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Turks Love for Pakistanis

The videos you are posting are from "THE YOUNG TURK". Its a US program. So that guy have to put hateful comments on Persia specially so that his shows continues. He put lot of things against India when US India deal was in process just because he dont like bush so he offended everyone who bush was dealing with US in Bush era.
 
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okay I accept that I was ignorant about your relationship, didn't know about all that. Thank you feisty one for knocking sense into me.
BUT I won't take back what I said. nationalist countries only care about themselves in the end.

Look how much we have impressed you Iranians.

An Iranian stamp commemorating the centenary of Mohammad Ali Jinnah, printed in 1976.

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you might not, but Turks and Iranians definitely do.
Don't look @ the world through your own eyes.

Hello everyone,
I'm a Turkish guy who lives in Belgium, I was reading the newspapers this morning on the intrenet and just saw that our PM visits Pakistan (Punjab region) today and there was written that he got a very very warm hearted welcome (dont know if it is overrated by the news agency but they say that the world hasn't seen such a welcoming ever) from mr. Sahbaz Serif Punjab region "president"? It remembered me once more that "Turkic people" is not alone and we still got our Pakistani brothers in this corrupted eurocentric minded world. So I wanted to read some topic's about our relations in the short-past and the developments we made in economic/military branches and came up to this site. Well it was a great shock for me what some users wrote in this forum and I feeled that I must create a membership and have to say this:
First of all we the Turks see the Mughal Empire as one of our own great empires such as the Ottoman empire or the Gokturk empire there is no difference between those 3 in our history books and we consider now Pakistan as the legacy of this magnificent empire like we see the Turkish republic as the legacy of the Ottoman empire according to Turgut Ozakman(1 of the greatest historian/novel writer of Turkey) we are reborn like a Phoenix who has been rising from his ashes.
But beside that their was not a strong relation between our ppl before 1919 but after this date Pakistanis became so much much more for us. The first "Pakistani" we saw were forced Brittish/Indian brigades who were all the time sacrificed by the Britts to ambush some Turkish corpses. They were used as decoy's and that empethized us very deep at that time and the second thing that breaked our heart and raged us with hate against the Britts was that young boys who were used bears Kuran-i Kerim on his chests. That was a great shock for us "so they were using muslims to kill muslims" that was just disguisting!! But with the time those young boys helped us many times out. They helped us to ambush the Britts they released many Turkish prisoners, they treated our wounded men etc.. so these guys who later build Pakistan were considered as our own childeren who were stolen from there freedom by the Britts in 1919. Then later on Muhammed Ali Cinnah and Maghatma Ghandi made many speeches that supported us against the Western occupation forces that means a lot for us cauze u where the only one!! But "THE" reason that made youre ppl mine is that in that great war many Muslims from Brittish occupied India (Pakistanis from now) Sended aids to us but not just some money or weapons they had over. They sold their cows, they sold their fields, young girls who just get married has given their jewels, they just gived everything they could and send it with a ship to Anatolia but this ship never arrieved to us becauze they were captured by the Allied fleet and they took all over the money. But believe me that help came to us in a morel form and it endures still now. Thats the reason why Turkish ppl not just the stateheads tried to do everything to help you in 2005 we wanted as the Turkish ppl al over the world to stand by our only brother who standed long ago with us when we need it as the only one.
Insallah that day will never come but if one day Pakistanis hate us we will still feel a deep respect for you we will never forgot what you did for us back then and im not even counting what you did for us between 1919 and today.
So please whatever wich person say dont believe it thats his/her personal view. Turkish ppl really really adores you not only love.. its a sacred respect towards Pakistan we can die for the Cresent and star on your flag we can die for the white of freedom and we will die for the green of Islam. And the one who doesnt believe me.. Just go on a trip to Turkey you will see how much i lack in English and couldnt tell you the feelings of my pll against yours..
 
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Why do Turks Like Pakistan?


Many statesmen believe in that the states have no friends, but interests. That’s why the number of states which have ‘special relations’ is few. US-UK relations or US-Israel relations are exceptional. Even in these examples we see that the national interests are more important than the emotional dimension. In this framework Turkish-Pakistani relations have always been special. In spite of the geographical distance and the clear economic and social differences between two countries, Turks have always loved the Pakistanis. Although the Pakistanis are not Turkish origin people, they have always been called ‘brothers’ in Turkey. Brotherhood between these two countries was something emerged before the family ties between the Turkish Republics and Turkey to be bounded. Like many Turkish people I did not question Pakistan’s friendship, yet one of the answers I was trying to find prior to my 8 day-trip to Pakistan was the reasons of this profound sympathy. On the Pakistan way, may be first time in my life I wondered why do Turks like Pakistan? I thought whether the Turkish-Pakistani love is delusion or not.

