Type 052C and Type 052D

[DARKY]

LOL.. Yr 4000hr is MTBO.. Flight hours is another thing. Do you know what are you talking about? By yr MTBO, Chinese WS-10 shall be 6500hrs.

If Russian now can prove they can build a 20000tons LHD without any foreign assist. I eat back my words.

Yr great Russian cannot even build a 19000tons LPD and you want to convince me?

There a limit to the nonsense you Chins spread every where... 6500hrs of MTBO for a Chin engine...
Why would Russia need to prove anything to you ?.. who are you BTW ?... ask your PLA commanders for the proof.. they would sure tell you about the Russian proof(Sovremenny class destroyers) which saved their a$$ after a single USN aircraft jammed the entire Nanjing Military Region's electronics and communication links.

Even your latest destroyers(built on experience given by Russian).. have a powerplant of 57000shp while Delhi class have around 67000shp.. being a much older ship... both Russian based designs.... and here you open your leather bag and challange the Russian engineering.. all I can say is pathetic...

 

[Beast]

There a limit to the nonsense you Chins spread every where... 6500hrs of MTBO for a Chin engine...
Why would Russia need to prove anything to you ?.. who are you BTW ?... ask your PLA commanders for the proof.. they would sure tell you about the Russian proof(Sovremenny class destroyers) which saved their a$$ after a single USN aircraft jammed the entire Nanjing Military Region's electronics and communication links.

Even your latest destroyers(built on experience given by Russian).. have a powerplant of 57000shp while Delhi class have around 67000shp.. being a much older ship... both Russian based designs.... and here you open your leather bag and challange the Russian engineering.. all I can say is pathetic...

Hey, I know you got strong national pride. But that can't take away the reality. Your bogus source and fact can only convince yr indian country man but you want to cheat others. I will say you need to take real substance to do that. Our Sov is bought in the early 2000s and now is almost redudant. We bought it in the emergency period after the Taiwan strait 1996 crisis but our technology improves. We don't need this Russian dinosaur now. Have you seen China import any naval stuff in the last 5 years? Using old data and old news and try to paint current situation is a lousy cheap attempt by Indians like you....

you are saying Russian buying Mistral is a lie? And yr bogus source claiming build source from Russian is also another pathetic attempt. Face the reality. China is already there.. There is a reason why China super computer is top 3 in the world and our hydraulic press is the most powerful in the world at 800MN.

For yr info, supercomputer aids your nuclear weapon design technology plus 5th gen fighter jet. There is a reason why China is able to build 5th gen J-20 faster than other expected. Powerful hydraulic press is critical in making aircraft engine and large aircraft. It is an essential tools.

Our WS-10 engine has inducted into the fleet, powering our own jets. The link I posted is also true, we managed to up the lifespan of Russia Al-31FN, the big plant at Sichuan can't be faked. You can have yr national pride and continue self denied. But that will not change any facts.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...cations-russian-salyut-al-31f-jet-engine.html

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2010


Jane's Defence Weekly


China makes modifications to Russian Salyut AL-31F jet engine

Reuben F Johnson JDW Correspondent - Kiev

Key Points
The PLAAF has developed its own upgrade for the Russian-made Salyut AL-31F jet engine

The development demonstrates that the Chinese have achieved near autonomy in supporting their fighters' Russian-made engines


The Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) has developed its own service life extension modifications for the Russian-made Salyut AL-31F engine, a Moscow-based defence and foreign policy think-tank has reported.

The modifications to the AL-31F/FN P.2 series engine increase its operational limits by more than 65 per cent - from 900 to 1,500 flight hours, according to the privately owned Centre for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST).

The AL-31F engine is the powerplant for several types of aircraft in the PLAAF inventory: the Sukhoi Su-27 (which is also licence-produced at the Shenyang Aircraft Works as the J-11), the Su-30MKK and the Chengdu Aerospace Corporation J-10. The AL-31FN is a special derivative of the original AL-31F design that was developed by the Salyut plant in Moscow for a single-engine application to be fitted to the J-10.

The service life modifications were reportedly developed at the PLAAF Overhaul Plant Number 5719. The key to the service life extension is a specific set of improved, Chinese-made components that are part of what is described as a "re-manufacturing kit" that is introduced during the process of a full-scale remanufacturing and overhaul process.

