Turkey VS Asad: Should Ankara take the leap?

[Syrian Lion]

Syria is the whole world's problem, not just ours.

that is what causing the bloodshed in Syria, the world interference, Syria is for Syrians only....

No disrespect to you my Iranian friend, but Iran isn't capable of stopping any military action either by GCC+Turkey or NATO or both. The game changer in the Syrian conflict now is air power. The Air power is in favor of Turks, and in the GCC. As per my calculations Turkish air force alone is capable of destroying and establishing a no fly zone over Syria, without any help from outside. If you add GCC air forces ie Saudi, UAE,Qatari,Jordanian and Egyptian....well you are talking about the most powerful air force alliance in the region. If they establish a no fly zone, the Asadian armor will be obliterated by the FSA and by CAS provided by these air forces. They don't need to have boots on the ground, they just need to destroy every winged asad asset and only then the FSA can take the fight to Asad's bunker. Capability is there.....will or ethical responsibility simply isn't, that is replaced with rhetoric.

yeah that explains why Turkey asked NATO many times for invasion and/or no fly zone, why didn't Turkey do it by itself?? you think war is a game??

thank God you are not a leader of a country, because you only believe in violence...

what is stopping Turkey? I tell you what is stopping Turkey, it's not Alasad, its the Syrian people, the whole world knows that Alasad is popular in Syria, thus they can't go to war with Syria, because of the people...

 

[T-123456]

Actually, Erdogan has been quite eager to involve Turkey physically in the mess in Syria. Had the Turkish people given consent, he would have done so too. But guess what, we are not the fvcking gendarmerie of the region, therefore we do not have any obligation to save people from their mad dictators by risking our own people. Providing shelter to those who have been caught between the psycho Assad and the so called FSA is more than enough for Turkey's part.

Syria is the whole world's problem, not just ours.

If nothing happens,we will have another roge state with who knows how many fractions to deal with.

 

[madmusti]

@Aeronaut

This is a Trap for Turkey ,how you cannot see that ?

Are you the One who will tell about to Turkish Mother´s how they Sons have Died ? Are you have the Might to enter a War and leave it whenever you Want ? I don´t have this ,you ?


You talk about Turkish History ? What you know about Turkish History ?

 

[Kompromat]

this is very racist comment you made... I don't think it is allowed in PDF...??

Which comment

but anyways, the Syrian army is the Syrian people, that majority of the Syrian people are Sunnis..

But majority of Asad's miltiary is Alawite!

Syrian Alawites are stacked in the military from both the top and the bottom, keeping the army's mostly Sunni 2nd Division commanders in check. Of the 200,000 career soldiers in the Syrian army, roughly 70 percent are Alawites. Some 80 percent of officers in the army are also believed to be Alawites. The military's most elite division, the Republican Guard, led by the president's younger brother Maher al Assad, is an all-Alawite force. Syria's ground forces are organized in three corps (consisting of combined artillery, armor and mechanized infantry units). Two corps are led by Alawites (Damascus headquarters, which commands southeastern Syria, and Zabadani headquarters near the Lebanese border). The third is led by a Circassian Sunni from Aleppo headquarters.

Read more: Making Sense of the Syrian Crisis | Stratfor

Making Sense of the Syrian Crisis | Stratfor

enough said there...

You are just repeating what you have been saying for 2 years. It doesn't change any facts!

so if Pakistan was border with Syria what is going to happen? how many Pakistanis died because of the USA, and yet you side with the USA and NATO, you have no value for the Pakistani blood? you pretend that you care about Syrians, but you don't even care about your own people... hypocrisy at it's best, however I know that your point of view is sectarian and filled with hatred...

Its not about Syrians but Asad....and he's damn lucky to have Turks instead of us. I give him that one.

the ones that are killing the people of Syria are the terrorists that is backed by the west and their puppets...

And you say that when you enjoy your time in the US?... speaking of hypocrisy??? So the FSA is a puppet of the west and Asad is a puppet of the Kremlin...is that a fair statement?

Look, if you believe that the Syrian people are against Alasad, explain to me why he is still in power...

He is not in power, he is just clinging unto it through his military force which he is using on his own people.

answer these questions, try to convince me.. and explain your point of view..
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/234220-syria-questions-can-not-answered.html

I know you won't change your mind and i only talk to people with an open mind and those who still have their thoughts in evolution, no offense to you but talking to you is like talking to a stone wall, as i do understand you are a Christian trying to protect your future, regardless of how many Muslims are butchered by your "Fuehrer".

The Turkey you know is history,the rulers rather watch then do something.
How many times they used the Red line and nothing happend?

