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Great news!

Some deliveries may occur as early as this year

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Among the airliners Iran Air plans to buy from Airbus is the A380, the world's largest, in a deal valued at $27 billion. For now it will get smaller craft. PHOTO: REUTERS
By
ROBERT WALL and

DOUG CAMERON
Updated Sept. 21, 2016 4:24 p.m. ET


The U.S. government has given plane makers Boeing Co. and Airbus Group SE the all-clear to deliver jetliners to Iran Air in one of the highest-profile trade breakthroughs since nuclear sanctions were lifted on the Islamic Republic in January.

Western powers removed sanctions on Iran in return for the country agreeing to constrain its nuclear program. Business has been slow to materialize, though, amid concern among western businesses of running afoul of continued U.S. restrictions on doing business with Iran.

Iran Air announced in January it planned to buy Airbus planes, but the transaction stalled amid a lack of approvals from the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control rules. OFAC had to approve the license because a portion of Airbus planes are made in the U.S.

Airbus, which was first to secure a plane deal with Iran, was first to receive the green light to transfer 17 planes to Iran Air, signaling the tide may be turning for doing business with Iran. Hours later Boeing, the world’s largest plane maker by deliveries, said it too had received its corresponding license.

Airbus on Wednesday said some of those deliveries may occur as early as this year, a spokesman said.

Boeing aims to sell 80 jets directly to Iran Air as part of a proposed deal valued at up to $17.6 billion. It would be among the largest by a U.S. firm since the sanctions were loosened. Boeing said Wednesday it remained in talks with Iran Air about an existing tentative deal on plane purchases.

Boeing’s sales team has visited Iran several times this year, though no senior executives have been in attendance.

Iran this year announced multibillion-dollar deals with Airbus and Boeing to kick off a fleet renewal program after years of sanctions. Some of the plane-related trade restrictions predated a disagreement between western powers over the country’s nuclear program and were imposed in the wake of Iran’s revolution in 1979.

The limits on acquiring new planes has left Iran with airlines that operate some of the oldest jetliner fleets. Those have led them to face restrictions on flying to some markets because of the age of the equipment. Some airlines remain under sanction because of U.S. allegations they have links to terrorist activities and Iran’s weapons program.

Iran’s plan to buy western planes has run into opposition in its own country and the U.S. Some U.S. lawmakers are trying to bar the sale of Boeing planes to Iran.

Rep. Peter J. Roskam (R., Ill.), a critic of Iran plane deals, said, “There is a still a long way to go and many more hurdles to overcome before Iran can actually take delivery of these planes—and thankfully Congress is committed to making the process as difficult and expensive as possible.”

Other obstacles remain, including plane financing. The U.S. approval “does not make the use of dollars significantly easier. So any financing will have to be in euro, already a challenge for a dollar-denominated asset,” said Bertrand Grabowski, managing director of aviation finance at DVB Bank SE.

He added that government export credit agencies will have to play “a critical role for the first financing, there is no alternative.” That could be a challenge for Boeing. The U.S. government’s Export-Import bank, which can back plane deals, is restricted from supporting Iran-related transactions. Export credit agencies backing Airbus signaled they are ready to support a deal with Iran.

The Airbus deal had a list price value of $27 billion and included aircraft as diverse as Airbus single-aisle planes and 12 of its flagship A380 superjumbos, which carry a list price of $432.6 million each, though buyers typically get discounts.

The license approval from the U.S. government allows Airbus to deliver A320 single-aisle planes and A330 widebodies to Iran Air. Airbus sought the approvals to expedite the process. The spokesman said the Toulouse-based plane maker expected the U.S. to green light the second license in the coming weeks.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-gives-airbus-go-ahead-to-send-17-airliners-to-iran-1474471204
 
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Boeing, I understand.
But why Airbus.
o_O Why would US need to give permission to a french company?

Says alot about who owns europe now. :d
 
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Boeing, I understand.
But why Airbus.
o_O Why would US need to give permission to a french company?

Says alot about who owns europe now. :d
Majority of parts manufacture by Boeing for Airbus. Subsidiaries .....
 
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But why Airbus.
o_O Why would US need to give permission to a french company?

10% of the components in the Airbus design are US made or owned. In such cases, any exported item with greater then or equal to 10% US made or owned components, the US has a say in whether or not to allow those components, and thus the system, to be exported.