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I will share my Pakistan notes in the near future, but in this essay I would rather try to understand the main roots of our Pakistan sympathy:

The things I saw in my 2000 km journey, including 5 cities from Karachi-southern coast- to Burban-the very north of Pakistan-, was totally devastating for me and the other members of the Turkish delegation. It is clear that Pakistan has been passing through difficult times in terms of politics, security and economics. My soul and heart were hurt by the level of difficulties these beautiful people face. Besides all that tragedy, I and other members of the Turkish delegation found out something that every visitor to Pakistan experience: Pakistan is certainly the country that likes Turkey the most in this world.

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In one of the meetings the USAK in Ankara, the Pakistani Ambassador Seyid Iftikhar Hüseyin Shah had answered very positively all our questions and declared Pakistan’s support for any political problem Turkey faces: For example when we talked about Cyprus issue, terror or any other important topics, all of which he replied: “Pakistan would support you”. An ambassador’s response this fast and impulsive was quite shocking for USAK researchers if it was not suspicious. After seeing the shocked expressions in our faces, Ambassador Shah smiled and looked into our eyes saying “Pakistan would always support Turkey, because your country is Turkey, and you are Turkish.” We simply understand that Turkey has Pakistan’s political support in any issue with no hesitation. Such support and ties were naturally unexpected for Anglo-Saxon type educated people like us and it was a surprise for us when we are talking about a so ‘alone country’ in Europe, Turkey. What is more impressive was that we heard the same replies throughout Islamabad, Karachi and Lahor. All Pakistanis told us that “Pakistan would always support Turkey just because you are Turkey, and you are Turkish”

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The first thing I discovered while I was questioning the reasons of this exceptional “chum” relationship was how lonely Pakistan was. Being stuck between India, Iran, Afghanistan and China, Pakistan suffers a great loneliness. All of Pakistan’s neighbors are either too problematic, like Afghanistan, or too distant from adopting a close relationship on equal terms with the country. Take India for example, after the British left, it started drawing a profile of “Big Brother” of the region. Iran, where there are still strong signs of a pursuit for the Persian Empire (or expansion of the Islamist regime?), is no different. On the contrary, Iran’s ‘intolerable’ conceit and desire for ideological propagation, makes it almost impossible to create a strong relationship. Afghanistan, probably the most similar country to Pakistan in terms of geography and demography, is now like a fireball and is ready to porch. Inside all the neighbors of Pakistan, the most loved one is certainly China. Because of its support to Pakistan in their relations with India, Chinese relations are special for Pakistanis. The “real China” is, however, is the very east of the country. Besides, it is fairly hard to imagine a Chinese – Pakistani closeness, compared to a one with Turkey. Moreover the relations with the West is also problematic. Although Islamabad Government has always been very helpful for the Western policies against terrorism, Pakistan cannot find a similar support and empathy in the West.

Turkey is certainly the most similar country to Pakistan in the world with its ‘special loneliness’. Although it is at the heart of the global issues and has quite strong ties with the East and the West, Turkey is not part of any world in reality. It is sui generis and Turkish people still feel aloneness in the West and in the region like Pakistan. It can be said that this shared aloneness is one of the factors in Turkish – Pakistani friendship. Turks can understand the Pakistanis before the double standards of the great powers.

Besides their common loneliness, the historical caliphate is believed to be another reason of the Turkish sympathy in Pakistan. The Ottoman sultans were considered the head of the all Muslims in many countries. Thanks to the Abdulhamid II’s efforts the influence of the Turkish caliphates’ increased dramatically in the Indian subcontinent. The Turks were considered as a balancing power against the occupying British in India. Therefore Indian Muslims felt themselves very close, even engaged, to the Anatolian Muslim Turks. More strangely, not only the Muslims, but also all other oppressed societies in India felt themselves close to the Ottoman Empire in these years. Including Gandhi, the Indians were all saddened by the declaration of secular Turkish Republic and the cassation of the caliphate chair. They were not against secularism but the evaporation of the Caliphate as they saw the Caliphate as an influential tool against imperialism in India. Despite their sadness, both Hindus and Muslim Indians respected Turkish people’s decision, continued to see citizens of the Modern Turkish Republic as the sons of the Ottomans.

