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Turkish constitutional referendum 2017 - News, Update & Discussion

Its not fake,looks like the yes camp has 60% of the counted votes for now.
we are doomed then.

There is zero independent oversight of these elections. All of the institutions that would provide a check are under control of erdogan.
 
Yes vote leads with 60% yes and 40% no. It seems like turkey is going to defeat the Europe.
 
we are doomed then.

There is zero independent oversight of these elections. All of the institutions that would provide a check are under control of erdogan.
He already controlled everything,this is just to have official power to do as he wishes and to show the West that ''we are a democracy''.
He still needs the West.
 
Turkey's going to defeat itself by the looks of things.

Then it will be their decisions... and only theirs... If good or bad happen after then it's up to them to accept it and deal with it.
That's Democracy... THe choice of the majority via legal ways...
 
we are doomed then.

There is zero independent oversight of these elections. All of the institutions that would provide a check are under control of erdogan.
No every ballot is watched by 1 representative of each party plus NGO's no rigging here, whatever comes out we have to accept it.
 
Then it will be their decisions... and only theirs... If good or bad happen after then it's up to them to accept it and deal with it.
That's Democracy... THe choice of the majority via legal ways...
Turkish democracy should've had an anti-self-destruction mechanism lol.
 
we are doomed then.

There is zero independent oversight of these elections. All of the institutions that would provide a check are under control of erdogan.


Can we stop all this " conspiration mind"... Accpet it and stop .

Even if it was true... it's not a matter of few hundreds ballots... but millions... Have FUn staying in your broken belief.
And don't jump on your horses... Yes irregularities happen there and there but it will not change nothing on the result...

Turkish democracy should've had an anti-self-destruction mechanism lol.

It's the same way in any democracies aorund the World...
Same is happening with Hardcore parties in EU and still ppl don't say " This country is sinking into dictatorship or nazis states" ... So let's not begin with TUrkey either.

THeir choice their future.
 
No every ballot is watched by 1 representative of each party plus NGO's no rigging here, whatever comes out we have to accept it.
I don't think akps would have accepted the result have it gone the other way around, they would have called an early election after election until they get the results in thier way.
 
Can we stop all this " conspiration mind"... Accpet it and stop .

Even if it was true... it's not a matter of few hundreds ballots... but millions... Have FUn staying in your broken belief.
And don't jump on your horses... Yes irregularities happen there and there but it will not change nothing on the result...



It's the same way in any democracies aorund the World...
Same is happening with Hardcore parties in EU and still ppl don't say " This country is sinking into dictatorship or nazis states" ... So let's not begin with TUrkey either.

THeir choice their future.
This is why meritocracy makes more sense than democracy.
 
This is why meritocracy makes more sense than democracy.
Neither... every sys could be used against others...
Meritocracies is a civilized way to say " the jungle law" THe strongest win...

Meritocracies is not a gov sys... you can be a dictatorship and be into meritocracy and so on...
Chine is one same as the US... yet both opposite in Gov sys...
 
I don't think akps would have accepted the result have it gone the other way around, they would have called an early election after election until they get the results in thier way.
And how exactly would a early election change the constitution?
 
It's the same way in any democracies aorund the World...
Same is happening with Hardcore parties in EU and still ppl don't say " This country is sinking into dictatorship or nazis states" ... So let's not begin with TUrkey either.

THeir choice their future.

because no populist like Erdogan has won a ellection so far...
Wilders has failed in the Neatherlands...
Le Pen will fail in France for sure..
in Germany we have nothing like the two... the AfD Party is a joke they currently drop from one all time low to the next... currently they have to fear to get over the 5% mark to get into the Bundestag at the federal election in September
 
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