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WASHINGTON, Oct 29 (Reuters) - Three Republican U.S. senators said on Friday they filed legislation to exempt India from sanctions for purchasing a Russian S400 missile defense system, citing the importance of working with allies to stand up against China.

The bill, from Senators Ted Cruz, Todd Young and Roger Marshall, would create a 10-year exemption for member countries of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue - Australia, Japan and India - from sanctions imposed by CAATSA, a sweeping 2017 law intended to punish countries that did business with, among others, Russia's military.


The bill added to calls in Congress to waive sanctions for India.

Republican Senator John Cornyn and Democratic Senator Mark Warner, in a letter to Biden on Tuesday, called for a waiver on the grounds of national security and broader cooperation.


Waiver incoming after all.
 
It doesn't matter whether they will do quid pro quo but the fact that they have ties with a vile terrorist element seal their camp. They should be blockaded and ambassadors sent home not only in PAK but everywhere. They should lose all their allies they have bet on the wrong horse here. There is no way we will sit on the same table as Indians nor eat with anyone who does that it doesn't matter who it is but it will meet our wrath..

I know this is just some partisan shit but the fact that they are even writting such partisan bill alone deserves rapture in all formal ties
 
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LOL what did I tell you folks. The Americans are hypocrites of the first order.

US does what's required, morality, principles, human rights, world rules and look pretty is for others to follow. There should be a award given out by the UN annually for a "nation of shameless" and US will win hands down every year.
 
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It doesn't matter whether they will do quid pro quo but the fact that they have ties with a vile terrorist element seal their camp. They should be blockaded and ambassadors sent home not only in PAK but everywhere. They should lose all their allies they have bet on the wrong horse here. There is no way we will sit on the same table as Indians nor eat with anyone who does that it doesn't matter who it is but it will meet our wrath
You are free to move boss... By the way do you want to use Indus water flowing through India.. Your wrath?? Just ensure that no civil war breaks out in Pak....
 
You are free to move boss... By the way do you want to use Indus water flowing through India.. Your wrath?? Just ensure that no civil war breaks out in Pak....

What? speak english. I don't do civil wars but I do wars and you are my next target. I will regain my colony
 
LOL what did I tell you folks. The Americans are hypocrites of the first order.
CAATSA sanctions are there to target Russian military hardware and to hurt Russian economically. Russians are already struggling economically. There is no CAATSA for China because China is economically strong. Won’t make any difference to Chinese.

CAATSA is simply a geopolitics strategy to weaken US potential enemy, isn’t meant to prove any moral high ground. Now in case of India and other few same purpose is served better by giving few exemptions.
 
India has for decades been a customer of weapons made in the U.S., Russia, France and Israel. But in recent years successive administrations in Washington have tried to wean India off Russian gear, with important wins. But Russia maintains a grip on some major systems, selling nuclear-powered submarines and warships to the Indian armed forces.

The S-400 air defense system, however, looms large.
In 2020, the Trump administration kicked Turkey out of the F-35 program and imposed sanctions under CAATSA after Turkey received its first S-400, a major step against a longtime NATO ally.

Being removed from the F-35 club was a bitter pill for the Turkish government, but Washington and its NATO allies had spent years publicly and privately warning Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan against consummating the deal. Turkish leadership remained defiant throughout, however. Just this past week, Erdogan said he was prepared to buy a second S-400, pledging “nobody will be able to interfere in terms of what kind of defense systems we acquire, from which country, at what level.”
The Indian government “was definitely watching all of that in great detail and all along the way we continued to warn them,” said R. Clarke Cooper, assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs under the Trump administration, now at the Atlantic Council. The message to the Indian government after inking the deal with Russia in 2018 was “‘look, you take delivery of the S-400 you're going to potentially jeopardize interoperability with the United States, and you're going to potentially jeopardize interoperability with other partners that you value,” Cooper said.
The 2017 CAATSA law came in response to Russia’s annexation of Crimea, and was aimed at dissuading countries from buying Russian equipment while also punishing the country’s arms industry. Given the size of Russia's arms exports to the Asia-Pacific region, however, the Trump and Biden administrations worked to balance the law against antagonizing burgeoning allies with a long history of buying Russian gear.
India is a key part of that balancing act, and how the U.S. treats India’s dealings with Russia will have an impact on how other nations will expect to be treated.
The Indian Embassy in Washington did not respond to a request to comment on the potential for sanctions.



Since CAATSA went into effect, the message to countries with long-standing relationships with the Russian defense industry has generally been, “keep your AK-47s, but if you really are looking to have a modern military alongside the United States and partners, don't put that at risk,” Cooper said. “I would be surprised if the Biden team is having any different kind of conversation with the Indian government.”
A senior administration official, who was not authorized to discuss the issue and asked for anonymity, said India's planned defense purchases from Russia are no secret, but “we urge all of our allies and partners to forgo transactions with Russia that risk triggering sanctions,” under CAATSA.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken has not made any determination about sanctions, and “CAATSA does not have any blanket or country-specific waiver provision,” the official said. Any transaction with Russia’s “defense or intelligence sectors must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.”
In Turkey's case, the worry inside NATO was that the powerful Russian radar system that tracks targets for the S-400 would pump valuable information back to Moscow about how the F-35 and other aircraft operate. Leaders in Brussels said there was no chance they would put their F-35s anywhere near that radar system, even if it were operated by an ally.
India remains a massive market for arms exporting countries, accounting for 9.5 percent of all global arms imports in 2020 bested only by Saudi Arabia, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
And billions of that spending will continue to go to Russia.
“Whatever happens, whether it's sanctions or whether it's a waiver, the real challenge for the administration is figuring out how to avoid having to deal with this over and over and over again,” said Stimson’s Lalwani.
In 2023, India will receive the first two of four new frigates from Russia, and in 2025, will begin leasing its third nuclear-powered submarine from Moscow, all major deals already sealed.



