U.S. Military Taught Officers ‘Hiroshima’ Tactics for ‘Total War’ on Islam

[King Solomon]

So in order to defeat Muslims the US will become a communist country.

Once upen a time there was a communist state before the US tried and failed at their attempt at making war on Muslims in the same way, that communist state ended up breaking into many pieces.

As for your analogy, we got rid of the laggards. Russia today is more powerful and prosperous than USSR at the time the states got independence.

You are desperately diverting the topic when you know you have lost the argument. The fact still stands: US/Russia can nuke Mecca/Medina if it comes down to that and Muslims are powerless against it.

 

[anonymus]

So in order to defeat Muslims the US will become a communist country.

Once upen a time there was a communist state before the US tried and failed at their attempt at making war on Muslims in the same way, that communist state ended up breaking into many pieces.

No they would have to simply drill for Oil in Alaska which is out of bound due to environmental reasons today or start exploiting shale oil which would become economical in $120/barrel Crude.

Err......I have answered your question in context of S 19 post...

 

[King Solomon]

No they would have to simply drill for Oil in Alaska which is out of bound due to environmental reasons today or start exploiting shale oil which would become economical in $120/barrel Crude.

Err......I have answered your question in context of S 19 post...

It is due to ignorance of these people like pakdefender. According to an analysis I have read recently, if US and Russia starts drilling their energy and using all on their own, the international price for crude oil would lower to not more than 5 dollars. After shale gas tech the gas price already lowered from $12 to $2 and full scale drilling hasn't started yet.

 

[pakdefender]

I have been thinking of writing a same post since i read a chapter of Energy resources in my geography class few weeks ago.

People in general go on and on regarding Oil being a weapon they can use.They are completely ignorant of few facts...

1.Most of the major consumers of Oil whether it is USA,Russia,China,India,Brazil or EU themselves have reserves which they can use for almost a decades in case of China and India and Couple of Decades in case of USA , Russia and Brazil even if middle east stops pumping oil.

2.Only 20% of Oil Imports of USA comes from middle east and 18% of it from saudi arabia...

3.Reserves of unconventional oil (Shale Oil) are 411 gigatons many more times than of conventional crude.

4.Estimated reserves of Crude in Alaska is more than that of Saudi Arabia.

5.Most of the countries keep their Oil in ground to be immune from Political turmoil.

6.While Oil is only one of the Input in an industrialised economy,most of middle east country are barren of resources other than Oil.Selling Oil is more of an compulsion rather than choice.This is one of the factor that makes middle east crude cheaper than other places as most of the OPEC countries have to pump Oil to meet their budgetary expenses.

7.US is Saudi arabia of world in Anthracite and Bitumen coal.This allows it flexibility to switch to thermal power.

If the oil issue is all that simple then why aren’t the Americans stopping the purchase of oil from Muslim states and instead go to war with them?

 

[anonymus]

Outside of Afghanistan, the WoT could also be argued to be a 'limited war', so why the need for a course on nuking Muslims countries, rather than just nuking Afghanistan?

Academic exercises to study the impact of nuclear war in case of a conflict are completely legitimate - Pakistan has likely done the same with respect to India and possibly Israel. But the studies are driven from the reality of being in conflict with the governments of the two nations and the possibility of those nations militarily attacking Pakistan.

Those studies have not been conducted as an exercise in 'nuking the Hindu/Jewish world because of the religious identities of the people of those nations' but as an exercise in responding to the State attacking Pakistan.

The distinction here is between conducting studies on carrying out nuclear strikes against a State/States when/if the State poses a military threat to the nation, instead of studies on conducting nuclear strikes on States merely because of the religious identities of the residents of those States.

You probably are overreacting...........

Most of the countries have military plans even for unseen and improbable and sometime balls out probabilities.

Us had a war plan Red for invading Canada........

Even Canada had a military plan of invading US known as Defence Scheme one.

5 Unfought Wars That Would Have Changed Everything | Cracked.com

Few days ago a naval offices in India blurted out that amphibious landing in Hongkong would be difficult to support only with two aircraft carriers in long run.....

Countries make plan for hypothetical scenarios all the time...........

 

[King Solomon]

Currently that is probable, but for good reason - the US has after all, as I mentioned, been the cause of a great degree of damage to Pakistan, both directly and indirectly, and its military is parked across from Pakistan's borders thousands of miles away from home.

The Pakistani State and its institutions, ignoring the paranoid conspiracy nuts claiming the ISI hid OBL, has done nothing to directly harm the US. Pakistan had a strong alliance with the US during the Cold War, and it was the US that broke off that relationship after the Cold War had ended through a very public imposition of sanctions on Pakistan over its nuclear program.

