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Turkish suppliers to be eliminated from F-35 program in 2020
By: Valerie Insinna   18 hours ago

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A mock-up of the F-35 cockpit is on display at an air show in Cigli, Turkey. (dardanellas/Getty Images)

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is preparing to transfer Turkey’s industrial participation in the F-35 to other countries unless Ankara reverses course on its plans to buy the Russian S-400 air defense system.

The move — which in early 2020 would end contracts with major Turkish defense contractors such as Turkish Aerospace Industries, Roketsan and Tusas Engine Industries, among many others — is just one of many steps the U.S. Defense Department intends to take to strip Turkey from the F-35 program, according to a June 6 letter from acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan.

The training of Turkish F-35 pilots at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona and of Turkish maintainers at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, will also end, Shanahan wrote, and U.S. military exercises in Turkey are in jeopardy.


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“If Turkey procures the S-400, as we discussed during our call on May 28, 2019, our two countries must develop a plan to discontinue Turkey’s participation in the F-35 program,” Shanahan wrote in the letter, which was addressed to his counterpart, Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar. “While we seek to maintain our valued relationship, Turkey will not receive the F-35 if Turkey takes delivery of the S-400.”

However, Ellen Lord, undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment, noted that Turkish participation in the program would be allowed to continue if it drops its plan to buy the Russian air defense system. The delivery of the S-400 could occur as early as this month.


“Turkey still has the option to change course. If Turkey does not accept delivery of the S-400, we will enable Turkey to return to normal F-35 program activities,” she told reporters Friday. “Turkey is a close NATO ally and our military-to-military relationship is strong.”

Turkey, a partner in the F-35 program that helped fund the development of the jet, plans to buy 100 F-35As.

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Its first jet was rolled out in June 2018 in a festive “delivery ceremony,” but although Turkey formally owns its jets, the United States has the power to keep the planes from moving to Turkish soil and intends to keep all four existing Turkish jets from leaving the United States.


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Lord told reporters that the Pentagon is still deciding what it will do with Turkey’s jets. One option would be to buy the aircraft and repurpose them for the U.S. Air Force, but no official decision has been made.

Turkish companies are responsible for 937 parts used to build the F-35, with 400 of those sole-sourced from Turkish firms, Lord said. Existing contracts would go through a “disciplined and graceful wind down” period in “early 2020,” Lord said.


“If we can work to our timelines with the Turks, we would have no major disruptions and very few delays,” she said.

Vice Adm. Mat Winter, the F-35’s program executive, said in April that 50-75 aircraft could be delayed over a two-year period if Turkey is removed from the program, according to Breaking Defense. But Lord said those disruptions would occur only if the Pentagon terminated its supply chain agreements this summer.

Ultimately, prime contractors Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney will make the decisions on which subcontractors replace the Turkish vendors, but the Pentagon has identified new suppliers that could step up and make the parts currently sole-sourced by Turkey.

“They are predominantly U.S. sources. That’s not to say that we won’t continue to do what we always do with program management and look for other sources, because we would like to have second, third sources for most of the items,” she said.

The Defense Department has already stopped material deliveries to Turkey, halting the buildup of an engine overhaul facility that was planned to be built in and operated by Turkey.


“There are two other European MRO&Us [maintenance, repair, overhaul and upgrade facilities] that can absorb the volume with no issue whatsoever,” Lord said.

Despite Turkey’s industrial role in the program, Lord said she was confident that all important technical information would stay secure.

"We control what is downloaded from our computers. We have shared what's appropriate. The Turks have no critical documentation that we're concerned about,” she said.

What’s the impact on Turkish F-35 training?

The most immediate impact to Turkey, according to the letter from Shanahan, is that no new Turkish students will begin F-35 training at Luke Air Force Base. This defers the training of 20 students scheduled to begin training in June, as well as 14 students between July and November 2019.

“This training will not occur because we are suspending Turkey from the F-35 program; there are no longer requirements to gain proficiencies on the systems,” according to a document attached to the letter that spelled out the schedule for Turkey’s removal from the program.


