very effective. They have decapitated the TTP, Al Qaeda, and taken out terrorists who would be otherwise plotting more terrorist attacks in Pakistan and planning to kill more innocent Pakistanis. Yes, Drone strikes do sometimes kill innocent people but there is no weapon system on the planet in which that cannot be avoided.
Unfortunately, innocents will die in any war in which the battlefield is civilian populated areas.
Even in World War II, when the Allies invaded Normandy on June 6, 1944, Allied Naval Bombardment to soften up Hitler's Atlantic Wall killed an estimated 4,000 French Civilians. But that doesn't mean that Allies should have not invaded Normandy or the French people would turn against the Allied Armies. The blame lies on the Germans for invading France.
And thus, even if a Drone strike kills an innocent person, I blame these foreign terrorists and these tribals for giving shelter to these foreign terrorists which brought this war here.
Its simple. The Tribals need to stop sheltering foreign terrorists, stop plotting attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And we will leave them alone and they can go back to chopping each other's heads off and starting tribal wars with each other over minor issues and having a life span of 30.