In the current geo-political climate, if Pakistan had the ability to attack the US with nuclear weapons, it would certainly be doing so, not because the US was an 'infidel Satan', but because the US is currently acting like a hostile entity towards Pakistan. Again, the distinction here being one of animosity towards a State because of the actions of that State, and animosity towards an entire peoples because of the religion/race of those peoples.

The US military mindset, as this course suggests and as Muse reported, was not one of simple animosity towards Pakistan because of perceived halfhearted cooperation in the WoT, but because of a general dehumanizing of the Muslim world.

It is much like the Muslim-Jew hatred. Most muslims hate jews because they have been indoctrinated to do so by various religious clerics. Even if Israel had offered numerous peace plans in the past, this animosity towards Jews meant that they were not accepted. You may argue about the settlements and other factors, but the hatred is still there and cannot be denied. Perhaps the same would apply to most Jews towards muslims.

So, as the Jews now share a good relationship with USA, muslims consider USA as a great adversary as well. So, I do not think most of pakistan soldiers would hate US just because of its perceived unfair treatment of pakistan, but because of this hatred which actually stems from the hatred of Jews, translated to hatred for Jew's supporters which is USA. Add to that the conspiracy theories of Israeli lobby, US, Zionist conspiracy etc being propagated everywhere. A simple search on google insights and youtube stats would prove that muslims and pakistan people are the fondest of these conspiracy theories.

Similarly, in case of US, since 9/11, Muslims were projected as an eternal enemy of the western civilization who wants to destroy the west by suicide bombing and terror attacks etc. Whether that is possible or not is a different issue but that is the image which media created. Now US military officers and everyone became affected by these psy-ops and their hatred is because of the hidden animosity towards Muslims created by the media, rather than the perceived heedlessness of pakistan towards war on terror.

 

[pakdefender]

That is what we are trying to figure out. How can Egyptian's, Bangladeshi's, Somalians, Jordanians, Pakistani's, Afghan's do that without ICBM or blue water navy?

I am having a hard time understanding this assertion.

How do you know we dont have ICBMs , we might be having them but just not declared

US presence is near by in Afghansitan which can be targeted and US presence is in all Gulf states which will be targetted. If we move our misslies to Saudi Arabia then we'll be able engage even more targets from there.

 

[anonymus]

If the oil issue is all that simple then why aren’t the Americans stopping the purchase of oil from Muslim states and instead go to war with them?

Why do you think that oil is the only reason that US is at war with muslims??

A lot of non muslim countries are much more resourceful than muslim countries.....

I forgot to add that Venezuela has maximum proven oil reserves in world........

List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you are again overstating the importance of Oil...........

Muslim countries do not have anything to sell except Oil in most cases and are in Desert areas where they cannot even grow their own food.

Oil is not a resource which is not inaccessible with money.

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And don't blame your incompetencies on US........

Even today if there is genocide in Middle east people run to US to get it stopped .......

Who gave a chance to US to invade Iraq in 1991??

Was it not Saddam????Didn't he waged a bankrupting war with Iran and invaded kuwait which lead to whole bunch of GCC countries to plead on the doors of US to save them???

How differently should USA have behaved after 9/11 ?

Didn't the bunch of Arab countries from Qatar to Saudi goaded an unwilling US to topple gaddafi?Heck they even contributed their aircrafts for the campaign........


A question.......

Why don't US invade the muslim country of malaysia for palm oil??????

 

[King Solomon]

How do you know we dont have ICBMs , we might be having them but just not declared

US presence is near by in Afghansitan which can be targeted and US presence is in all Gulf states which will be targetted. If we move our misslies to Saudi Arabia then we'll be able engage even more targets from there.

Before thinking offensive, better plan how you'd defend yourself. US can vaporize pakistan within a couple of minutes if it wishes. All it would take is a presidential command and press of a few buttons. Better come out of fantasy land.

 

[VCheng]

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In the current geo-political climate, if Pakistan had the ability to attack the US with nuclear weapons, it would certainly be doing so, not because the US was an 'infidel Satan', but because the US is currently acting like a hostile entity towards Pakistan. ................

Absolutely incorrect. If Pakistan had the ability to attack the US with nuclear weapons, it would certainly be doing so, precisely because a majority of its people (and increasingly its military too) view the US was an 'infidel Satan'. (Witness your own words in many threads, and many of the posts that you have thanked.)

