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LHD and F-35B: The Debate Opens Up
(About Australian Juan Carlos LHD and F-35)​

Debate over the possibility of operating F-35B aircraft from the Canberra LHDs has opened up—a good thing. This post offers technical and tactical thoughts to stimulate the debate and challenge recent assertions.

The feasibility of acquiring an F-35B/LHD capability is a key issue. Some assert that it’d be highly complex, take the ships out of service for long periods, cost $500 million, and require decades to achieve. Those assertions massively overstate the problems and ignore a plethora of inconvenient facts.

The Canberras retain the essential capability of the “Juan Carlos I” design, including features that support the F-35B. They have air traffic control facilities for helicopter operations, which would support short take-off and vertical landing, although an additional lighting system may be required for bad weather operations. The F-35B wouldn’t require large “specialised” maintenance facilities to be built into the ship, although adaptation of existing spaces might be required. The Canberras have enough fuel to support F-35Bs, and large weapons magazines. Claims to the contrary are incorrect.

Flight-deck heating issues are consistently overstated. Heat-resistant coatings might be required, but are easily applied. Other measures such as a “creeping” vertical landing would further alleviate what’s already a minor issue.

The bottom line? Operating the F-35B from LHDs is technically feasible and well within the capability of the ADF. It wouldn’t be free, but nor would it break the bank.

Turning to strategic aspects, the laws of operational physics mean that the closer an aircraft is to target, the greater its effect. In many scenarios an LHD could get F-35s far closer to a theatre of operations than is possible by using far distant land bases. In many scenarios, it’d be the only option.

See link for whole article

Steve George was an air engineer officer in the Royal Navy for 28 years, and served in HMS Invincible during the 1982 Falklands operation. During his career, he was closely involved with the Sea Harrier, and also with joint RN/RAF Harrier operations. Retiring from the RN as a Commander, he joined the JSF programme to work on F-35B ship suitability. He is now an engineering consultant. This article was first published in The Strategist, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute blog, and is reprinted with kind permission.

LHD and F-35B: The Debate Opens Up | The Diplomat

 

[LordTyrannus]

You should buy the new french mistral. They are already build and fit for usage in the northern seas around the northpole.

It is better for Russia if you buy them instead of Britain or French navy. But you should not use them in black sea against us.

You should use them to put demand on the resources of the northpole against USA and europe and their lackeys.

 

[Kamil_baku]

You should buy the new french mistral. They are already build and fit for usage in the northern seas around the northpole.

It is better for Russia if you buy them instead of Britain or French navy. But you should not use them in black sea against us.

You should use them to put demand on the resources of the northpole against USA and europe and their lackeys.

There is no need to use them in Black sea. Turkey will have LST for transferring ground forces. Its thought to be used for long distance, such as around north Africa or somewhere else(or just to show the power). Also, to be honest, Turkey will never purchase it as it might be sensitive for Russian government, you want to keep good relationship with Russia

 

[T-123456]

There is no need to use them in Black sea. Turkey will have LST for transferring ground forces. Its thought to be used for long distance, such as around north Africa or somewhere else(or just to show the power). Also, to be honest, Turkey will never purchase it as it might be sensitive for Russian government, you want to keep good relationship with Russia

Maybe Putin asks Erdogan to ''buy'' them so that they can be ''sold'' to Russia in the future?

 

[Timur]

Maybe Putin asks Erdogan to ''buy'' them so that they can be ''sold'' to Russia in the future?

As if fransmany would sell us such a thing those who dont sell 1000 Tanks won't sell another powefull thing

 

[T-123456]

As if fransmany would sell us such a thing those who dont sell 1000 Tanks won't sell another powefull thing

Relax and think rational.
Times have changed.
France would sell us everything Spain does and more but because of the costs(expensive) of French equipment and the better deals we get elsewhere,we go for other suppliers.
Just wait for the T-Lorimads deal and see if they will or will not sell us.

 

[nomi007]

is Spanish ship Juan Carlos I (L61) capable to handle f-35B ?

 

[Hakan]

is Spanish ship Juan Carlos I (L61) capable to handle f-35B ?

It handled the harrier so i dont see why the f35 wouldn't work.

 

[Neptune]

Yes it is. However there are concerns whether the flight deck was capable of blast resistance or not.

 

[truthseeker2010]

How much will this ship cost?

 

[Hakan]

How much will this ship cost?

Contract is woth $500 million

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Navantia Press Release:
Navantia consigue el diseño del LHD que se construirá en Turquía - Ferrol - Diario de Ferrol
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Spanish Company will have 800.000 man-hour share.


Total Contract Value = 500 million dollar
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Navantia = 140 million euro
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Sedef = 300 million dollar

Navantia's Responsibilities:

1- Design
2- ToT
3- Technical Consultation
4- 4x LCM- 1E. Landing Craft
5- Engine
6- Turbines
7- Integrated Platform Control System




Navantia consigue el diseño del LHD que se construirá en Turquía - Ferrol - Diario de Ferrol

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[Neptune]

It'll be $1 billion. We'll also buy a dozen of Seahawks and Chinooks for that ship. In addition; 5th Battalion will be established within the Amphibious Naval Infantry Brigade. Add that 13x MBTs, APCs, AAVs...etc.

 

[telkon]

How much will this ship cost?

Contract is woth $500 million

It'll be $1 billion. We'll also buy a dozen of Seahawks and Chinooks for that ship. In addition; 5th Battalion will be established within the Amphibious Naval Infantry Brigade. Add that 13x MBTs, APCs, AAVs...etc.

lpd project cost is 1.7 billion $, including:

1 LPD and 4 Landing Craft Mechanics (LCM), 27 Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAV), 2 Landing Craft Personnel Vehicles (LCVP), 1 Commander Boat and 1 RHIB (Rubber Hull Inflated Boat).

 

[truthseeker2010]

Contract is woth $500 million

It'll be $1 billion. We'll also buy a dozen of Seahawks and Chinooks for that ship. In addition; 5th Battalion will be established within the Amphibious Naval Infantry Brigade. Add that 13x MBTs, APCs, AAVs...etc.

lpd project cost is 1.7 billion $, including:

1 LPD and 4 Landing Craft Mechanics (LCM), 27 Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAV), 2 Landing Craft Personnel Vehicles (LCVP), 1 Commander Boat and 1 RHIB (Rubber Hull Inflated Boat).

So the ship will actually cost $500 million, the associated helos will cost another 500 and then the rest of equipment for naval infantry will be another 700.... the ship itself is not costing much considering recent mistral deal which was 1.7 billion for just two ships....and it was smaller at 21300 tonnes....