“The question will be whether this is going to trigger a wave of sanctions each time,” Lalwani said. “So the other reason the administration will have to work this out with Congress is so this Sword of Damocles isn’t hanging over the relationship for the next five to 10 years because those deals have already been made and signed.”
In March, Senate Foreign Relations Chair Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) sent a letter to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin warning, “if India chooses to go forward with its purchase of the S-400, that act will clearly constitute a significant, and sanctionable, transaction with the Russian defense sector … it will also limit India’s ability to work with the U.S. on development and procurement of sensitive military technology.”
While those major deals will force Washington to reckon with its own policy choices, the industrial competition between the American and Russian defense industries will remain fierce.

In May, the State Department approved the sale of six P-8 submarine-hunting aircraft to India, adding to the 12 Boeing-made aircraft the country already operates. The deals all carry the provision that 30 percent of the manufacturing take place in India, part of Modi’s Make in India program.

A major prize awaits in the coming months, when India decides who will build its new fleet of up to 110 multirole fighter planes. Lockheed Martin is working to sell India on its F-21 fighter, a derivative of the F-16.

Boeing is offering its F-15EX Eagle II and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which is competing with Saab’s Gripen E/F, Dassault’s Rafale, and Eurofighter’s Typhoon, which is produced by a consortium of Airbus, BAE Systems and Leonardo. Russia is thought to be offering both its MiG-35 and Sukhoi Su-35.

The Obama administration’s designation of India as a major defense partner in 2016 was meant as a sign of Washington’s desire to draw closer to New Delhi, while nudging the Indian government to begin shunning some Russian gear.



The deal grants India access to U.S. defense technologies at a level comparable to NATO allies, and came just after Russia lost a $3 billion deal to Boeing to build Apache and Chinook helicopters.
The United States and its influential defense industry are not about to walk away from these deals and a growing relationship with India at a time when the country has become a close ally in deterring China. But with India not about to walk away from its relationship with Russia, Congress and the White House will soon have to decide how much they’re willing to accept.




There is no CAATSA for China because China is economically strong. Won’t make any difference to Chinese.

Second, in consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of State imposed sanctions on the Chinese entity Equipment Development Department (EDD) and its director, Li Shangfu, for engaging in significant transactions with persons on the LSP. These transactions involved Russia’s transfer to China of Su-35 combat aircraft and S-400 surface-to-air missile system-related equipment.


Section 231 of CAATSA and today’s actions are not intended to undermine the military capabilities or combat readiness of any country, but rather to impose costs on Russia in response to its interference in the United States election process, its unacceptable behavior in eastern Ukraine, and other malign activities. Today’s actions further demonstrate the Department of State’s continuing commitment to fully implement CAATSA section 231, which has already deterred billions of dollars-worth of potential arms exports from Russia. State encourages all persons to avoid engaging in transactions with entities on the LSP that may risk sanctions, including high-value, major transactions for sophisticated weapons systems.


 
India does know that China has had theirs (S-400) for quite a while... (3.5 Years to be exact).

I'm pretty sure the knock-off cheaper versions are in the assembly line.

Launch Customer: Pakistan
 
WASHINGTON, Oct 29 (Reuters) - Three Republican U.S. senators said on Friday they filed legislation to exempt India from sanctions for purchasing a Russian S400 missile defense system, citing the importance of working with allies to stand up against China.

The bill, from Senators Ted Cruz, Todd Young and Roger Marshall, would create a 10-year exemption for member countries of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue - Australia, Japan and India - from sanctions imposed by CAATSA, a sweeping 2017 law intended to punish countries that did business with, among others, Russia's military.


The bill added to calls in Congress to waive sanctions for India.

Republican Senator John Cornyn and Democratic Senator Mark Warner, in a letter to Biden on Tuesday, called for a waiver on the grounds of national security and broader cooperation.


Waiver incoming after all.
Wait and see it’s too early, they always play good cop bad cop

Biden was one of the architects of the Kerry lugar bill, the key supporter of the brown amendment and was given Pakistani awards for his support. He was actually around when paksitan supported the US in 1965, 1971 and almost all of the turning points in Pakistan’s history. His institutional connections and knowledge of Pakistan is As old as Pakistan. I think he will resist calls for India not following his line. The first such cold shoulder was when modi met him, the second was AUKUS, the third strike would be CATSA. All powers don’t like folks who sit on the fence. If I were Biden I would put catsa sanctions and curtail the trade deficit between india and America which will drastically hit indias pharmaceutical industry which is a thorn for all American drug manufacturers. If Biden gets his build back better plan he would end India’s dominance in the back office sector. Rejuvenating his manufacturing heart land with information technology service jobs.

This guy is a chess player thinking 5 moves ahead

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It makes no difference. The two headed snakes and their monkeys can dance all they want
 
Kya kiya momeen Imran and Pak ka awam.. when we changed laws of Kashmir.. Now rats in Kashmir are being hunted every day and supporters of Pakistan are crushed.. Kya kiya aapne.. black day declare karke samosa kha rahey he... Chill dude kuch nahi karsakte aap... Your army is just an employment avenue.

You changing the laws has worsened the insurgency and ruined your international credbility. In 2012 it seemed as if the Kashmir insurgency was gone and Kashmiris were fully integrated in Indian society. Now the insurgency is reaching the levels of the 90s.

Why would Pakistan retaliate against this? Pakistan is fully capable of retaliating to India. You saw what happened in Feb/March 2019.
 
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