The plant is located near the city of Chengdu in Sichuan province, employs 2,000 personnel and is reported to be a model of innovation within the PLAAF's network of repair plants. During the past several years the facility has initiated 63 different research and development programmes and has been awarded more than 20 state prizes for achievements in technological innovation. In the same time period, the plant's assets have more than doubled from CNY1.1 billion (USD147.2 million) in 2004 to CNY2.9 billion today.

The plant's officials credit the success of their overhaul process to a decision taken in 2004, when some of the first AL-31F engines were presented to the plant by the PLAAF for overhaul. A decision was taken, according to the Chinese news sources originally cited, to completely reorganise the overhaul process. This streamlining of the overhaul disassembly and servicing line resulted in a 27.3 per cent decrease in the time required to complete an overhaul and increased the plant's production capacity by 60 per cent.

This level of improvement in the engine's design demonstrates that the Chinese have achieved near autonomy in the support of these Russian-made engines. Russian specialists who spoke to Jane's state that this is "another example of how the technology sold to the Chinese during the 1990s has now been fully assimilated by them. It is only a matter of time before the engines that China produces will be as good as or better than anything designed here in Russia".

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/84838-new-j11bs-ws-10-engine-pics.html

WS-10 is a F100 class engine. Producing max 132kn. Now powering most of the J-11B fleet. You can BS all yr wrong data. But pictures says a thousand words.

 

[DARKY]

Hey, I know you got strong national pride. But that can't take away the reality. Your bogus source and fact can only convince yr indian country man but you want to cheat others. I will say you need to take real substance to do that. Our Sov is bought in the early 2000s and now is almost redudant. We bought it in the emergency period after the Taiwan strait 1996 crisis but our technology improves. We don't need this Russian dinosaur now. Have you seen China import any naval stuff in the last 5 years? Using old data and old news and try to paint current situation is a lousy cheap attempt by Indians like you....

you are saying Russian buying Mistral is a lie? And yr bogus source claiming build source from Russian is also another pathetic attempt. Face the reality. China is already there.. There is a reason why China super computer is top 3 in the world and our hydraulic press is the most powerful in the world at 800MN.

For yr info, supercomputer aids your nuclear weapon design technology plus 5th gen fighter jet. There is a reason why China is able to build 5th gen J-20 faster than other expected. Powerful hydraulic press is critical in making aircraft engine and large aircraft. It is an essential tools.

Our WS-10 engine has inducted into the fleet, powering our own jets. The link I posted is also true, we managed to up the lifespan of Russia Al-31FN, the big plant at Sichuan can't be faked. You can have yr national pride and continue self denied. But that will not change any facts.

WS-10 is a F100 class engine. Producing max 132kn. Now powering most of the J-11B fleet. You can BS all yr wrong data. But pictures says a thousand words.

Certainly the Russian Dinosaur is much better then the latest Chinese technology If one considers the turbofan technology.

Now considering that you hardly know anything about turbofans(as evident from the your post).
Let do a simple layman comparison.

Pratt & Whitney F100---1696kg---79kN(military thrust)---129kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio 7.8
Saturn Al-31F----------1570kg---75kN(military thrust)---123kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio 7.8
Shenyang WS10A-------1630kg---75kN(military thrust)---132kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio 7.5

Now comparing that with Russian(15 year old technology).
Item 117----1420kg---100+kN(military thrust)---147kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio of 10.5

And comparing (10 year old Russian technology)
Saturn Al-41---weight NA---(military thrust somewhere around 100+ kN)---180kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio of 11.

Now you are struggling to get some operational which compares with 25 year old Russian technology and aspiring to make some thing which the Russians made and tested 12-15 years ago.
And even then your pilots don't trust your engines(with all that supercomputers IQ and other extra supernatural brain abilities)... and still buys 25 years old Russian engines.

:faceplam:

No go and tell this to your CCP and ask them to paint the planes even shinier so that picture don't lie the next time.

 

[Beast]

Certainly the Russian Dinosaur is much better then the latest Chinese technology If one considers the turbofan technology.

Now considering that you hardly know anything about turbofans(as evident from the your post).
Let do a simple layman comparison.