In addition, the country will not be allowed to attend the annual F-35 Chief Executive Officer roundtable on June 12 — depriving Turkey of the opportunity to give input on any changes to the program’s governing documents.


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But the most major day of reckoning is July 31, when Turkish personnel would no longer be allowed to access Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, where pilots are trained; Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, where maintainers are trained; or the F-35 Joint Program Office in Washington, D.C., where Turkish “cooperative project personnel” are stationed. Instead, the Turkish personnel must depart the United States and return to their country.

There are currently 42 Turkish military personnel training at Luke and Eglin — four pilots, and the rest maintainers. The July 31 deadline would allow 28 of them to complete their training, but the remainder would be sent home before their training naturally concluded, according to information attached to Shanahan’s letter.

The two Turkish instructor pilots based at Luke, who have completed the F-35 pilot training, would also be sent back to Turkey.

The larger impact


The situation with Turkey is fraught for myriad political and national security reasons. As the lone predominantly Muslim nation in NATO, Turkey occupies an important position in the alliance. The nation is also home to Incirlik Air Base, which is used by both the U.S. and Turkish air forces.

In the hopes of resolving the issue, the United States has sent technical teams to Ankara and hosted meetings in Washington to discuss the threat posed by the S-400 and the Pentagon’s offer of Raytheon’s Patriot air and missile defense system.

So far, those efforts have been unsuccessful, with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan continuing to make strong statements in support of an S-400 buy and the country’s defense minister acknowledging that Turkish military personnel had been sent to Russia for training on the air defense system.


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Asked whether a final decision to buy the S-400 should be interpreted as Turkey bolstering its relationship with Russia at the expense of NATO, Andrew Winternitz, acting deputy assistant secretary of defense for Europe, demurred.

“Our counterparts really want to continue our really strategic partnership and our cooperation at NATO. And so we hope this is an aberration,” he said.


If Turkey buys the S-400, he added, “it changes our relationship, but it’s not something that we hope is going to disturb the many-layered strategic partnership that we have in Turkey across a number of issues.”

But other political actions may be unavoidable.

Should Turkey move forward with the S-400 purchase, it could trigger additional sanctions from Congress as part of the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, which penalizes U.S. partners who purchase Russian military equipment.

It could also impact future military exercises in Turkey, Winternitz said.
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Turkey should go ahead with S-400 deal. Turkey shouldn't allow the US to dictate its internal affairs. If Turkey fails to secure S-400 deal after so much pressure, it will make them look weak and bad.

The article clearly mentions how torn apart the American officials are. This is by no means a one way street. The Americans really do need Turkey as a strategic ally, but also want to force Turkey to abandon the S-400 deal. It is a double edged sword for the Americans. By putting pressure on Turkey the Americans are also undermining the whole relationship and essentially their own interests. Worse, it will also impact Turkey NATO alliance which has also been under considerable strain since the failed coup attempt.

US demands have already tainted the relationship between Turkey and US. From here on its all about who loses face.
 
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Turkey should go for S400 and Russian fighter jets. Never bow down for US bullying. Get closer to China, Russia and threaten with leaving NATO.

Turkey has strong cards. It can apply tremendous pressure against US/NATO.

Let's be very clear here. The US/NATO view their relationship with Turkey as purely strategic and transactional. Turkey has after so many decades still not gained EU entry.

There is a strong sense of urgency from within Turkey to change course and look towards China, Russia and others.
 
Long ago i predicted Turkey won't get F35 if he get S400. And last week, US govt said same lines. " Sharing F35 data against S400 system" will be disaster for whole F35 program. Eventually, Turkey will test F35 against S400 system and Russian tech will pass the data to Russia authorities. That is American concern.
Any Turkish friend input about this concern .... please.
But this is not final yet, At any point US may consider to deliver F35 to Turkey.
 
Turkey should go for S400 and Russian fighter jets. Never bow down for US bullying. Get closer to China, Russia and threaten with leaving NATO.