Both the Boeing and Airbus design met this criteria. Both have now been cleared for sale to Iran.
 
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10% of the components in the Airbus design are US made or owned. In such cases, any exported item with greater then or equal to 10% US made or owned components, the US has a say in whether or not to allow those components, and thus the system, to be exported.

Both the Boeing and Airbus design met this criteria. Both have now been cleared for sale to Iran.

OH
shared tech.
Thanks.
 
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Great news!

Some deliveries may occur as early as this year

BN-PX723_iranai_J_20160921110056.jpg
ENLARGE
Among the airliners Iran Air plans to buy from Airbus is the A380, the world's largest, in a deal valued at $27 billion. For now it will get smaller craft. PHOTO: REUTERS
By
ROBERT WALL and

DOUG CAMERON
Updated Sept. 21, 2016 4:24 p.m. ET


The U.S. government has given plane makers Boeing Co. and Airbus Group SE the all-clear to deliver jetliners to Iran Air in one of the highest-profile trade breakthroughs since nuclear sanctions were lifted on the Islamic Republic in January.

Western powers removed sanctions on Iran in return for the country agreeing to constrain its nuclear program. Business has been slow to materialize, though, amid concern among western businesses of running afoul of continued U.S. restrictions on doing business with Iran.

Iran Air announced in January it planned to buy Airbus planes, but the transaction stalled amid a lack of approvals from the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control rules. OFAC had to approve the license because a portion of Airbus planes are made in the U.S.

Airbus, which was first to secure a plane deal with Iran, was first to receive the green light to transfer 17 planes to Iran Air, signaling the tide may be turning for doing business with Iran. Hours later Boeing, the world’s largest plane maker by deliveries, said it too had received its corresponding license.

Airbus on Wednesday said some of those deliveries may occur as early as this year, a spokesman said.

Boeing aims to sell 80 jets directly to Iran Air as part of a proposed deal valued at up to $17.6 billion. It would be among the largest by a U.S. firm since the sanctions were loosened. Boeing said Wednesday it remained in talks with Iran Air about an existing tentative deal on plane purchases.

Boeing’s sales team has visited Iran several times this year, though no senior executives have been in attendance.

Iran this year announced multibillion-dollar deals with Airbus and Boeing to kick off a fleet renewal program after years of sanctions. Some of the plane-related trade restrictions predated a disagreement between western powers over the country’s nuclear program and were imposed in the wake of Iran’s revolution in 1979.

The limits on acquiring new planes has left Iran with airlines that operate some of the oldest jetliner fleets. Those have led them to face restrictions on flying to some markets because of the age of the equipment. Some airlines remain under sanction because of U.S. allegations they have links to terrorist activities and Iran’s weapons program.

Iran’s plan to buy western planes has run into opposition in its own country and the U.S. Some U.S. lawmakers are trying to bar the sale of Boeing planes to Iran.

Rep. Peter J. Roskam (R., Ill.), a critic of Iran plane deals, said, “There is a still a long way to go and many more hurdles to overcome before Iran can actually take delivery of these planes—and thankfully Congress is committed to making the process as difficult and expensive as possible.”

Other obstacles remain, including plane financing. The U.S. approval “does not make the use of dollars significantly easier. So any financing will have to be in euro, already a challenge for a dollar-denominated asset,” said Bertrand Grabowski, managing director of aviation finance at DVB Bank SE.

He added that government export credit agencies will have to play “a critical role for the first financing, there is no alternative.” That could be a challenge for Boeing. The U.S. government’s Export-Import bank, which can back plane deals, is restricted from supporting Iran-related transactions. Export credit agencies backing Airbus signaled they are ready to support a deal with Iran.

The Airbus deal had a list price value of $27 billion and included aircraft as diverse as Airbus single-aisle planes and 12 of its flagship A380 superjumbos, which carry a list price of $432.6 million each, though buyers typically get discounts.

The license approval from the U.S. government allows Airbus to deliver A320 single-aisle planes and A330 widebodies to Iran Air. Airbus sought the approvals to expedite the process. The spokesman said the Toulouse-based plane maker expected the U.S. to green light the second license in the coming weeks.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-gives-airbus-go-ahead-to-send-17-airliners-to-iran-1474471204

Why only 17 planes?
 