Pratt & Whitney F100---1696kg---79kN(military thrust)---129kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio 7.8
Saturn Al-31F----------1570kg---75kN(military thrust)---123kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio 7.8
Shenyang WS10A-------1630kg---75kN(military thrust)---132kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio 7.5

Now comparing that with Russian(15 year old technology).
Item 117----1420kg---100+kN(military thrust)---147kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio of 10.5

And comparing (10 year old Russian technology)
Saturn Al-41---weight NA---(military thrust somewhere around 100+ kN)---180kN(full AB mode)---T/W ratio of 11.

Now you are struggling to get some operational which compares with 25 year old Russian technology and aspiring to make some thing which the Russians made and tested 12-15 years ago.
And even then your pilots don't trust your engines(with all that supercomputers IQ and other extra supernatural brain abilities)... and still buys 25 years old Russian engines.

:faceplam:

No go and tell this to your CCP and ask them to paint the planes even shinier so that picture don't lie the next time.

For naval equipment, Russia can't keep up with china. But even in aviation, even Russia is going to be lack behind soon. Their latest state of art Su-35 fighter is offered to china but we don't want it. Kommersant has reported china wanted to buy Su-35 but turn out to be false. Even their state of art Su-35 does not fit our own criteria and future need. Remember their Su-35 fits with their AESA and 117S engine but we still don't want it.

Our WS-15 engine with also max thrust of 180kn is almost completed. It will power our future J-20.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

For naval equipment, Russia can't keep up with china. But even in aviation, even Russia is going to be lack behind soon. Their latest state of art Su-35 fighter is offered to china but we don't want it. Kommersant has reported china wanted to buy Su-35 but turn out to be false. Even their state of art Su-35 does not fit our own criteria and future need. Remember their Su-35 fits with their AESA and 117S engine but we still don't want it.

Our WS-15 engine with also max thrust of 180kn is almost completed. It will power our future J-20.

The Su-35 flanker now only uses the PESA radar, the AESA radar is planned, but not inducted yet.

 

[Beast]

Why would it need to compete with some one who is still trying hard to copy its 20 year old machines.. you chins are epic.. I must say...

Su 35 is the modification of what they made decades ago.
Chin wanted to buy the plane in little number so it could copy and RE its engines radars and other parts... while Russian wanted a substantial order so that they could bear the loss of the cheap Chin RE job.

You still didn't understand that maximum AB thrust is not the only basis to qualify a turbofan engine.... and certainly not a strong basis for turbofans.... but thats expected of you since you are a chin.



And that is world most powerful X-band FCR radar installed on a fighter plane.

What is your purpose of posting few Russian sub? Does it eluded from the fact Russian ship building is struggling to build a big size warship?

Funny you claim Su-35 is an 20 decades design warplane which resemble yr MKI. Or u want to tell me MKI is more superior than Su-35?? then u claim Russia refuse to sell the most advance to us which is their Su-35 but simply Chinese is not interested. So is not a matter of they refuse us the most advance tech. Simply we are not interested. 117S cannot meet our J-20 thrust target and we have our own WS-15 program. As for turbofan, if u keep insisting the Chinese one is not turbofan. I can't forced u but you can't lied too. You simply rant at nationalistic view and never back it with facts or data. As I say you can say 1000times china is backward but it will not change the fact is nOt.

And we don't need a third class Indian who can't even produce a decent turbofan to tell us where we are. Why not you fly the Russia flag and call yrself Russian before you come and distort facts since you like to dig out Russia to pin us? Or you are too ashame to use India to compare with china. Please , back with neutral facts and not some hindustan bogus website which is probably edited by you.

 

[DARKY]

What is your purpose of posting few Russian sub? Does it eluded from the fact Russian ship building is struggling to build a big size warship?

Funny you claim Su-35 is an 20 decades design warplane which resemble yr MKI. Or u want to tell me MKI is more superior than Su-35?? then u claim Russia refuse to sell the most advance to us which is their Su-35 but simply Chinese is not interested. So is not a matter of they refuse us the most advance tech. Simply we are not interested. 117S cannot meet our J-20 thrust target and we have our own WS-15 program. As for turbofan, if u keep insisting the Chinese one is not turbofan. I can't forced u but you can't lied too. You simply rant at nationalistic view and never back it with facts or data. As I say you can say 1000times china is backward but it will not change the fact is nOt.