I am quite displeased at the Turkish nation for not helping Syrians. The very narrative that Arabs are sitting idle,why should we move is flawed unless Turks have started seeing themselves as Arabs.

that is what causing the bloodshed in Syria, the world interference, Syria is for Syrians only....



yeah that explains why Turkey asked NATO many times for invasion and/or no fly zone, why didn't Turkey do it by itself?? you think war is a game??

thank God you are not a leader of a country, because you only believe in violence...

what is stopping Turkey? I tell you what is stopping Turkey, it's not Alasad, its the Syrian people, the whole world knows that Alasad is popular in Syria, thus they can't go to war with Syria, because of the people...

Its not about capability but political will as Ankara doesn't want to be seen, as a lonewolf. Turkey does have the overwhelming air power advantage and is more than capable of such a mission.

 

[TurAr]

If nothing happens,we will have another roge state with who knows how many fractions to deal with.

As i said, it is not solely our problem. There are no fraction in Syria worth risking Turkish lifes.

 

[madmusti]

@Aeronaut

It´s not a Jihad ,it ´s something like a " Cold War " ,but in these days its only a " Hot War ".

2 Kurdish Sides ? Why ? We know PKK is communist ,so the other side must be capitalist.

(According Wiki).

 

[Syrian Lion]

Which comment



But majority of Asad's miltiary is Alawite!








You are just repeating what you have been saying for 2 years. It doesn't change any facts!



Its not about Syrians but Asad....and he's damn lucky to have Turks instead of us. I give him that one.




And you say that when you enjoy your time in the US?... speaking of hypocrisy??? So the FSA is a puppet of the west and Asad is a puppet of the Kremlin...is that a fair statement?



He is not in power, he is just clinging unto it through his military force which he is using on his own people.



I know you won't change your mind and i only talk to people with an open mind and those who still have their thoughts in evolution, no offense to you but talking to you is like talking to a stone wall, as i do understand you are a Christian trying to protect your future, regardless of how many Muslims are butchered by your "Fuehrer".

you comments are filled with sectarian remarks and racist posts...

I'm more open minded than you are, because I don't care about religion, why you here only speaking of religion and sects...
and till this day you can't answer the questions, because you know the reality but you fear it...

sadly I have to repeat myself many times, because you ignore the facts, all the answers to your comments are in this thread here, I don't want to repeat myself, you ignore facts and reality...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/234220-syria-questions-can-not-answered.html

anyways, I'm done talking with racist people....

and I think this topic should be closed, you are only creating flame war here with your sectarian comments...

 

[BeyondHeretic]

No disrespect to you my Iranian friend, but Iran isn't capable of stopping any military action either by GCC+Turkey or NATO or both. The game changer in the Syrian conflict now is air power. The Air power is in favor of Turks, and in the GCC. As per my calculations Turkish air force alone is capable of destroying and establishing a no fly zone over Syria, without any help from outside. If you add GCC air forces ie Saudi, UAE,Qatari,Jordanian and Egyptian....well you are talking about the most powerful air force alliance in the region. If they establish a no fly zone, the Asadian armor will be obliterated by the FSA and by CAS provided by these air forces. They don't need to have boots on the ground, they just need to destroy every winged asad asset and only then the FSA can take the fight to Asad's bunker. Capability is there.....will or ethical responsibility simply isn't, that is replaced with rhetoric.

maybe you're right , but I got a gut feeling this will happen the same time there's presidential elections (chaos) in iran.

 

[Kompromat]

@Aeronaut

This is a Trap for Turkey ,how you cannot see that ?

Trap narrative can be debated,however being a bystander isn't exactly the best strategy right now.

Are you the One who will tell about to Turkish Mother´s how they Sons have Died ? Are you have the Might to enter a War and leave it whenever you Want ? I don´t have this ,you ?

Being a powerful nation, Turkey have a responsibility to help Syrians liberate themselves. And i am not talking about sending Turkish boots, so the question of consoling Turkish mothers never comes into play. Turkish air support can completely change the game,only thing missing is if Turkish nation is willing to help or just chooses to look away. Nations are judged by their actions not by words when the history is written.

You talk about Turkish History ? What you know about Turkish History ?

Thing or two.

you comments are filled with sectarian remarks and racist posts...

I'm more open minded than you are, because I don't care about religion, why you here only speaking of religion and sects...
and till this day you can't answer the questions, because you know the reality but you fear it...

sadly I have to repeat myself many times, because you ignore the facts, all the answers to your comments are in this thread here, I don't want to repeat myself, you ignore facts and reality...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/234220-syria-questions-can-not-answered.html

anyways, I'm done talking with racist people....

and I think this topic should be closed, you are only creating flame war here with your sectarian comments...

