Type 052D DDG News & Discussions

[terranMarine]

To admit so far we haven't seen any proof that it is already under construction and even if (most likely) I don't think that it will be ready for testing next year. How long does it normally take from launch in a shipyard of a DDG to first shake-up cruise ?

Well here is the rumor it has started already, again no solid proof so we just have to be patient Type 055 DDG News & Discussions | Page 21

 

[cnleio]

174 commissioned and 175 behind soon....

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By these speed, and end of next year we will have 6-7 Type052D excluding 6 old Type052C. That will be enough to match JMSDF Navy of destroyer.

N.o175 052D won't join PLAN South Sea Fleet, they already has 2x 052C + 3x 052D ... new N.o175 will joint East Sea Fleet, East Sea Fleet now has 4x 052C will add 052D DDGs since 2016.

12x 052C/D still not enough for China ... i had said 052C/D numbers at least > 30x building as many as we can. One thing i can make sure, there'r 13~14x 052C/D DDGs on active service in PLAN until to end of 2016 year.

 

[Beast]

N.o175 052D won't join PLAN South Sea Fleet, they already has 2x 052C + 3x 052D ... new N.o175 will joint East Sea Fleet, East Sea Fleet now has 4x 052C will add 052D DDGs since 2016.

12x 052C/D still not enough for China ... i had said 052C/D numbers at least > 30x building as many as we can. One thing i can make sure, there'r 13~14x 052C/D DDGs on active service in PLAN until to end of 2016 year.

Type052D is not a very good platform to form bulk of PLAN major warship. By increasing the tonnage of Type052D from 7500tons to 13000tons of Type055, you get double the amount of VLS, double amount of ASW helo w/o building another platform. It is more cost effective. If PLAN has 16 Type055 cruiser, she will be unrivaled by any countries navy by a miles except USN. The firepower of a 055 cruiser is equal to a Kirov class battlecruiser.

 

[cnleio]

Type052D is not a very good platform to form bulk of PLAN major warship. By increasing the tonnage of Type052D from 7500tons to 13000tons of Type055, you get double the amount of VLS, double amount of ASW helo w/o building another platform. It is more cost effective. If PLAN has 16 Type055 cruiser, she will be unrivaled by any countries navy by a miles except USN. The firepower of a 055 cruiser is equal to a Kirov class battlecruiser.

How do u think 052D is not a good platform for PLAN ? the 055 has 12,000 ton with 100+ VLS cells but it means more expensive than 052D 7,000+ ton with 64x VLS cells ... maybe PLAN don't need too many expensive 055 but need many cheaper 052D DDGs. No, the history already told us, many cheap T-34-85 much more efficient than a expensive King Tiger. Just right now, i see China shipyards r busy in building many 052D DDGs.

 

[Beast]

How do u think 052D is not a good platform for PLAN ? the 055 has 12,000 ton with 100+ VLS cells but it means more expensive than 052D 7,000+ ton with 64x VLS cells ... maybe PLAN don't need too many expensive 055 but need many cheaper 052D DDGs. No, the history already told us, many cheap T-34-85 much more efficient than a expensive King Tiger.

I can bet 2 Type052D is more expensive than 1 055. Yet 1 055 cruiser can do what 2 052D do.

 

[cnleio]

I can bet 2 Type052D is more expensive than 1 055. Yet 1 055 cruiser can do what 2 052D do.

I don't know the price, im sure u don't know too.

 

[Beast]

I don't know the price, im sure u don't know too.

Logic can tell. You need to make 2 seperate hull while definitely 1 hull is cheaper although bigger but not by double the tonnage.

 

[Martian2]

I can bet 2 Type052D is more expensive than 1 055. Yet 1 055 cruiser can do what 2 052D do.

Cost isn't the only issue.

A Type 055 is putting a lot of eggs in one basket.

Let's assume one Type 055 is equal to two Type 052Ds.

Would you rather have 40 Type 055s or 80 Type 052Ds?

In the case of Type 055s, the US Navy only has to sink 40 ships.

In the case of Type 052Ds, the US Navy has to sink all 80 ships.

Survivability is important. The more units that you have, the more survivable and easily replaceable they are.

Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates argued that the US should move to a Navy with more smaller ships. The capital ships (e.g. aircraft carriers and Arleigh Burkes) are few in number. Once China wipes those out, the US doesn't have a Navy anymore.

There is strength in having smaller units that can be more easily replaced.

 

[Beast]

Cost isn't the only issue.

A Type 055 is putting a lot of eggs in one basket.

Let's assume one Type 055 is equal to two Type 052Ds.

Would you rather have 40 Type 055s or 80 Type 052Ds?

In the case of Type 055s, the US Navy only has to sink 40 ships.

In the case of Type 052Ds, the US Navy has to sink all 80 ships.

Survivability is important. The more units that you have, the more survivable and easily replaceable they are.

Lets not forget, 4 QC-280 turbine of 055 cruiser is going to give lots of power for future upgrade if ray gun or laser becomes reality. That is something 2 QC-280 might not have the raw power to provide.

 

[Martian2]

Lets not forget, 4 QC-280 turbine of 055 cruiser is going to give lots of power for future upgrade if ray gun or laser becomes reality. That is something 2 QC-280 might not have the raw power to provide.

No. Lasers cannot shoot more than a few miles in the dense lower atmosphere.

In the thin upper atmosphere, the Boeing ABL (ie. Airborne Laser) could only shoot 50 to 100 miles. After decades of research, the Boeing ABL was canceled. It had hit a wall and no currently known technology could fix the range problem.

Lasers cannot replace missiles. This is a limitation of physics.

 

[cnleio]

DDG-174 & DDG-175, China 3rd and 4th new 052D-class DDG

 

[sheik]

DDG-174 & DDG-175, China 3rd and 4th new 052D-class DDG

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So very likely CNS 174 will be commissioned in a few days.

 

[cnleio]

So very likely CNS 174 will be commissioned in a few days.

052D N.o173, N.o174, N.o175 dock together

 

[帅的一匹]

We shall build at least 30 of these .

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Cost isn't the only issue.

A Type 055 is putting a lot of eggs in one basket.

Let's assume one Type 055 is equal to two Type 052Ds.

Would you rather have 40 Type 055s or 80 Type 052Ds?

In the case of Type 055s, the US Navy only has to sink 40 ships.

In the case of Type 052Ds, the US Navy has to sink all 80 ships.

Survivability is important. The more units that you have, the more survivable and easily replaceable they are.

Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates argued that the US should move to a Navy with more smaller ships. The capital ships (e.g. aircraft carriers and Arleigh Burkes) are few in number. Once China wipes those out, the US doesn't have a Navy anymore.

There is strength in having smaller units that can be more easily replaced.

Are you thinking about the similar analogy for the Type 093G and the Type 095?

The Type 052D's VLS needs to be fully quad-packed for the long ranged SAM such as the HQ-9B.