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Turkish Navy and PM to accompany more aid ships to Gaza

in my opinion, if india really cared for the Palestinians and really condemned this barbaric act committed by israel then india would have severed many ties with israel just like other countries have done!

Thats your thoughts ... India does nt really follow the banning everything policy. We always go for dialogues/ discussions.

Severing ties doesn't make any sense since its not an issue that is with India.

Even Turkey hasn't cut off all the relations . Read the military news about supply of arms not to get affected.
 
in my opinion, if india really cared for the Palestinians and really condemned this barbaric act committed by israel then india would have severed many ties with israel just like other countries have done!

India does care for Palestanians .The last time the palestanian PM visited India ,India had donated 11miliion dollars.Serving ties with Isreal is definitely not an opton for India.
 
My take is that the smartest thing Turkey can do right now is to talk but do nothing. No matter how much some may boast about ship figures over the Israeli Navy, Turkey simply cannot afford to have a shooting fight with one of the world's most combat experienced militaries. No armed escorts. Nothing. The Arabs have proven themselves cowards. Turkey, who is trying to suck up to them, can do no worse.

Oh Gambit you make me laugh. You know far well the outcome if a naval conflict happens. I am actually surprised you think that Turkey is inexperienced that hurt my feelings you know:rofl: your lack of knowledge in this. Go on though :pop: Just remember where Israel trains and asks to be accepted for training which for the second year were denied I wonder why they keep asking though.
 
in my opinion, if india really cared for the Palestinians and really condemned this barbaric act committed by israel then india would have severed many ties with israel just like other countries have done!

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Oh Gambit you make me laugh. You know far well the outcome if a naval conflict happens. I am actually surprised you think that Turkey is inexperienced that hurt my feelings you know:rofl: your lack of knowledge in this. Go on though :pop: Just remember where Israel trains and asks to be accepted for training which for the second year were denied I wonder why they keep asking though.
Comments like this regarding military affairs make me laugh. You seems to be under the impression that the words 'train' or 'training' implies a superior-inferior relationship. That is so wrong on so many levels.
 
Turkey sees no impact on Israel drone delivery

ANKARA: Turkey’s Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul said on Tuesday a diplomatic crisis with Israel after the Jewish state stormed a Turkish-backed aid convoy will not affect the planned delivery of Israel-made Heron drones to Turkey. Israel’s long-time Muslim ally Turkey has recalled its envoy to Israel and cancelled joint military exercises after Israeli marines raided an aid flotilla bound for Gaza on Monday. Earlier this year, the two countries, which have a close military alliance, wrapped up the purchase of 10 Heron drones in a deal worth $180 million. reuters

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More aid ships headed to Gaza


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Detained activists from the Gaza-bound flotilla flash victory signs as their bus arrives at Ben Gurion airport near Tel Aviv on Wednesday. The Free Gaza Movement said more ships are headed to the region, as Israel quickened its expulsion of detained activists.

The Free Gaza Movement was on Wednesday preparing to send more aid ships to Gaza, amid claims that Israel may have sabotaged the aid flotilla, one of the founders of the pro-Palestinian movement told DPA.

The Irish cargo-ship MV Rachel Corrie could reach Gaza within two weeks, said Greta Berlin. Among the activists on board was Irish Nobel Peace laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire Helen as well as former UB assistant secretary general Dennis Halliday.

Ms. Berlin refused to give the exact position of the vessel as she said the movement suspected Israel had been trying to sabotage the aid flotilla bound for Gaza.

The MS Rachel Corrie had been set to join the convoy headed by the Turkish Marvi Marmara but had suffered sudden damage, forcing it to interrupt its voyage at Cyprus. Another two vessels, the Challenger I and Challenger II had also malfunctioned suddenly, Ms. Berlin said.

Inspections of the ships had shown that the electric wires may have been tampered with, Ms. Berlin said, adding they were still awaiting the results of a full investigation.

The rest of the convoy headed by the Marvi Marmara was on Monday forcefully intercepted by Israel. Nine activists were killed when Israeli soldiers stormed the boats, prompting a wave of international outrage against Israel’s operation.

Four of the dead have so far been identified as Turks, Turkish officials said on Wednesday.

Ms. Berlin’s remarks followed comments by Israeli Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai on Israel Radio, clearly hinting Israel took covert action to sabotage the convoy.