Oh i forgot you are a Baatist... end of debate.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Oh i forgot you are a Baatist... end of debate.

, you are so naive... you don't even know that I'm against Alasad .. but for now Alasad is the best leader for Syria...

 

[Kompromat]

@Aeronaut

It´s not a Jihad ,it ´s something like a " Cold War " ,but in these days its only a " Hot War ".

2 Kurdish Sides ? Why ? We know PKK is communist ,so the other side must be capitalist.

(According Wiki).

PKK has failed, regardless of what they are communist or capitalsists.

, you are so naive... you don't even know that I'm against Alasad .. but for now Alasad is the best leader for Syria...

Stop playing, good cop,bad cop and than expecting people to believe you. Asad's time has run out, he should leave or music will play on his ears, regardless of how long Turks and Arabs remain asleep while Syrians are butchered and women are raped by Shabiha.

maybe you're right , but I got a gut feeling this will happen the same time there's presidential elections (chaos) in iran.

I wish to see the predicted chaos in Iran, resulting in a public representative govt in Tehran that is willing to end its isolation and introduce real reforms.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Stop playing, good cop,bad cop and than expecting people to believe you. Asad's time has run out, he should leave or music will play on his ears, regardless of how long Turks and Arabs remain asleep while Syrians are butchered and women are raped by Shabiha.

hey guess what, you are not even Syrian, so what you believe or say is worth NOTHING to Syrians, Syrians themselves decide, if they wanted Alasad gone, he would have been gone LONG TIME AGO...

you just don't want to wake up the reality, because you fear it...

your hatred to Syria and Syrians only gives you headache... Syrians have many enemies, and guess what WE ARE STILL STANDING, WE WILL NEVER KNEEL DOWN TO THE WEST...

so the best way for you now, is to dream of Alasad is gone it might help you sleep...

if you think there is only one Alasad in Syria you are mistaken, there are more than 20+ million Alasads in Syria...

Syrians only and only Syrians decide...

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[madmusti]

@Aeronaut

Did you know how much 1 Terrorits costs for Turkey ? I mean how much will then cost a Operation to Syria.

Turkish State Structure is much much different then others Nations.

You talk about Turkish Airstrikes ,why that not USA makes ? I mean they are too next to Syria ,or they haven´t any more Troops on IraQ ? Why not Iran ? Why not Britain with their Base on Cyprus ? Why not France ?

Did you really think the West will allow Turkey to make a Operation in Syria ?

Turkey is not a Rich Country that can make a Operation whenever it´s want.

Turkey has it´s own Problems !!!

Better you ask the Ones without Problems or who start the Problems.


What has Pakistan done in that Case ?

 

[Kompromat]

@Aeronaut

Did you know how much 1 Terrorits costs for Turkey ? I mean how much will then cost a Operation to Syria.

Turkish State Structure is much much different then others Nations.

Turkey has much to gain economically by having a friendly Syria than an enemy in Demascus. You have Russia on one side and a Russian puppy on the other, is that an ideal situation?

You talk about Turkish Airstrikes ,why that not USA makes ? I mean they are too next to Syria ,or they haven´t any more Troops on IraQ ? Why not Iran ? Why not Britain with their Base on Cyprus ? Why not France ?

They ain't Syria's neighbors and have nothing to lose. They will only act when they see an interest lying in Syria which will pitch deeper the region into American puppethood.

Did you really think the West will allow Turkey to make a Operation in Syria ?

The question isn't if west allows or not, Turkey is a free nation and has its own interests. Its a matter of if Turks are willing or choose to close their eyes and allow Asad to carry out mass murder.

Turkey is not a Rich Country that can make a Operation whenever it´s want.

TUAF frankly can cripple Asad's infrastructure within 72 hours. Once a NFZ is established, SEAD and DEAD missions are a done deal, since Turkey shares a border, the NFZ flights can be coordinated with regular sorties without putting extra operational burden on TUAF.

Turkey has it´s own Problems !!!

Name me one nation that doesn't. If Turkey wants to become a powerful nation, it has to take some responsibility too.

Better you ask the Ones without Problems or who start the Problems.

There are none without any problems.

What has Pakistan done in that Case ?

We have been at war for last 10 years and since 1979 in total, we don't have a border with Syria either so we could do what i wish for Turkey or GCC to do to Asad. My friend, when Pakistan had its way, we went as far as Europe to help. History will remember us for that.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history-strategy/6116-pakistans-role-stoping-bosnian-genocide.html

 

[BeyondHeretic]

I wish to see the predicted chaos in Iran, resulting in a public representative govt in Tehran that is willing to end its isolation and introduce real reforms.

Thank you for your well wish