Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[anatolia]

One thing maybe u r mistake ... ISIS much worse than Russia, if u don't catch that whatever U.S or NATO won't help Turkey ... I believe Russian can use this to get more supports from West and East.

? there is no isis where fighter downed. isis is next iraq border.and it is turkmen area.russia is not bombing isis .

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes, I think Russia understood the warning and the next days will be deescalating.

Let us see. There is probably a flurry of back channel diplomacy going on right now.

ROE changed 2012 when a Turkish F-4 was shot down with AAM from Latakia AB.
Ticonderoga DDGs provide also air defense in Black Sea and Mediterranean too in the case of ballistic missile attacks.

Turks have their rights to their ROEs...not disputing that at all. But now situation has altered with Russia....Turks must be wise about that. ROEs from both sides must be clearly defined and followed, this incident has really highlighted that.

Russia will probably act tough for a few weeks for its own image purposes, but behind the scenes I am sure they are already in touch with Turkey about resolving this....so that their objectives can be met in an appropriate time frame.

Russia certainly does not want to be stuck there like USSR was in Afghanistan.

Especially given the logistics to Syria are even more fragile now and Russian economy is not in the best of shape.

One last sentence, it is not acceptable that Russia follow STALIN occupying Krimea and Ukraine territory,
trying to expand globally. Next step could be in the Baltics.

Thats a different topic.

 

[batmannow]

Yes. 203mm Howitzer Nukes and a lot of free fall bombs.

Wow !it can destroy whole Russia in seconds ?lolz

 

[anatolia]

Wow !it can destroy whole Russia in seconds ?lolz

we say in turkish .fly is small but disturb you alot..

 

[notorious_eagle]

@Meengla

You can consider me a well wisher of Turkey, as a Pakistani and a visitor of Turkey twice, i have nothing but love for my fellow Turkish brethren. But being objective, i cannot help but state that this was not a wise move from the Turkish Government.

Bro. How should TuAF know whether it was Syrian or Russian SU-24, there was 2 SU-24 one reacted and stopped violation !
What should be bombed there ? The next ISIL post is 200 km away !

First of all, Turkey has a very potent AD Network, thus TUAF knew exactly whether it was a SAAF or RUAF SU24. Second, it does not matter whether the SU24 was bombing ISIL or another target. The fact is, the SU24 posed no threat to Turkey's Sovereignty whatsoever. Shooting down an opposing Airplane is the last option one exercises unless the a Nation is at war with the Opposing One. Turkish Jets could have escorted the SU24 out of its Airspace, deployed chaffs/flares to warn it or fly close to it aggressively. It appears Turkey did not exercise any of this, and simply decided to shoot down the plane.

It was a threat against TÜRKMEN's we are responsible for them. We can not allow hundred thousands to cross Turkish boarder as refugees.

Well than, with all due respect you have just signed their death warrant. After the shooting down of this plane, Russia will act with impunity and will want revenge for the death of their pilot. You can be damn sure that Russia will want its pound of flesh, i am willing to bet that an offensive will be launched and this time with the support of Russian Ground Troops. Overall, not a wise decision by Turkey.

 

[lonelyman]

it is new chinese way to kill innocent people ..call people terrorist nd you have a right to kill them? 1.3 billion chinese vs 20 million uygur people? woww

Your whole country support ISIS, buying their oil, provide weapons and coverage, medical service and free passage, hitting innocent Kurds, attacking ISIS's enemies etc etc, and you are lecturing Chinese about terrorists?

 

[batmannow]

we say in turkish .fly is small but disturb you alot..

Sure it will reach Moscow very soon ! Good luck ?lolzz

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Nilgiri

Deescalation

Last ans second official announcement from Russian Government spokesman PESKOV to ITAR TASS :

"President Putin didn't mean in any way military actions against Turkey "!

Devlet Sözcüsü Peskov, Putin'in Türkiye'ye askeri tehdit yöneltmediğini söyledi | Dünya Haberleri

 

[anatolia]

Your whole country support ISIS, buying their oil, provide weapons and coverage, medical service and free passage, hitting innocent Kurds, etc etc, and you are lecturing Chinese about terrorists?

yea yea rright right turkey need few of isis oil trucks pkk using chinese made arm by the way.could you plz send me some proofe? becouse many france us uk russia has drone on syria .did any of those country captured isis selling oil to turkey? plz iam waiting your proof

 

[notorious_eagle]

RT are reporting the RuAF plane didn't enter Turkish airspace at all but I doubt that. However the reality appears to be the plane entered Turkish airspace for a mere 17 seconds so I have no idea how this fits with the offcial Turkish line that they gave 10 warnings (that the US seems to back up somehow. I guess the TuAF could have been giving warnings to the Russians whilst they were still inside Syrian airspace but that then becomes meaningless.