Another factor of the sympathy was unfortunately the turmoil both Turkey and Pakistan experienced, particularly the military coups. The 12 September 1980 Coup’s General President Kenan Evren for instance was not welcomed at all in the Western European countries. He could only visit or more accurately only welcomed by Bulgaria, Romania, soma Arab countries and Pakistan. The same thing was, of course, true for Pakistan. Turkish officials have always welcomed Pakistanis no matter what their political conditions were.

Turkey’s strong support for Pakistan in the Kashmir case has also been a major contributor to the relationship. In spite of the problems with India, Turkey kept to its support and said: “… just because you are Pakistan.”

Although it is a debatable issue, another important point that needs to be mentioned here is the ethnic roots of Pakistan community. The country is clearly affected by the neighboring countries it stuck between. Fingerprints can be seen in its language, religion, culture and in many other areas. Its foods and music are, along with a lot other characteristics, is a synthesis. However, the Turkish signs can only be seen when looked closer. Even physical similarities can be observed. Turkish clans entering the inside of the Indian subcontinent have affected the region so deeply that its fingerprints inherited to the Pakistan of today. In other words, our ties with Pakistanis are not just mental, but we might also, with the help of modern science, observe different aspects of the ties by looking at the genes of our Pakistani brothers. Such a fact would certainly be shocking, but not very unexpected.

More recently, Turkey’s immediate help to Pakistan in the earthquake disaster was definitely the most major contributor to the relationship between the countries. All Pakistanis, from government officials to ordinary people, are very grateful for their brother country’s aids. They said that Turkey was there with both volunteers and officials helping them rescuing their people in a disaster which 75.000 people died. Moreover, they told us that Turks also did not leave immediately, but helped rebuilding the devastated country. They were so impressed from this immense help that Imam Abdullah said in a speech he made in Eidgahah Mosque: “Pakistan is Turkey and Turkey is Pakistan.”

Another recent contribution of the disaster to Turkish-Pakistani relationship is the fact that Turkish Premier, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, was the first leader to visit the country after the great disaster. Showing one more time the importance of timing in diplomacy, that his visit and speech impressed Pakistanis as much as Turkish aids did. Even though he may be aware of the consequences of his visit, Mr. Erdogan certainly did something very important for closeness between Pakistan and Turkey.

The last visit to Pakistan made by Turkish President Abdullah Gul was also important in this context. His visit after the devastating assassination of Benazir Bhutto, which is an incident that almost put the country into a chaos, proved Turkey’s support to the country one more time. The message President Gul gave by meeting with all leaders in the country was clear: “Pakistani leaders should stop fighting each other and maintain peace and unity in the country.” Thanks to the efforts of Turkish ambassador Engin Soysal and his team, Turkey has continued to play a special role in bridging the opposing Pakistani groups. It is clear that almost all Pakistani political parties trust on the Turks. That’s why Turkish diplomats or politicians can organize in a very limited time so many sensitive meetings which affect Pakistani political life.

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As a conclusion, it seems that Turks have enough reasons to see Pakistan as a brother country. Besides, the heating environment of the “Great Middle East” also brings countries like Turkey and Pakistan, and other countries affected by the United States policies in the region. The wrong policies of the White House force the regional powers to make more co-cooperation and Turkish-Pakistani relations is no exception.

I will continue writing on our Pakistan experiences. However, for now, I will stop here by telling people who do not believe in Turkey-Pakistan closeness that: We the Turks love Pakistanis because they are Pakistani.

Translated by Nilgun Gulcan and Kerem Kilic (JTW)

Why do Turks Like Pakistan?
bro, i just love Turkey, that article and you :yahoo:
 
