TVC -vs- JHMCS ?

[Kompromat]

^ Its a little fussy & would make us use two different systems on the same platform.

BTW they are using Carbon fibre in the helmet , point to be noted !

 

[gowthamraj]

Gotham MLU M3 will include block 52 Standard radar and avionics , sensors and Sniper targeting pods and JHMCS too.

They all are supporting hardware to project information on F-16 JHMCS.

i am gowtham not gotham, btw in our airforce expect mig all lacks HMCS including flanker? hopeing MRCA have it

 

[KS]

Same as Gowtham.....Is the JHMCS operational in PAF..?
Is is present in IAF except the Fulcrums..?

 

[gowthamraj]

@karthik sri. . . i dont know about su-30mki but f-16 B52 of PAF have it

 

[democracyspeaks]

MiG-29KUB aircraft will come with the Topsight E helmet-mounted sight/display (HMS/D)
And SU-30-MKI will come with Samtel's Advanced HMS.
Tejas will have the Elbit HMD.

Regarding various HMSes check the following link:

http://www.ausairpower.net/hmd-technology.html


Lastly JHMCSwas a collaborative outgrowth from Israel's earlier experience with the Display and Sight Helmet (DASH) system. Produced by Vision Systems International, a joint venture between Israel's Elbit and Kaiser Aerospace.

So we will be getting it no matter what.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Is the JHMCS operational in PAF..?

its part a of Block 52, it will be operational once Block 52s are operational

The standard configuration of an Advanced Block 50/52 cockpit features helmet-mounted cueing system, which allows the pilot to direct sensors or weapons to his line of sight or to help him find a designated target. Head-Up Display and several color multifunction displays and advanced recording and data-transfer equipment is used to reduce pilot workload in every phase of the mission. The cockpit is compatible with night vision goggles. A common configuration includes multi-channel VHF/UHF/HF/Data communications, satellite communication and tactical data link systems (such as the NATO-standard Link 16), in addition. Link 16 provides secure, jam-resistant, high-volume data exchange on a multi-node network. Also standard is the combined friend from foe interrogator/ transponder, which permits autonomous identification to maximize launch ranges of radar-guided air-to-air missiles at distances beyond visual range (BVR).

Advanced F-16 Block 50/52/60

 

[DaRk WaVe]

i am gowtham not gotham, btw in our airforce expect mig all lacks HMCS including flanker? hopeing MRCA have it

HMCS on MiG-29 was introduced back in 1986, I am sure current IAF MiG-29s have it along with R-73(all IAF MiG-29s will be upgraded to MiG-29 SMT)

Thales will be providing Topsight for IN MiG-29Ks

 

[democracyspeaks]

as i told you, it was Russians who displayed this combination of HMD & Short Range AAM, older F-16, F-15, F-18s have no such capability though after MLUs they will have it

Small correction in the 1970s there was VTAS (F-4) by USA, but it was quite a failure, then there was the russian system, though rudimentary but still worked and from there on Israelis picked up.

 

[Kompromat]

i am gowtham not gotham, btw in our airforce expect mig all lacks HMCS including flanker? hopeing MRCA have it

At the moment none of the operational fighter in IAF Inventory has JHMCS as Russians are no where near to this technology.

Mirage 2000's "may" get it if you aquired mica missiles for them.

Mig-29's HMD/S is way inferior to JHMCS and can receive this technology with Thales upgrades .

If you selected F-16IN or F/A 18 Super hornet then IAF will get JHMCS capability with them for sure.

Regards:

 

[Kompromat]

Same as Gowtham.....Is the JHMCS operational in PAF..?
Is is present in IAF except the Fulcrums..?

All of PAF F-16's would have JHMCS.

Block 52+ Fighters will receive it by default where as the old fleet of F-16 A/B are to have MLU M3 which will bring them to Block 52 standard and will feature JHMCS.

JF-17 Thunders Would be upgraded with the latest most Helmet Mounted Display / sight systems too. (the real product is unknown as yet)

A brochure for the Chengdu FC-1 distributed at the recent 2009 Dubai Airshow mentions it can be equipped with a Helmet Mounted Display (HMD), which Chinese officials confirmed was available.

Regards:

 

[Kompromat]

PL-9c is HOBS capable & Thunder's Cockpit would support NV.

 

[Kinetic]

With JHMCS+AIM-9X also F-16 cannot win against TVC+R-73M. Because TVC will allow you a huge advantage in dog fight ie shoot from any position. If a fight is on your tail you can still take it out with appropriate maneuver with in seconds while R-73M are enough maneuverable to take down a fighter without TVC.

 

[Kompromat]

With JHMCS+AIM-9X also F-16 cannot win against TVC+R-73M. Because TVC will allow you a huge advantage in dog fight ie shoot from any position. If a fight is on your tail you can still take it out with appropriate maneuver with in seconds while R-73M are enough maneuverable to take down a fighter without TVC.

JHMCS Outruns and Outguns TVC advantage , see the earlier posts and you will agree with that.

An aircraft can be shot down even when its on your tail by the Help of JHMCS.

You really need to understand the whole concept before puting any verdict forward.

Thanks

 

[DaRk WaVe]

With JHMCS+AIM-9X also F-16 cannot win against TVC+R-73M. Because TVC will allow you a huge advantage in dog fight ie shoot from any position. If a fight is on your tail you can still take it out with appropriate maneuver with in seconds while R-73M are enough maneuverable to take down a fighter without TVC.

now one is questioning the the maneuverability & capability of R-73, its about 'locking the target' & right now Russians have nothing comparable to JHMCS & Dash

 

[democracyspeaks]

elbit systems Israel is a major player in JHMCS so we will be getting it no matter what.

Regarding comparsion of HMDS then all of them are 3rd generation HMDS, the one to be used for f-35 probably wud be fourth gen, still under development.