And we don't need a third class Indian who can't even produce a decent turbofan to tell us where we are. Why not you fly the Russia flag and call yrself Russian before you come and distort facts since you like to dig out Russia to pin us? Or you are too ashame to use India to compare with china. Please , back with neutral facts and not some hindustan bogus website which is probably edited by you.

Aren't submarines Naval warships ?.. or do they teach you something different there in chin...
Why would they need to to build a big Surface combatant when they are struggling to keep their already made battle cruiser and destroyers operational ?
What would they do with surplus ?... when they already have almost a whole PLAN in reserves...

They made New Gen Frigates for cost effective operations because those battle cruisers and destroyers are too big and costly to operate as per their new doctrine... which doesn't have anything to do with challenging the whole NATO fleet in middle of Atlantic and Pacific... they renovated a whole Aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya..even with delays in payment.

Somehow your whole assessment is based on a stupid logic of them buying Mistrel LPD from France... now what difference does an LPD make even If they buy it from America ?... they need a LPD quick and thats certainly no a naval combat ship.. rather a sitting duck in the middle of ocean.... is used for rescue and relief mission more.. than any Naval war.

Yes the Su35 is based on a 20 year old plane.. and it resembles MKI so what ?
Both MKI and Su35 are far-far better than any plane your Chin AF have... China is more interested in Reverse engineering and copying Russian plane.. now you don't want me to start a lesson on that do you ?
Your J-20 is flying on a Al-31FN engine now does that change anything...

It were you who after being helped by Russia have so shamelessly bad mouthed about them... even the PT of Indian engine is much better than your WS-10(T/W ratio of 7.5 while Kaveri has a T/W ratio of 7.8).. it doesn't matter if you agree or not but that fact remains there that Chin have even failed in making proper copies of the products they Reverse Engineered and stats speak.. although you are not allow to speak about that in Chin... pathetic...

 

[DF-41 ICBM]

Aren't submarines Naval warships ?.. or do they teach you something different there in chin...
Why would they need to to build a big Surface combatant when they are struggling to keep their already made battle cruiser and destroyers operational ?
What would they do with surplus ?... when they already have almost a whole PLAN in reserves...

They made New Gen Frigates for cost effective operations because those battle cruisers and destroyers are too big and costly to operate as per their new doctrine... which doesn't have anything to do with challenging the whole NATO fleet in middle of Atlantic and Pacific... they renovated a whole Aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya..even with delays in payment.

Somehow your whole assessment is based on a stupid logic of them buying Mistrel LPD from France... now what difference does an LPD make even If they buy it from America ?... they need a LPD quick and thats certainly no a naval combat ship.. rather a sitting duck in the middle of ocean.... is used for rescue and relief mission more.. than any Naval war.

Yes the Su35 is based on a 20 year old plane.. and it resembles MKI so what ?
Both MKI and Su35 are far-far better than any plane your Chin AF have... China is more interested in Reverse engineering and copying Russian plane.. now you don't want me to start a lesson on that do you ?
Your J-20 is flying on a Al-31FN engine now does that change anything...

It were you who after being helped by Russia have so shamelessly bad mouthed about them... even the PT of Indian engine is much better than your WS-10(T/W ratio of 7.5 while Kaveri has a T/W ratio of 7.8).. it doesn't matter if you agree or not but that fact remains there that Chin have even failed in making proper copies of the products they Reverse Engineered and stats speak.. although you are not allow to speak about that in Chin... pathetic...

India don't even know how to make a turbofan engine.

Our J-11B is already operational with WS-10 engines.
I know your heart burns at the utter shock of seeing how far behind and backward you Indians truly are.

We are now self-sufficient in engines for 4th gen fighters.
India can't even make their own bullets yet, even your guns are Russian imports.

Reverse engeering is a step to producing your own weapons by taking it apart and examining it, India is not even at the reverse engineering level. Even the Iranians are ahead of India In weapons development.

Indians just lack the technicl know how and IQ to develop its own weapons.
India cannot innovate, and you cannot reverse engineer, that's why you have absolutely no choice but to import.

China is now self sufficient in many areas. In an all out war, we don't need to worry about foreign weapons supplies and being cut off. It also increases out technical knowledge and builds our industry.

