U.S. Military Taught Officers ‘Hiroshima’ Tactics for ‘Total War’ on Islam

[VCheng]

this is the most hilarious spin ever, truly epic, what you have done is turned this situation into a positive for the us and alleviated and crime of spreading hate because apparently its up to the officers to be critical of the content. apparently there was only ONE (or a few at most) who objected, only a few!!

never mind that they cannot pass the exam if they dont regurgitate the material!!


and another hilarious thing....truly hilarious and sad.......you referred to this course as "an alternative viewpoint" - thats right, JUST an alternative viewpoint, a mere exercise in gaming out a scenario - truly brilliant spin doctoring - talking about the destruction of mecca and medina as a alternative viewpoint!!

Both your feigned hilarity and your sadness are rooted in ignorance:

College level education here is very different, with no need to regurgitate any material, but rather on critically evaluating all subject matter presented. That is why nobody objected, because they all knew to evaluate it properly. Except of course one, and even his/her complaint will be investigated properly.

The possible destruction of Mecca and Medina is not that far-fetched an idea as you think: the Saudis themselves came close to destroying Masjid-al-Haram in 1979. Read up on it sometime. If such an event occurs nowadays with easier access to more powerful explosives, a small team of miscreants can easily do it.

It is merely prudent to be aware of all possible scenarios.

And I don't worry about the safety of the holy sites because I believe in the promise of Allah to protect them Himself. What are you worried about?

 

[Wright]

Perhaps some of you might recall Muse's posts on the subject of the 'mindset of US Military Officers' he interacted with in Afghanistan and elsewhere - he pointed out that a significant majority of them harbored the very mindset that this course, IMO, was attempting to ingrain into the US Military - one of irrational hate and prejudice towards 'Muslims' in an attempt to dehumanize them.

Muse mentioned his interactions and observations of the US Military mindset to make the point that people advocating for any kind of 'strategic or substantive military/intelligence relationship' between the US and Pakistan were wrong, since the mindset on the US side was geared towards viewing Pakistan as the enemy regardless of how much cooperation Pakistan provided in the 'War on Terror'.

Most armies of Muslim nation's make their soldiers believe they are fighting a Jihad.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

College level education here is very different, with no need to regurgitate any material, but rather on critically evaluating all subject matter presented. That is why nobody objected, because they all knew to evaluate it properly. Except of course one, and even his/her complaint will be investigated properly.

But again, do es the US have (or had) a course studying 'nuking Latin America' given the uncountable resources and lives lost by the US in the 'war on drugs? If this particular course was merely just part of a US Academic tradition of 'critically evaluating all subject matter presented', then surely the far greater losses from the drug trade (compared to the WoT) would have warranted a similar 'study' about 'Hiroshima Tactics against Latin America'.

Most armies of Muslim nation's make their soldiers believe they are fighting a Jihad.

I cannot speak to other Muslim nations, but the Pakistani Army does not teach their officers courses about conducting a genocide of all Christian nations.

Jihad does not equate 'kill all non-Muslims', except in the minds of religious extremists and nutty right wing Westerners.

 

[VCheng]

But again, do es the US have (or had) a course studying 'nuking Latin America' given the uncountable resources and lives lost by the US in the 'war on drugs? If this particular course was merely just part of a US Academic tradition of 'critically evaluating all subject matter presented', then surely the far greater losses from the drug trade (compared to the WoT) would have warranted a similar 'study' about 'Hiroshima Tactics against Latin America'.

Yes, there are many, many courses on waging the drug war in Latin America too. The uses of nuclear weapons are part of discussions of different scenarios too.

 

[King Solomon]

But again, do es the US have (or had) a course studying 'nuking Latin America' given the uncountable resources and lives lost by the US in the 'war on drugs? If this particular course was merely just part of a US Academic tradition of 'critically evaluating all subject matter presented', then surely the far greater losses from the drug trade (compared to the WoT) would have warranted a similar 'study' about 'Hiroshima Tactics against Latin America'.

Well, it is much dependent on the way the media paints the picture. In case of muslims, the picture is that all Muslims are jihadist terrorists. In case of drug dealers, the image was not like that although contingency measures are studied. US military officers and normal citizens alike become brainwashed through that

Perhaps some of you might recall Muse's posts on the subject of the 'mindset of US Military Officers' he interacted with in Afghanistan and elsewhere - he pointed out that a significant majority of them harbored the very mindset that this course, IMO, was attempting to ingrain into the US Military - one of irrational hate and prejudice towards 'Muslims' in an attempt to dehumanize them.