Asked whether there had been alternatives to an assault, Mr. Vilnai said, “All possibilities had been considered,” adding “the fact is that there were fewer than the 10 ships that were supposed to participate in the flotilla”.

The Irish cargo ship is loaded with 1,200 tonnes of aid earmarked for Gaza, including 560 tonnes of cement, 100 tonnes of medical equipment among them CAT scanners, a dental office and 200 electric and regular wheelchairs, as well as papers, sports gear and crayons for children.

“We’re determined to continue with sending boats to Gaza,” Ms. Berlin said.

She rejected Israel’s charges that the activists on board the Mavi Marmara had initiated the violence by attacking the Israeli commandos landing on deck from helicopters with iron rods, chairs and knives.

The Israelis had started to shoot into the crowd for no justifiable reasons, she said.

“And for anyone to be so awful as to says that some sticks are a match for machine guns, stun guns, teargas cannisters and a heavily armed Israeli militia that’s boarding our ships in international waters has a serious issue with who is the real terrorist,” she said.

Israel on Wednesday released 449 of the some 600 foreign activists who had been on board the Gaza aid flotilla and were subsequently detained by Israel in a prison in the south of the country, a spokeswoman for Israel Prison Service told DPA.

They included 123 nationals from Arab states, among them Jordanians and Kuwaitis, who were taken on busses to Israel’s Allenby border crossing over the River Jordan with Israel’s eastern neighbour over night.

The rest were taken to Israel’s Ben Gurion International Airport near Tel Aviv for deportation abroad, most of them Turks.

Israel also said it dispatched 10 truckloads of the aid on board the flotilla to the Kerem Shalom crossing point for transportation into Gaza over land, including medical equipment, wheel chairs, and some food, Major Guy Inbar told DPA.



The Hindu : News / International : More aid ships headed to Gaza
 
Turkey sees no impact on Israel drone delivery

ANKARA: Turkey’s Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul said on Tuesday a diplomatic crisis with Israel after the Jewish state stormed a Turkish-backed aid convoy will not affect the planned delivery of Israel-made Heron drones to Turkey. Israel’s long-time Muslim ally Turkey has recalled its envoy to Israel and cancelled joint military exercises after Israeli marines raided an aid flotilla bound for Gaza on Monday. Earlier this year, the two countries, which have a close military alliance, wrapped up the purchase of 10 Heron drones in a deal worth $180 million. reuters

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

That is a very brave and determined response by Turkey to this incident. They are surely not climbing down and have come out clear victors from this very wise incident.
 
Comments like this regarding military affairs make me laugh. You seems to be under the impression that the words 'train' or 'training' implies a superior-inferior relationship. That is so wrong on so many levels.

Why of course it doesn't just like when turkey goes to red flag. You know why we go there ? For the level of training. You know why Israel comes to the Anatolian Eagle ? The level of training. The night training the Anatolian eagle gives can only be had in the U.S., Canada, and Turkey.
 
Of course Turkey will not espouse the military option. They cannot and neither was that any part of the original plan. It was a huge miscalculation thinking that domestically with the increased identification with the conflict, some political rewards could be encashed.

And there is nothing else the Turkey can do even politically. They do not have any say in the Islamic world worth its name and no-one north of Istanbul gives a dime to what Turkey thinks.

So what way out will they find except for mere raising of rhetoric and finally hope that another bigger news drowns this out.

trust me turkey have alot of repect in the muslim world for variouse reasons. if you have got time check my previous posts about turkey and see how much i was critical of turkey(just specifc issues and nothing more), but i personally now have the highest respect for them, you can imagine how the other people will feel about turkey now.
 
Why of course it doesn't just like when turkey goes to red flag. You know why we go there ? For the level of training. You know why Israel comes to the Anatolian Eagle ? The level of training. The night training the Anatolian eagle gives can only be had in the U.S., Canada, and Turkey.
When I commented that Israel is one of the world's most combat experienced militaries, you had a knee jerk reaction to the imaginary charge that Turkey is inexperience. Equals often trains together and to each other as no one has experience at everything, be it in the air or in the seas. You do not know what you are talking about. Heck...When I was in Incirlik, I saw the kid at the main gate carrying a rifle longer than he was tall. I was not very confident on how USAF Security Police could train with this Turkish equal.
 
trust me turkey have alot of repect in the muslim world for variouse reasons. if you have got time check my previous posts about turkey and see how much i was critical of turkey(just specifc issues and nothing more), but i personally now have the highest respect for them, you can imagine how the other people will feel about turkey now.