Amerika thinks it is NATO, NATO is more than two dozen separate sovereign countries. Turkey for their own safety should never leave nato, just kick out goons from Turkey who use Turkey as a military base.
 
Why didn’t Turkey just wait till it had some F35s in its possession and then order the S400?
What you said is spot on. I love Turkey and it's people but I somehow find the Turkish government policies and strategies immature. All the Islamic states have this problem, we are so behind in politics and planning/relations.

Turkey should have known that if they order the s400 then they will not get the F35. They should have waited till they receive the F35 in 50 numbers and then requested USA and Europe for an advance air defence system, If for example the USA and Europe refused then they could have said we will make our own advance system so please help us build it. If again Europe and USA denied the technology then they could have said we will buy Russian s400.

Only then this dispute should have started.
Also same goes to Turkish economy. If turkey cannot survive without Europe and USA then why give a finger to them. Take a step back and build relations with China Russia but also keep your interests with Europe and USA aswell. Balance your trade with both super powers and if Europe complains then say let us inside EU then.

Turkish leadership is acting with emotions and not playing good politics. What will you get from Russia? Russia is weak economically and military it is slowly falling behind.
F35 is an amazing fighting machine. I highly doubt Russia/China or even turkey can build something close to it.

I can see a weaker Turkey in the future. They will leave Nato aswell but the problem is Turkey cannot make its own weapons, Turkey economy is West oriented. If Turkey wanted to turn it's directon towards Asia/Africa then they should have done this around 2030 when China will become the super power and Russia and Asia more powerful. Maybe even Africa would have been more richer.
 
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What you said is spot on. I love Turkey and it's people but I somehow find the Turkish government policies and strategies immature. All the Islamic states have this problem, we are so behind in politics and planning/relations.

Turkey should have known that if they order the s400 then they will not get the F35. They should have waited till they receive the F35 in 50 numbers and then requested USA and Europe for an advance air defence system, If for example the USA and Europe refused then they could have said we will make our own advance system so please help us build it. If again Europe and USA denied the technology then they could have said we will buy Russian s400.

Only then this dispute should have started.
Also same goes to Turkish economy. If turkey cannot survive without Europe and USA then why give a finger to them. Take a step back and build relations with China Russia but also keep your interests with Europe and USA aswell. Balance your trade with both super powers and if Europe complains then say let us inside EU then.

Turkish leadership is acting with emotions and not playing good politics. What will you get from Russia? Russia is weak economically and military it is slowly falling behind.
F35 is an amazing fighting machine. I highly doubt Russia/China or even turkey can build something close to it.

I can see a weaker Turkey in the future. They will leave Nato aswell but the problem is Turkey cannot make its own weapons, Turkey economy is West oriented. If Turkey wanted to turn it's directon towards Asia/Africa then they should have done this around 2030 when China will become the super power and Russia and Asia more powerful. Maybe even Africa would have been more richer.

Yes you are right and this is a steady pattern by leading Muslim nations squandering advantages and making tactical mistakes in geo politics.

I still don’t understand how Sudan lost 1/2 of its territory after their conflict but Pakistan with its much stronger claim to Kashmir resolution is still waiting.

Then we have the Arabs who despite being blessed with the wealth and the early advantages to resolve the conflict in favour of Palestinians have been reduced to bystanders in that too.

If Turkey had thought this through then they would have literally done what you had suggested.

I think the next OIC session needs to start with a seminar to teach these leaders not to keep making these basic errors.
 
Yes you are right and this is a steady pattern by leading Muslim nations squandering advantages and making tactical mistakes in geo politics.

I still don’t understand how Sudan lost 1/2 of its territory after their conflict but Pakistan with its much stronger claim to Kashmir resolution is still waiting.

Then we have the Arabs who despite being blessed with the wealth and the early advantages to resolve the conflict in favour of Palestinians have been reduced to bystanders in that too.

If Turkey had thought this through then they would have literally done what you had suggested.

I think the next OIC session needs to start with a seminar to teach these leaders not to keep making these basic errors.