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You know, what will be really awesome? F-16 production facilities in Iran :yahoo:That way, Iran makes planes, Pakistan gets spares, Israel improves relations with Iran and Boeing makes money. India happy that Iran and Israel are talking and makes our life easier. Everybody happy.


Pssst....not to mention side access to Indians on what is being sold to Pakistan.:angel:

10% of the components in the Airbus design are US made or owned. In such cases, any exported item with greater then or equal to 10% US made or owned components, the US has a say in whether or not to allow those components, and thus the system, to be exported.

Both the Boeing and Airbus design met this criteria. Both have now been cleared for sale to Iran.

Dammit, totally forgot we were supposed to discuss sub fighters on the other forum.Have been too busy on here talking about Kashmir. :sniper:
 
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You know, what will be really awesome? F-16 production facilities in Iran :yahoo:That way, Iran makes planes, Pakistan gets spares, Israel improves relations with Iran and Boeing makes money. India happy that Iran and Israel are talking and makes our life easier. Everybody happy.


Pssst....not to mention side access to Indians on what is being sold to Pakistan.:angel:

Iran will operate a squadron of flying pig interceptors before this happens...
 
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Why only 17 planes?
I think that's the first phase that is supposed to be delivered within this year or next. There are larger ones that should be placed in production. So probably they first allowed the lighter airliners and then they will move to larger ones. There are lost of idiots on this side thinking Iran may turn the large airliners into bombers!

One thing for sure is that US bureaucracy is no less than our own if not worth. So it will take time for them to undo every single ban and bylaw that they have put in place during last 10 years. I'm sure they have their own share of in-house fight to approve these purchases.
 
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Iran will operate a squadron of flying pig interceptors before this happens...

Then how are you buying planes from Boeing and Airbus? The need is for Iran to rise now. Be driven by national requirements not some sentimental nonsense. Which by the way, Iran does brilliantly. Probable the only middle eastern country which puts is national requirements before that of other countries'.
 
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Then how are you buying planes from Boeing and Airbus? The need is for Iran to rise now. Be driven by national requirements not some sentimental nonsense. Which by the way, Iran does brilliantly. Probable the only middle eastern country which puts is national requirements before that of other countries'.

I'm afraid you are naive when it comes to Iran's relations with Israel and America. They are deeply rooted issues dating back decades. We broke away from being their bitches, we won't let it happen again.
 
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They are deeply rooted issues dating back decades. We broke away from being their bitches, we won't let it happen again.
But then again, Iran takes its anti western propaganda stance too far. You are basically calling for no cooperation whatsoever meanwhile you are nowhere near developed enough to challenge the West. Even Russia and China who are over half a century ahead of you , yet they have to cooperate with the west when needed.
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Iran should come out from its empty Islamic propaganda rhetoric against the west. serves no purpose to be honest.

They are deeply rooted issues dating back decades. We broke away from being their bitches, we won't let it happen again.
But then again, Iran takes its anti western propaganda stance too far. You are basically calling for no cooperation whatsoever meanwhile you are nowhere near developed enough to challenge the West. Even Russia and China who are over half a century ahead of you , yet they have to cooperate with the west when needed.
main-qimg-09b9bb6b35c796ab86fbc30fb812ae71


Iran should come out from its empty Islamic propaganda rhetoric against the west. serves no purpose to be honest.

They are deeply rooted issues dating back decades. We broke away from being their bitches, we won't let it happen again.
But then again, Iran takes its anti western propaganda stance too far. You are basically calling for no cooperation whatsoever meanwhile you are nowhere near developed enough to challenge the West. Even Russia and China who are over half a century ahead of you , yet they have to cooperate with the west when needed.
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Iran should come out from its empty Islamic propaganda rhetoric against the west. serves no purpose to be honest.
 
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But then again, Iran takes its anti western propaganda stance too far. You are basically calling for no cooperation whatsoever meanwhile you are nowhere near developed enough to challenge the West. Even Russia and China who are over half a century ahead of you , yet they have to cooperate with the west when needed.

Bro, you high? Half a century ahead? :rofl: In terms of economy, then indeed Iran is behind, but if you think Iran is 50 years behind in other sectors, then you're either badly misinformed or simply high.
As for the west, you seem to greatly overestimate your developed status. Maybe you should go visit Iran and then maybe you'll see reality. Iran is indeed behind the west, but obviously you know little about Iran and you overestimate that gap. Don't rely too much on your BBC.
 
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