Type 052D DDG News & Discussions

[ChineseTiger1986]

There is an article raising this issue 1 year back. Both have their advantage. INS Kolkata is strong in ASW as they can house 2 ASW helo compare to Type052D one. What makes Type052D apart from Kollkata is the Type052D universal VLS system that can house many types of missile from quad pack medium range SAM, to CJ-1000 LACM or HQ-9 LRSAM.

The 130mm main gun vs 76mm main gun is also a massive different.

Kolkata can only carry two medium-sized choppers.

 

[neytirilover]

Kolkata can only carry two medium-sized choppers.

AFAIK Type 052D can carry only one mid-sized chopper, which is the Ka-28/31 series ASW helicopter. So while comparing to Kolkata in terms of Helicopter capability, Type 052D won't have any advantage.

Does Type 052D have a towed sonar array?

The Type 346A is almost as good as the AN/SPY-3, so I don't think Israel got anything comparable to this.

Can you shed more light on this? A direct, data or logic based analysis is preferable.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

AFAIK Type 052D can carry only one mid-sized chopper, which is the Ka-28/31 series ASW helicopter. So while comparing to Kolkata in terms of Helicopter capability, Type 052D won't have any advantage.

The Kolkata can only carry two Hal Dhruv which is less than the half of a Ka-28.

If a Type 052D DDG can only carry a single medium chopper like the Ka-28, then the Kolkata can only carry two light choppers like the Hal Dhruv.

Does Type 052D have a towed sonar array?

Even the Type 056 got one.

Can you shed more light on this? A direct, data or logic based analysis is preferable.

Not much open information about the Type 346A, but it is the common sense that Israel's small AESA shipborne radar is nothing comparable with the large ones such as the Type 346A or AN/SPY-3.

PS, the Kolkata class is no Aegis, unlike the Arleigh Burke class (including its clones from Japan and South Korea) and the Type 052C/D.

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

make it stealth destroyer put kinetick energy effect freezing technology to halut the effect during attack from enemy side.

 

[Beast]

Not much open information about the Type 346A, but it is the common sense that Israel's small AESA shipborne radar is nothing comparable with the large ones such as the Type 346A or AN/SPY-3.

PS, the Kolkata class is no Aegis, unlike the Arleigh Burke class (including its clones from Japan and South Korea) and the Type 052C/D.

Israel shipborne AESA has different concept with US/China version. Type346A is more like Sampson AESA mounted high to have a better projection but that will restrict the AESA size. US/China AESA emphasize on size but need to mount at base as going too high will prove too much difficulties and imbalance of ship. The less better projection is compensate by the radar power of the AESA as its size is much bigger. End of the day, both advantages have their good point and I think the radar is a draw.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Israel shipborne AESA has different concept with US/China version. Type346A is more like Sampson AESA mounted high to have a better projection but that will restrict the AESA size. US/China AESA emphasize on size but need to mount at base as going too high will prove too much difficulties and imbalance of ship. The less better projection is compensate by the radar power of the AESA as its size is much bigger. End of the day, both advantages have their good point and I think the radar is a draw.

The Type 346A is four large flat panels around the corners, it is nothing similar to the Sampson shipborne AESA radar.

It is true that smaller shipborne AESA like Sampson can have higher leverage, but its distance projection still cannot compete with the much larger four flat panels like the Type 346A or AN/SPY-3.

 

[BoQ77]

Israel shipborne AESA has different concept with US/China version. Type346A is more like Sampson AESA mounted high to have a better projection but that will restrict the AESA size. US/China AESA emphasize on size but need to mount at base as going too high will prove too much difficulties and imbalance of ship. The less better projection is compensate by the radar power of the AESA as its size is much bigger. End of the day, both advantages have their good point and I think the radar is a draw.

LOL.

US Aegis destroyers AESA are for handling a few of BM which fly at very high altitude.
Sampson and Elta AESA are for handling several skimmish cruise ASh missiles at sea level.

Wonder what China AESA for ?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

LOL.

US Aegis destroyers AESA are for handling a few of ICBM which fly at very high altitude.
Sampson and Elta AESA are for handling several skimmish cruise ASh missiles at sea level.

Wonder what China AESA for ?

First, the current active US Aegis is PESA, not AESA.

Second, the SM-3 missile cannot intercept the ICBM on the midcourse.

You need to do a bit more of research.

 

[BoQ77]

First, the current active US Aegis is PESA, not AESA.

Second, the SM-3 missile cannot intercept the ICBM on the midcourse.

You need to do a bit more of research.

Thanks for correct me. You argued that US and China concept is similar, so AEGIS-alike design of China destroyers for what? while US used it for AB ( Anti Ballistic ) max. 3

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Thanks for correct me. You argued that US and China concept is similar, so AEGIS-alike design of China destroyers for what? while US used it for AB ( Anti Ballistic ) max. 3

This graph will show that the only anti-ICBM defense system is the GMD.

 

[Agent_47]

Kolkata can only carry two medium-sized choppers.

No, Kolkata can carry two S-70B class choppers.
Which is twice the size of Dhruv.
@Abingdonboy

 

[Beast]

First, the current active US Aegis is PESA, not AESA.

Second, the SM-3 missile cannot intercept the ICBM on the midcourse.

You need to do a bit more of research.

Its correct Aegis currently is PESA but if I am not wrong, SM-3 can intercept midcourse ICBM. The USN purposely shot down an old satellite few years ago using an AB destroyer to demonstrate the point.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No, Kolkata can carry two S-70B class choppers.
Which is twice the size of Dhruv.
@Abingdonboy

Only the 9000+ tons Arleigh Burke Flight IIA can carry two SH-60 which is similar to the S-70B.

Kolkata is too small to carry two S-70B, two Dhruv is more reasonable.

 

[BoQ77]

SM-3 BLK IIA with ceiling 1,500km could do many things.

The SM-3 Block IIA is the operational system, which is designated as the RIM-161E. It uses the larger and more capable Mark 142 Mod 2 LEAP kinetic vehicle, which can fully utilize the added range, ceiling, and speed performance of the Super Standard. The Block IIA was also adapted for use on land-based anti-ballistic missile systems as the MIM-161F.

Originally, the SM-3 Block IIB was to be a land-based system that did not suffer from the design limitations of the Mark 41 canisters. However, this was canceled and instead, the extended booster option was given to the Block IIA. When they are fitted with the extended booster, all Block IIA missiles are referred to as Block IIB.

The Block II, IIA, and IIB are all for exoatmospheric interception of a missile in its mid-course phase. As such, they are 4-stage systems, booster, missile, kill vehicle, warhead.

Its correct Aegis currently is PESA but if I am not wrong, SM-3 can intercept midcourse ICBM. The USN purposely shot down an old satellite few years ago using an AB destroyer to demonstrate the point.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Its correct Aegis currently is PESA but if I am not wrong, SM-3 can intercept midcourse ICBM. The USN purposely shot down an old satellite few years ago using an AB destroyer to demonstrate the point.

Only the SM-3 block IIA/B can intercept the ICBM, but it is still under the development.

The US has basically scrapped the failed GMD, and in favor of the SM-3 block IIA/B.

China has succeeded its GMD project which is now designated as the DN-3, but China will still work on the anti-ICBM capability for its HQ-26 which will be available for both Type 055 and Type 052D in the near future.