Two Indian soldiers killed in LoC skirmish: Indian army

[illusion8]

It is but IA's fault. The blame rests with the Army's complacency. Isnt it their duty/job to foresee any such incidents and be prepared for it? What's all that training with the Israelis worth then, if the IA cannot implement certain basic regulations?

It's not IA's fault they were already on alert mode what happened was IA reported a lot of helicopter movement and PA officers visiting the post which was allegedly attacked by Indian troops and this latest act was planned over a 48 hour period and was executed in the cover of fog and mist when the patrol were moving from one post to the other - PA soldiers crossed into Indian territory around 400 meters lay in wait in the forest where visibility was very poor due to mist and fog and ambushed this patrol party - they badly mutilated a killed IA soldier and beheaded him after his death in the cross fire that had happened.

 

[Rocky25]

you just cant handle it properly...
Why did the indian army started this in the first place by killing PA person. now saying all this ? its showing the world how cultured indians are

So if Indians fire at you! You will mutilate and behead the bodies of the enemy! Was that allowed in Geneva convention?

Dialogue with Pakistan is a waste of time and energy!

 

[Star Wars]

Either way .... a rather stupid move to escalate two fronts...

 

[Screambowl]

First of all, we are ready for war at any time. Ready to mobilize at any time. It isn't your role to determine what is and what is not good for us. None of your concern.

And when armies - in war time or peace time - are fired upon they will fire back. What is it about that which you thick headed shmucks can't fathom?

It won't be a war but small skirmishes along the LOC. Nothing more.

 

[Yeti]

That was because India's entire case rested on 'ICJ doesn't have any jurisdiction over us' instead of arguing against the case presented by Pakistan !

Theek haiii...your issue is duly noted & you know our reply ! Take Care !

Let's say the reverse had happened where 2 Pakistanis were shot and one had his head missing, would not Pakistani members be angry or show some sort of emotion?


It is not the shooting that is making us upset it is the way in which it was done with the mutualisation that is barbaric. I am listening to Salman Khurshid the Minister of External Affairs speak on the matter he said it was a ambush which was aided by fog that Pakstani troops took advantage of. The second body may also have been mutilated but that is not confirmed as of yet.

 

[KRAIT]

Considering Pakistan's internal conflicts, coming elections and growing oppositions against ruling govt. , this seems to be a good strategy for Zardari considering people will unite only against India.

Only a skirmish or war against India unites people always.

 

[gubbi]

It's not IA's fault they were already on alert mode what happened was IA reported a lot of helicopter movement and PA officers visiting the post which was allegedly attacked by Indian troops and this latest act was planned over a 48 hour period and was executed in the cover of fog and mist when the patrol were moving from one post to the other - PA soldiers crossed into Indian territory around 400 meters lay in wait in the forest where visibility was very poor due to mist and fog and ambushed this patrol party - they badly mutilated a killed IA soldier and beheaded him after his death in the cross fire that had happened.

Of course, thats the story doing the rounds and it may be the truth. But then again, the border is lined with the latest tech to detect intrusions and all such gadgets. With the movement of PA brass in the area, a retaliation should have been expected and the patrols should have been prepared for any such eventuality. The field commanders and the officers in charge should be held accountable for this fiasco. Why should be keep blaming others for our failure? Kargil happened not because PA planned it, but because IA failed to detect it early and take steps to avoid an escalation.

Using slight modification of an oft repeated quote, we should be asking ourselves - in such a situation, what would the Israelis do?

 

[silent hawk]

Who started it and who is responsible are irrelevant issues
The fact is that more lives have been lost on both sides and no objective has been achieved
What needs discussion is how to avoid further useless loss of lives both in the short and long term.
May the fallen RIP

 

[Armstrong]

Let's say the reverse had happened where 2 Pakistanis were shot and one had his head missing, would not Pakistani members be angry or show some sort of emotion?


It is not the shooting that is making us upset it is the way in which it was done with the mutualisation that is barbaric. I am listening to Salman Khurshid the Minister of External Affairs speak on the matter he said it was a ambush which was aided by fog that Pakstani troops took advantage of. The second body may also have been mutilated but that is not confirmed as of yet.

I'm fine with the show of emotions !

Its the second part that I'm asking about from my first post !

 

[Sedqal]

Let's say the reverse had happened where 2 Pakistanis were shot and one had his head missing, would not Pakistani members be angry or show some sort of emotion?


It is not the shooting that is making us upset it is the way in which it was done with the mutualisation that is barbaric. I am listening to Salman Khurshid the Minister of External Affairs speak on the matter he said it was a ambush which was aided by fog that Pakstani troops took advantage of. The second body may also have been mutilated but that is not confirmed as of yet.

I would have condemned it (beheading not the payback) if I believed they really cut of the jawan's head. Still waiting for some 3rd party to report it. Secondly India started this without any provocation.

 

[Roybot]

Great, now lets send the Indian team to play cricket in Pakistan. Best friends forever. Can't expect any better from this ball less congress government.

 

[Ambitious449]

Indian assault was a test to check the reply of Pak army under current circumstances.. they would not have attempted it during Zia era.
Now they had their reply. i,e, If u want war.. expect a blood one!

We already saw your army's capabilities in 1971. Even couldnt save their country's partition by Indian army in 1971. that too after ruling the country for 25 years.

 

[illusion8]

Of course, thats the story doing the rounds and it may be the truth. But then again, the border is lined with the latest tech to detect intrusions and all such gadgets. With the movement of PA brass in the area, a retaliation should have been expected and the patrols should have been prepared for any such eventuality. The field commanders and the officers in charge should be held accountable for this fiasco. Why should be keep blaming others for our failure? Kargil happened not because PA planned it, but because IA failed to detect it early and take steps to avoid an escalation.

Using slight modification of an oft repeated quote, we should be asking ourselves - in such a situation, what would the Israelis do?

of course you are right, after many experiences and knowing what kind of enemy the IA is dealing with they should have been extra careful - what's happened has happened, let's see what happens next.

 

[krash]

So the IA crosses over, kills one of ours, we protest, IA says nothing happened, Indian members say, "IA says nothing happened, you're lying".

We retaliate, kill two of their's, IA army protests saying one was beheaded with a combat knife while the two injured watched (seriously?), PA says nothing happened, Pakistani members say, "PA says nothing happened, you're lying."

This should have been the end of it. However, some across the border wanted to superimpose GOP's supposed grand ulterior motives on this incident, they also wanted to play the victim and cry foul. Well then the IA should have stayed behind the LOC. Your army presented its own backside to be handed back...we merely obliged, if this actually happened which I am not saying that it did because the PA says that it did not.

These incidents are not uncommon up there and, regretfully, neither are the beheadings. Notice how some of your own have quietly tried to slip away. Go through the initial pages of the thread and you'll find your own kin who will tell you how clean the IA is.

Won't say who started these beheadings but there was once a peaceful village right on the LOC in Azad Kashmir. One fine summer night it was visited by the IA. Everyone they could get a hand on was beheaded, men, women, children, and these were civilians. PTV News, never having the sense, showed the images the night after and I, as a little kid watched them. Imagine how that would've felt. Anyway the PA goes across two nights after and wipes an Indian post clean and burns the bodies, or so the IA claimed.

Solve this Goddamn Kashmir issue already, its made animals out of us.

May the fallen rest in peace.

 

[Sedqal]

Great, now lets send the Indian team to play cricket in Pakistan. Best friends forever. Can't expect any better from this ball less congress government.

You want Sonia jee to grow a pair