It's a bitter pill to swollow but it's a fact. I am still shocked that Turkey shot Russian su34 in the Syrian war. Why didn't the west shoot the Russian planes? But it had to be Turkey, even if russian planes entered Turkey, it was accidental entry. Remember Russia didn't want to fight Turkey, it just wanted to help Assad.

Then the coup happened in Turkey. I believe erdogan government believes it was supported by the West and this is why their government changed its stance. This is again a big mistake. Yes even if USA supported it, then this still doesn't mean you change your direction 180%. Turkey should have instead realised the west is not for us so we will slowly open our trade, market, relations with Russia, Middle least, Africa and China. This should have taken them 20+ years. Then the west would have realised they have made a big mistake. This way after 20 years turkey could have had mixure economy, military between west, East and their own. This way they would have become powerful. This would have sent a strong message to all of the world that don't mess with Turkey. A clever policy.

Look at Pakistan. We knew after the 1990s Sanctions that West is not for us but China wasn't powerful then. Pakistan still tried to keep its relations with the west but also build up a strong relation with China the emerging power. Now China is a huge power and even the west knows Pakistan is in China camp. Still we try to get as much as from the west. Pakistan doesn't use threatening tone against anybody. It slowly built it's nuclear weapons and missile arsenal for defence. I know people call us West stooges but the reality is we are a poor nation. We don't have oil gas and we dont invent technology. So we will have to grow a thick skin in order to deal with the west bullying.

We have to realise Muslim nations are on the back foot. We need hard work in order to catch up, use clever policies. If you mess with USA then all Europe will back them. Where will you send your exports? The poor nations will not buy from you? Who will help you in your fight against the west? Certainly not the Muslim nations otherwise Palestine would be free, Iraq war would not have happened? Millions of Muslims are dying and we cannot help them and somehow we think we are powerful. We cannot even make a Muslim NATO. Even a joint Muslims science and technology Institute.
 
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It's a bitter pill to swollow but it's a fact. I am still shocked that Turkey shot Russian su34 in the Syrian war. Why didn't the west shoot the Russian planes? But it had to be Turkey, even if russian planes entered Turkey, it was accidental entry. Remember Russia didn't want to fight Turkey, it just wanted to help Assad.

Then the coup happened in Turkey. I believe erdogan government believes it was supported by the West and this is why their government changed its stance. This is again a big mistake. Yes even if USA supported it, then this still doesn't mean you change your direction 180%. Turkey should have instead realised the west is not for us so we will slowly open our trade, market, relations with Russia, Middle least, Africa and China. This should have taken them 20+ years. Then the west would have realised they have made a big mistake. This way after 20 years turkey could have had mixure economy, military between west, East and their own. This way they would have become powerful. This would have sent a strong message to all of the world that don't mess with Turkey. A clever policy.

Look at Pakistan. We knew after the 1990s Sanctions that West is not for us but China wasn't powerful then. Pakistan still tried to keep its relations with the west but also build up a strong relation with China the emerging power. Now China is a huge power and even the west knows Pakistan is in China camp. Still we try to get as much as from the west. Pakistan doesn't use threatening tone against anybody. It slowly built it's nuclear weapons and missile arsenal for defence. I know people call us West stooges but the reality is we are a poor nation. We don't have oil gas and we dont invent technology. So we will have to grow a thick skin in order to deal with the west bullying.

We have to realise Muslim nations are on the back foot. We need hard work in order to catch up, use clever policies. If you mess with USA then all Europe will back them. Where will you send your exports? The poor nations will not buy from you? Who will help you in your fight against the west? Certainly not the Muslim nations otherwise Palestine would be free, Iraq war would not have happened? Millions of Muslims are dying and we cannot help them and somehow we think we are powerful. We cannot even make a Muslim NATO. Even a joint Muslims science and technology Institute.

You are spot on. The problem is all that u explained requires long term planning, something that is not done by nations where centre of power changes. Still turks should have acted smarter.
Pakistan on the other hand traded very carefully and smartly. And still is. The reason i guess we know is because centre of power is one since 1971. Seems as if even the liberal political parties in power were used to achieve this stable transition lolz... Genius
 

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