Muse mentioned his interactions and observations of the US Military mindset to make the point that people advocating for any kind of 'strategic or substantive military/intelligence relationship' between the US and Pakistan were wrong, since the mindset on the US side was geared towards viewing Pakistan as the enemy regardless of how much cooperation Pakistan provided in the 'War on Terror'.

The same can be said about the pakistan side of military. I can estimate!

 

[VCheng]

......... the Pakistani Army does not teach their officers courses about conducting a genocide of all Christian nations..............

It is simply because of the fact that the Pakistan Army does not have the means to do so. If it did, it would. Guaranteed.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

That is what we are trying to figure out. How can Egyptian's, Bangladeshi's, Somalians, Jordanians, Pakistani's, Afghan's do that without ICBM or blue water navy?

So, are you suggesting the Iran's alleged quest for nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them to targets in Europe and North America is justified?

Yes, there are many, many courses on waging the drug war in Latin America too.

Course on waging a war in any conflict zone is not an issue - courses studying 'nuking entire nations' certainly is.

The uses of nuclear weapons are part of discussions of different scenarios too.

Could you provide links to courses studying 'nuking Latin America' as a potential tactic in the war on drugs?

It is simply because of the fact that the Pakistan Army does not have the means to do so. If it did, it would. Guaranteed.

That would be utter speculation on your part, something you yourself would adamantly claim you did not want to do during discussions of the Raymond Davis case.

And while the Pakistan Army may not have the means to reach the US with nuclear weapons, it certainly has the ability to target a number of other 'non-Muslim nations' in the region, yet there has been no report of any such 'course' being taught by the Pakistani military.

 

[pakdefender]

US produces about 10 billion barrels/day, position just after Russia and KSA. However, consumes about 19 billion barrels/day.

Even if ALL of its oil imports are stopped, which is very unlikely even if Hormuz is blocked, 10 billion/day is enough for its military.



As I said it depends on the fissile material being used. Chernobyls main problem was the Radon gas which leaked.

Only about 20% of oil imports would be blocked if Hormuz is blocked.

A loss of 20% oil supply is huge, unless the other producers agree to produce more and sell more at lesser cost to meet the shortfall in demand, this will cause very high oil prices perhaps even unsustainable over a long period

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well, it is much dependent on the way the media paints the picture. In case of muslims, the picture is that all Muslims are jihadist terrorists. In case of drug dealers, the image was not like that although contingency measures are studied. US military officers and normal citizens alike become brainwashed through that

The highlighted part is the point being made - that the US military has been 'brainwashed' into dehumanizing the Muslim world - weren't the Nazis similarly 'brainwashed' into justifying genocide in their minds? Do you not see a problem with this mindset, regardless of the cause?

The same can be said about the pakistan side of military. I can estimate!

The Pakistani military is not deployed in the US's backyard. Pakistan has faced severe consequences (economic, security, social) as a result of the hasty and poor US decision to rush into war in Afghanistan, and subsequently Iraq.

 

[VCheng]

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Could you provide links to courses studying 'nuking Latin America' as a potential tactic in the war on drugs?


That would be utter speculation on your part, something you yourself would adamantly claim you did not want to do during discussions of the Raymond Davis case.

And while the Pakistan Army may not have the means to reach the US with nuclear weapons, it certainly has the ability to target a number of other 'non-Muslim nations' in the region, yet there has been no report of any such 'course' being taught by the Pakistani military.

The use of tactical nuclear weapons as defoliants is a part of discussions, certainly, which is what I said. A full course is not needed yet because it is still a limited war.

And I am not speculating anything. ALL global powers with ICBMs conduct such annihilatory exercises. ALL of them. And Pakistan would be no exception if and when it is in that position.

 

[King Solomon]

A loss of 20% oil supply is huge, unless the other producers agress to produce more and sell more at lesser cost to meet the shortfall in demand , this will cause very high oil prices perhaps even unstanable over a long period

In wartime, energy industry would be temporarily nationalized by US. The rise in oil prices would, thus, have little or no effect on US war machine.

Same goes for Russia.

The highlighted part is the point being made - that the US military has been 'brainwashed' into dehumanizing the Muslim world - weren't the Nazis similarly 'brainwashed' into justifying genocide in their minds? Do you not see a problem with this mindset, regardless of the cause?

Of course, I am not trying to justify his genocidal tendencies in any way. This was definitely not a "contengincy" exercise as some people are thinking because the paper proves otherwise,

The Pakistani military is not deployed in the US's backyard. Pakistan has faced severe consequences (economic, security, social) as a result of the hasty and poor US decision to rush into war in Afghanistan, and subsequently Iraq.

I meant, in the context of the mindset of officers. I can estimate that 90%+ officers and soldiers of pakistan's army views US/NATO as "infidel Kafir" nation and an eternal enemy of pakistan nation and all Muslims... Isn't that true?