You can have your mental masturbations all you want, it won't change our advancement and we will leave India in the dust.
You laughing at others advancement shows why India is such a primitive and backward country, 40 years behind china in ICBM technology.

That's why India will always be a backward civilization with african level poverty and can't even do a small commonwealth games while we hosted the greatest Olympic games ever, the greatest world expo, why we have sent a man to space and you have not, why we have our space docking, you don't, why we have our satellite navigation system and you don't.

That's why we humiliated you in 1962.

 

[GORKHALI]

Awesum Pics!love to see more ..

 

[DARKY]

India don't even know how to make a turbofan engine.

Our J-11B is already operational with WS-10 engines.
I know your heart burns at the utter shock of seeing how far behind and backward you Indians truly are.

We are now self-sufficient in engines for 4th gen fighters.
India can't even make their own bullets yet, even your guns are Russian imports.

Reverse engeering is a step to producing your own weapons by taking it apart and examining it, India is not even at the reverse engineering level. Even the Iranians are ahead of India In weapons development.

Indians just lack the technicl know how and IQ to develop its own weapons.
India cannot innovate, and you cannot reverse engineer, that's why you have absolutely no choice but to import.

China is now self sufficient in many areas. In an all out war, we don't need to worry about foreign weapons supplies and being cut off. It also increases out technical knowledge and builds our industry.

You can have your mental masturbations all you want, it won't change our advancement and we will leave India in the dust.
You laughing at others advancement shows why India is such a primitive and backward country, 40 years behind china in ICBM technology.

That's why India will always be a backward civilization with african level poverty and can't even do a small commonwealth games while we hosted the greatest Olympic games ever, the greatest world expo, why we have sent a man to space and you have not, why we have our space docking, you don't, why we have our satellite navigation system and you don't.

That's why we humiliated you in 1962.

Why don't you go and drink your milk and let elder boys discuss about this... you don't want another spanking for your wetting allover do you.

 

[ironman]

For naval equipment, Russia can't keep up with china. But even in aviation, even Russia is going to be lack behind soon. Their latest state of art Su-35 fighter is offered to china but we don't want it. Kommersant has reported china wanted to buy Su-35 but turn out to be false. Even their state of art Su-35 does not fit our own criteria and future need. Remember their Su-35 fits with their AESA and 117S engine but we still don't want it.

Our WS-15 engine with also max thrust of 180kn is almost completed. It will power our future J-20.

Yes, keyboard warriors can claim whatever they want.... Want a realty check ?
This below article published in 27th November 2009. Although it contribute some more IQ to the needed also reveals some pearls about JF-17. Get ready for a tight slap

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 27-Nov-2009

Jane's Defence Weekly

Chinese aero manufacturers open up to engage export market

Reuben F Johnson JDW Correspondent - Beijing/Dubai

Key Points
Chinese aerospace leaders are becoming increasingly determined to make their mark on the export market

The 60th anniversary of the PLAAF has coincided with a greater degree of openness from the Chinese aerospace industry


Over the last month China's National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC), the state-licensed aircraft export sales monopoly, along with its industrial partner, Aviation Industries of China (AVIC), have both demonstrated an unusual degree of openness in displaying data on their products.

This willingness of Chinese officials to speak at length on both of these areas seems to have coincided with the 60th anniversary of the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) on 11 November.

China's military aircraft industry has been steadily developing a line of products that would allow it to compete on world markets. Newly developed platforms - such as the Chengdu J-10/FC-20 fighter, FC-1/JF-17 strike aircraft and the Hongdu L-15 advanced jet trainer - have been advancing, along with improved versions of older aircraft like the Shenyang J-11/J-11B/BS and F-8 fighters and the Xian JH-7A fighter bomber.

There have also been commensurate advancements in weapon systems, radars and sensors, avionics and state-of-the-art 'glass' cockpit configurations.

CATIC's President and chief executive officer, Ma Zhiping, along with Zeng Wen, one of the company's vice presidents, recently discussed their future plans at length with Jane's . The overall message is that these Chinese aircraft manufacturers can now capitalise on an expanding window of opportunity for their products.