 

[pakdefender]

Before thinking offensive, better plan how you'd defend yourself. US can vaporize pakistan within a couple of minutes if it wishes. All it would take is a presidential command and press of a few buttons. Better come out of fantasy land.

We will attack the enemy where ever we can find them , we know that the enemy will have more weapons at its disposal so we'll go all out on offense to defend our selves and that would mean attacking anything that is with in reach.

IF we are talking doomsday scenario then its people like you who need to come out of this fantasy that if you do Hiroshima on our Holy sites we'll not be able to do anything in retaliation.

 

[King Solomon]

We will attack the enemy where ever we can find them , we know that the enemy will have more weapons at its disposal so we'll go all out on offense to defend our selves and that would mean attacking anything that is with in reach.

IF we are talking doomsday scenario then its people like you who need to come out of this fantasy that if you do Hiroshima on our Holy sites we'll not be able to do anything in retaliation.

Everybody knows who is the one living in fantasy land. The moment Israel or US Navy launches multimegaton nuclear missiles at Mecca/Medina, violent protests would start in all pro-western muslim governments to take them down like in KSA/pakistan. More muslims would be killed in the local civil wars in muslim countries that will erupt rather than by the nukes that would land in the holy sites. The destruction of the holy sites is indeed considered a vulnerable point of Muslims by the western military strategists and such a scenario has already been practiced I'm sure. Western countries including Isreal will be safe because any insurgency would be bogged down.

And I already showed you how US and Russia would be least affected by any Arab oil embargo.

Russia and China does not care about Mecca/Medina so would remain silent. US/Israel can get away with just some "international condemnation" if they do ever decide to nuke Mecca/Medina.

 

[anonymus]

How do you know we dont have ICBMs , we might be having them but just not declared

ICBM's are not some 50Rs toy that could be made on demand.You need to test a missile even to know that it would work....

All your missiles till now have been brought off the shelf from China and N Korea.(Musharraff admitted to that,don't bring out conspiracy theories regarding him being a traitor) thus you may not be able to appreciate the importance of testing of proof of concept.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/30781.pdf
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ22Df01.html
http://www.missilethreat.com/archives/id.40,page.3/subject_detail.asp
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers5/paper464.html
http://www.fact.com.pk/archives/april/feng/spy.htm

US presence is near by in Afghansitan which can be targeted and US presence is in all Gulf states which will be targetted.

Bases are also defended by missile defence shield and pakistan does not have a missile which could get through it.

If we move our misslies to Saudi Arabia then we'll be able engage even more targets from there.

Assuming Saudi's are stupid enough to give you access.....How would you transport your missile to Saudi??????????????

 

[pakdefender]

Everybody knows who is the one living in fantasy land. The moment Israel or US Navy launches multimegaton nuclear missiles at Mecca/Medina, violent protests would start in all pro-western muslim governments to take them down like in KSA/pakistan. More muslims would be killed in the local civil wars in muslim countries that will erupt rather than by the nukes that would land in the holy sites. The destruction of the holy sites is indeed considered a vulnerable point of Muslims by the western military strategists and such a scenario has already been practiced I'm sure. Western countries including Isreal will be safe because any insurgency would be bogged down.

And I already showed you how US and Russia would be least affected by any Arab oil embargo.

Russia and China does not care about Mecca/Medina so would remain silent. US/Israel can get away with just some "international condemnation" if they do ever decide to nuke Mecca/Medina.

if it was that easy for the americans to destroy Islam , they would have done so by now

Americans burned The Holy Quran on an afghan base but after getting shot in their *** a few times , they went into hiding and begged for an apology but if they do an attack on Makkah and Madina , they will be shot millions of times and no apology or pacification will work, you can be rest assured of this.

I know for sure that in the aftermath of such an event , in Pakistan and Afghansitan , no american will be spared come what may

 

[Wright]

if it was that easy for the americans to destroy Islam , they would have done so by now

Americans burned The Holy Quran on an afghan base but after getting shot in their *** a few times , they went into hiding and begged for an apology but if they do an attack on Makkah and Madina , they will be shot millions of times and no apology or pacification will work, you can be rest assured of this.

I know for sure that in the aftermath of such an event , in Pakistan and Afghansitan , no american will be spared come what may

Dude you need to let it go. The reality is your greatest enemy. You conveniently overlook the fact ONE nation is powerful enough to fight TWO wars simultaneously on the other side of the world in landlocked countries. All the while running Air sorties in Libya, and drone missions in Pakistan, yemen, somalia.

How many countries can do that?

Your country cant sustain a war longer than a week.