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Hello everyone,
I'm a Turkish guy who lives in Belgium, I was reading the newspapers this morning on the intrenet and just saw that our PM visits Pakistan (Punjab region) today and there was written that he got a very very warm hearted welcome (dont know if it is overrated by the news agency but they say that the world hasn't seen such a welcoming ever) from mr. Sahbaz Serif Punjab region "president"? It remembered me once more that "Turkic people" is not alone and we still got our Pakistani brothers in this corrupted eurocentric minded world. So I wanted to read some topic's about our relations in the short-past and the developments we made in economic/military branches and came up to this site. Well it was a great shock for me what some users wrote in this forum and I feeled that I must create a membership and have to say this:
First of all we the Turks see the Mughal Empire as one of our own great empires such as the Ottoman empire or the Gokturk empire there is no difference between those 3 in our history books and we consider now Pakistan as the legacy of this magnificent empire like we see the Turkish republic as the legacy of the Ottoman empire according to Turgut Ozakman(1 of the greatest historian/novel writer of Turkey) we are reborn like a Phoenix who has been rising from his ashes.
But beside that their was not a strong relation between our ppl before 1919 but after this date Pakistanis became so much much more for us. The first "Pakistani" we saw were forced Brittish/Indian brigades who were all the time sacrificed by the Britts to ambush some Turkish corpses. They were used as decoy's and that empethized us very deep at that time and the second thing that breaked our heart and raged us with hate against the Britts was that young boys who were used bears Kuran-i Kerim on his chests. That was a great shock for us "so they were using muslims to kill muslims" that was just disguisting!! But with the time those young boys helped us many times out. They helped us to ambush the Britts they released many Turkish prisoners, they treated our wounded men etc.. so these guys who later build Pakistan were considered as our own childeren who were stolen from there freedom by the Britts in 1919. Then later on Muhammed Ali Cinnah and Maghatma Ghandi made many speeches that supported us against the Western occupation forces that means a lot for us cauze u where the only one!! But "THE" reason that made youre ppl mine is that in that great war many Muslims from Brittish occupied India (Pakistanis from now) Sended aids to us but not just some money or weapons they had over. They sold their cows, they sold their fields, young girls who just get married has given their jewels, they just gived everything they could and send it with a ship to Anatolia but this ship never arrieved to us becauze they were captured by the Allied fleet and they took all over the money. But believe me that help came to us in a morel form and it endures still now. Thats the reason why Turkish ppl not just the stateheads tried to do everything to help you in 2005 we wanted as the Turkish ppl al over the world to stand by our only brother who standed long ago with us when we need it as the only one.
Insallah that day will never come but if one day Pakistanis hate us we will still feel a deep respect for you we will never forgot what you did for us back then and im not even counting what you did for us between 1919 and today.
So please whatever wich person say dont believe it thats his/her personal view. Turkish ppl really really adores you not only love.. its a sacred respect towards Pakistan we can die for the Cresent and star on your flag we can die for the white of freedom and we will die for the green of Islam. And the one who doesnt believe me.. Just go on a trip to Turkey you will see how much i lack in English and couldnt tell you the feelings of my pll against yours..

Welcome to forum dude.
 
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because pakistanis make the best slaves along with Bosniaks.

Turkey/Arabs have rights to get a free hand in the region.
 
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Hi everybody,
Please don't mind what some of my retard countrymen say about Iranians and Pakistanis relation.
I am an Iranian, and I have cried for Pakistan Flood casualties happened some years ago when I don't actually cry while my neighbors die.
What I am trying to say is that some bonds are just unbreakable no matter what others say. and If someday I was given the choice to choose my neighboring countries deliberately, definitely Pakistan would be among them.
 
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careful , now these paksitanis will start claiming your land as theirs... lol....


I mean no visa policy for paks.

:) thats something between us and him that you never will able to understand you have to be a Turk or Pakistani to understand. I dont give a shit what not Pakistanis or Turks think about my article in THIS forum.. i just wrote my feelings to them not to you so plz not argue with me if i wanted to talk with ur ppl i would search for an other forum.
And like i said in my article whatever u say the fact of our special bound will not change so spare youre energie for something usefull..
 
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@Mahmut Babur Saka

Welcome to the forum bro. Indeed there was a lot of respect for Turks in Pakistan even before independence and WWI was a really testing time for us. Still despite fighting for the British, there are many examples of soldiers hailing from todays Pakistan simply refusing to fight or being forced to the front under threat of court martial. For example the 15th Lancers of the "British Indian" army (today part of the Baloch Regiment of Pakistan Army) which was made up entirely of ethnic groups that today live in Pakistan and was 100% Muslim, rebelled in Basra when being told to march towards the front to fight the Turks. Some soldiers were then court martialled and shot at the spot whilst the rest were transferred to Burma as prisoners. Similarly the 5th Light Infantry (which was again made up of Muslim Punjabis and Pashtuns) rebelled in Singapore in 1915, when a rumour spread that they were being transferred to the Middle Eastern front to fight the Turks. Again many were court martialled and shot at the spot (refer to the picture below) or made prisoners).
And yes I was in Istanbul last year and experienced in person the respect Turks have for Pakistan. Theres not many countries in the world today where if you say you are from Pakistan, in return you get a big smile and a Mashallah! Thats why Turkey has a special place for Pakistanis.

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I am definitely going to visit turkey now. I loved you people and now I am loving you even more.The only country which thinks positive about Pakistan no matter what happens.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, have you seen your face? dont mess up turkey with your bad habits lol just jking

dont mind this post please and dont report it lol, i was just taking out my excessive happiness
 
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