"We have an advantage with our products in several respects," stated the two CATIC officials. "One is that we have already the experience of having exported our K-8 trainer, and so now when we are marketing the L-15 we can offer a full-spectrum training system that includes performance up to the level of an LIF [lead-in fighter].

"Secondly, we are almost always providing a cost-effective solution. We are not working with air forces like the US Air Force, UK Royal Air Force or Royal Australian Air Force that can spend a lot of money; we are working with customers that most of our competitors do not even consider because they need high-performance systems at a low cost of acquisition, plus low operational costs as well."

CATIC emphasised that it is now looking at developing packages of systems that offer multi-role/multi-solutions for smaller air forces. "If the air force in question has a small airspace to defend we can propose a combination of FTC-2000s, JF-17s and K-8s," the officials said. "If they have a much larger territory to defend then we would offer the F-8T in place of or in addition to the JF-17.

"For medium-sized air forces that are more advanced - like Pakistan, which already has F-16s - we can propose a mix of high- and medium-performance aircraft. This combination is highly cost-effective because they have a high degree of commonality across their avionics suite." The "high- and medium-performance" aircraft are, in this case, the JF-17 and J-10, although CATIC officials qualified their position on the latter.

When asked about whether they were ready to deliver J-10s to Pakistan the answer was "not just yet", although there have been numerous reports of a contract signing. The key issue appears to be whether it should be necessary to equip this aircraft with Chinese-made engines instead of the Russian ones currently used.

This relates to the larger issue of China's longer-term relationship with Russia. Chinese officials said openly that they would be willing to buy a large number of the RD-93 engines used in the JF-17, but only if the engine could be produced in a 9- to 9.5-tonne version.

CATIC executives are also unhappy with the unwillingness of Russia to sell them some their latest products. "We have been interested in acquiring new aircraft, such as the Sukhoi Su-35, but thus far this has not been presented as an option for us," they said.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Anyway back to topic from the troll spam,
Can a knowledgable chinese member tell me what is the PLNs modernization plan.Mainly interested in how many major combat vessels[over 2000 tons combat vessels] they wish to have and how many of each type of destroyers,frigates and subs.Basically a small list.
I only need names of the ship classes and numbers intended.Not only in service but also planned.Leave out obsolete designs that will be replaced .Only interested in the designs that will be viable combat unit say even after 5-10 years.
Thanks in advance.

 

[rcrmj]

Why don't you go and drink your milk and let elder boys discuss about this... you don't want another spanking for your wetting allover do you.

i can see your frustration, humiliation and butt hurt afte every single time your delusion got busted, poor little thing``lol

Anyway back to topic from the troll spam,
Can a knowledgable chinese member tell me what is the PLNs modernization plan.Mainly interested in how many major combat vessels[over 2000 tons combat vessels] they wish to have and how many of each type of destroyers,frigates and subs.Basically a small list.
I only need names of the ship classes and numbers intended.Not only in service but also planned.Leave out obsolete designs that will be replaced .Only interested in the designs that will be viable combat unit say even after 5-10 years.
Thanks in advance.

we only know rumors of those 'future' ships, just like in 2002 we believed that 052C was just another fairytale like AC or J-20..

 

[DARKY]

i can see your frustration, humiliation and butt hurt afte every single time your delusion got busted, poor little thing

The word has a meaning for ones out side your Chin... not for your types.
Your types are yet to show how is your Chin engine better than Russian ones same for naval combatants.
Its only after they were shown whats its like outside the CCP well they have run away from here... but its a different thing there in Chin... with all those shiny paints... isn't it china man ?
Images don't lie I must say.. specially those extra shiny ones.. or even those blurred one...

 

[Beast]

Repeated post.

Yes, keyboard warriors can claim whatever they want.... Want a realty check ?
This below article published in 27th November 2009. Although it contribute some more IQ to the needed also reveals some pearls about JF-17. Get ready for a tight slap

2009 article? I am wondering who is the one getting tight slap?

Kommersant declared they are really to sell china 50 Su-35 in 2012.. You can easily goggle the article. Please go and search yrself.

Care to explain to me? I can use 1905 article and claimed India iS forever a colonial.

So in yr pathetic mind, the world will never change?

Surprise ly , the article claimed Russian ready to sell 50 Su-35to china is also by janes. But the epic failed becos, ministry of defence of china come out and claimed china is not interested in Su-35.