The only difference is pakistan does not have the means to deliver nuclear weapons to US. Otherwise i'm sure many pakistan officers would be teaching how to wipe out the "infidel Satan" off the map

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The use of tactical nuclear weapons as defoliants is a part of discussions, certainly, which is what I said. A full course is not needed yet because it is still a limited war.

Outside of Afghanistan, the WoT could also be argued to be a 'limited war', so why the need for a course on nuking Muslims countries, rather than just nuking Afghanistan?

And I am not speculating anything. ALL global powers with ICBMs conduct such annihilatory exercises. ALL of them. And Pakistan would be no exception if and when it is in that position.

Academic exercises to study the impact of nuclear war in case of a conflict are completely legitimate - Pakistan has likely done the same with respect to India and possibly Israel. But the studies are driven from the reality of being in conflict with the governments of the two nations and the possibility of those nations militarily attacking Pakistan.

Those studies have not been conducted as an exercise in 'nuking the Hindu/Jewish world because of the religious identities of the people of those nations' but as an exercise in responding to the State attacking Pakistan.

The distinction here is between conducting studies on carrying out nuclear strikes against a State/States when/if the State poses a military threat to the nation, instead of studies on conducting nuclear strikes on States merely because of the religious identities of the residents of those States.

 

[anonymus]

That is a big misconception. Very big one at that. Do you have any idea of the amount of fossil fuel reserves of Russia and USA? It is far more than what Saudi Arabia or the middle east has. Russia is a major energy exporter. USA can be too if it wishes however, it prefers to meddle in ME.

I have been thinking of writing a same post since i read a chapter of Energy resources in my geography class few weeks ago.

People in general go on and on regarding Oil being a weapon they can use.They are completely ignorant of few facts...

1.Most of the major consumers of Oil whether it is USA,Russia,China,India,Brazil or EU themselves have reserves which they can use for almost a decades in case of China and India and Couple of Decades in case of USA , Russia and Brazil even if middle east stops pumping oil.

2.Only 20% of Oil Imports of USA comes from middle east and 18% of it from saudi arabia...

3.Reserves of unconventional oil (Shale Oil) are 411 gigatons many more times than of conventional crude.

4.Estimated reserves of Crude in Alaska is more than that of Saudi Arabia.

5.Most of the countries keep their Oil in ground to use it in case of Political turmoil.

6.While Oil is only one of the Input in an industrialised economy,most of middle east country are barren of resources other than Oil.Selling Oil is more of an compulsion rather than choice.This is one of the factor that makes middle east crude cheaper than other places as most of the OPEC countries have to pump Oil to meet their budgetary expenses.

7.US is Saudi arabia of world in Anthracite and Bitumen coal.This allows it flexibility to switch to thermal power.

 

[pakdefender]

In wartime, energy industry would be temporarily nationalized by US. The rise in oil prices would, thus, have little or no effect on US war machine.

So in order to defeat Muslims the US will become a communist country.

Once upen a time there was a communist state before the US tried and failed at their attempt at making war on Muslims in the same way, that communist state ended up breaking into many pieces.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Of course, I am not trying to justify his genocidal tendencies in any way. This was definitely not a "contengincy" exercise as some people are thinking because the paper proves otherwise,

I meant, in the context of the mindset of officers. I can estimate that 90%+ officers and soldiers of pakistan's army views US/NATO as "infidel Kafir" nation and an eternal enemy of pakistan nation and all Muslims... Isn't that true?

Currently that is probable, but for good reason - the US has after all, as I mentioned, been the cause of a great degree of damage to Pakistan, both directly and indirectly, and its military is parked across from Pakistan's borders thousands of miles away from home.

The Pakistani State and its institutions, ignoring the paranoid conspiracy nuts claiming the ISI hid OBL, has done nothing to directly harm the US. Pakistan had a strong alliance with the US during the Cold War, and it was the US that broke off that relationship after the Cold War had ended through a very public imposition of sanctions on Pakistan over its nuclear program.

The only difference is pakistan does not have the means to deliver nuclear weapons to US. Otherwise i'm sure many pakistan officers would be teaching how to wipe out the "infidel Satan" off the map

In the current geo-political climate, if Pakistan had the ability to attack the US with nuclear weapons, it would certainly be doing so, not because the US was an 'infidel Satan', but because the US is currently acting like a hostile entity towards Pakistan. Again, the distinction here being one of animosity towards a State because of the actions of that State, and animosity towards an entire peoples because of the religion/race of those peoples.

The US military mindset, as this course suggests and as Muse reported, was not one of simple animosity towards Pakistan because of perceived halfhearted cooperation in the WoT, but because of a general dehumanizing of the Muslim world.