Bro, my experience is from first hand discussion with Arabs in the middle east and with the Turks. I am at these places every few weeks. And trust me, never try to praise anything Arab in front of a Turk. They like to be associated with the Ottoman culture more than the Arab culture. That is why the difference in lifestyles and religious tolerance so far.

This incident was primarily to raise the religious decibel within Turkey by M/s Gul & Erdogan + right wingers professing increased religious space in Turkish politics which has been hitherto denied by the military in the past.

But they did not gamble on what this ended up as. The Turkish had never any great love for any of the causes like Palestine. Yes currently they are very bothered about the Iraq situation because of the PKK angle.

Now there is disillusion with the EU membership and there is no support in the Islamic world. Please name any country besides what Iran and Syria and Zardari might say today and let us discuss the love that Turkey has in the Muslim world. :cheers:
 

Bro, my experience is from first hand discussion with Arabs in the middle east and with the Turks. I am at these places every few weeks. And trust me, never try to praise anything Arab in front of a Turk. They like to be associated with the Ottoman culture more than the Arab culture. That is why the difference in lifestyles and religious tolerance so far.

why do you mix the arab culture with islam anyway? i am a muslim but i dont give a damn what the arab culture is? i have got my own old culture , language and tradtion and i am proud of it, the same thing goes with the turks.

This incident was primarily to raise the religious decibel within Turkey by M/s Gul & Erdogan + right wingers professing increased religious space in Turkish politics which has been hitherto denied by the military in the past./QUOTE]

it is not about right or left, it is about how people see this situation and the politicians have no way out of this but to repect people's opinion.


But they did not gamble on what this ended up as. The Turkish had never any great love for any of the causes like Palestine. Yes currently they are very bothered about the Iraq situation because of the PKK angle.

you should know that this ship was not planned by the turkish gov, it was planned by many activist from all around the world including jews, europeans, and americans.

Now there is disillusion with the EU membership and there is no support in the Islamic world. Please name any country besides what Iran and Syria and Zardari might say today and let us discuss the love that Turkey has in the Muslim world. :cheers:

hope you are not mixing the public with the dictatorships in the ME countries.
 
When I commented that Israel is one of the world's most combat experienced militaries, you had a knee jerk reaction to the imaginary charge that Turkey is inexperience. Equals often trains together and to each other as no one has experience at everything, be it in the air or in the seas. You do not know what you are talking about. Heck...When I was in Incirlik, I saw the kid at the main gate carrying a rifle longer than he was tall. I was not very confident on how USAF Security Police could train with this Turkish equal.

I am not saying the Israeli Air force isn't experienced they are one of the best everyone knows that. I am surprised at your comments like you seem to be under some impression that Turkey is to be compared to Israel's Arab foes. I am even more surprised that you have been to Incirlik and still think this way. You saw a young soldier with a G-3 and that is what came to your mind ? Logically you would think he was doing his conscription. I am guessing arrogance got the better of you though.
 
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Turkey's Shift on Israel

Letters to the International Herald Tribune - Turkey's Shift on Israel - NYTimes.com





Turkey’s shift on Israel

Turkey’s frustration over its futile E.U. membership efforts, its over-due awakening to Iran’s growing emergence as a regional “super power” within the Islamic world, along with Ankara’s domestic political concerns are three factors that explain the recent shift in its policy toward Israel. Turkey can no longer be on the losing side; it has to re-adjust its foreign policy to rapidly changing circumstances.

Turkey’s deeply rooted security relationship with Israel, and its counterinsurgency involvement in Afghanistan in its capacity as a NATO member will now undergo an acute review. Its support for the Palestinian cause and its quest for a more dynamic role in the Islamic world will increase. We are bound to hear more of Turkey and its re-found identity.

Israel should acknowledge that, given this momentum, time is not on its side. Tel Aviv should know better than to rely too much on a Western world afflicted with its own problems and its own long-term interests. Israel should seriously consider that the threat it claims it is facing might after all not be originating from Iran but from its own self-defeating policies.

Israel is not doing justice to its history and its prophets. The country must wake up and accept change in the form of a reconciliation with the realities of today, while it can, rather than subjecting itself to further risks.

Dariush Shilati-Fard,Tehran
 
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