I simply can't understand the motivations of the Turks in all this, even IF the Russians entered your airspace, so what? It has happened before and was bound to happen with them operating so close to the border. In the past it has been a diplomatic incident and officals have been called by both sides, why esclate this to a full scale international incident? This is sheer lunacy and the autocrat Ergodan needs to be reigned in- he is starting to beleive too much of his own hype.

No side is clean in any of this but Turkey has been playing a dangerous game by buying ISIS's cheap oil (effectively propping them up) and has left itself dangerously isolated within NATO, a few years ago Turkey was a beacon for success and stability in the region but now it has allowed itself to descend into the filth and is in a downward spiral. Frankly, as a citizen of a NATO member I would like Turkey's membership to be reviewed entirely, they are acting way beyond reason and are likely counting on the backing of NATO to act as a detterent to Russia- without NATO Turkey would never have had the gusto to carry this out. I don't want the risk of WW3 to exsist simply because Turkey is acting recklessly counting on article 5 to save the day.

I doubt there will be an overt military response by Russia to this incident but Putin will make Turkey pay and it won't be pretty.

There will not be a military response for sure, but i am willing to bet top dollar that there will be a Ground Offensive in this Area and it will largely be lead by Russian Ground Troops and Spetsnaz acting as Storm Troopers. This will be the perfect excuse for Russia to increase its military deployment, and introduce additional S400's to the Region.

Oh and Russian tourists brought revenues worth $4 billion to Turkey in 2014. I guess that will disappear.

 

[NL_Turk]

Yes. 203mm Howitzer Nukes and a lot of free fall bombs.

Aren't those freefall B61 bombs already upgraded to some kind of guided bomb?

 

[anatolia]

Sure it will reach Moscow very soon ! Good luck ?lolzz

bro life is short any way. faster better you know it

 

[batmannow]

You can consider me a well wisher of Turkey, as a Pakistani and a visitor of Turkey twice, i have nothing but love for my fellow Turkish brethren. But being objective, i cannot help but state that this was not a wise move from the Turkish Government.



First of all, Turkey has a very potent AD Network, thus TUAF knew exactly whether it was a SAAF or RUAF SU24. Second, it does not matter whether the SU24 was bombing ISIL or another target. The fact is, the SU24 posed no threat to Turkey's Sovereignty whatsoever. Shooting down an opposing Airplane is the last option one exercises unless the a Nation is at war with the Opposing One. Turkish Jets could have escorted the SU24 out of its Airspace, deployed chaffs/flares to warn it or fly close to it aggressively. It appears Turkey did not exercise any of this, and simply decided to shoot down the plane.



Well than, with all due respect you have just signed their death warrant. After the shooting down of this plane, Russia will act with impunity and will want revenge for the death of their pilot. You can be damn sure that Russia will want its pound of flesh, i am willing to bet that an offensive will be launched and this time with the support of Russian Ground Troops. Overall, not a wise decision by Turkey.

Love or hate not matters sir
As you stated in your post , turkeys has become the toy of NATO ,which will use it as long it can , if not they will just throw that ?
Turkey was the main logestical , supplier of USIS against Assad govt , & been fooled by USA now , they are going to pay the price ,Putin will make sure that , Turkish military abilities would be cut down to its size , how he is going to that ,needed to be seen .

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Well than, with all due respect you have just signed their death warrant. After the shooting down of this plane, Russia will act with impunity and will want revenge for the death of their pilot. You can be damn sure that Russia will want its pound of flesh, i am willing to bet that an offensive will be launched and this time with the support of Russian Ground Troops. Overall, not a wise decision by Turkey.

You know that USA delivers them TOW and now also Stingers.
Do you know the mountains region ? same as in Afghanistan plus jungle.
If they dare carpet bombing, we will see

 

[Nilgiri]

Deescalation

Last ans second official announcement from Russian Government spokesman PESKOV to ITAR TASS :

"President Putin didn't mean in any way military actions against Turkey "!

Devlet Sözcüsü Peskov, Putin'in Türkiye'ye askeri tehdit yöneltmediğini söyledi | Dünya Haberleri

Bro, Turkey would have to do something way more punishing and serious than shoot a Su-24 down to get Russia to attack Turkish nation itself.

In that sense there was never any "escalation" to begin with from Russia. Putin will say some words, their govt will make some legislations, maybe some sanctions imposed....but thats about it.

What will be escalated as @notorious_eagle and I have pointed out is the Russian action against pro-Turkey Islamist groups and affiliates operating within Syria right now. They will ensure that TuAF cannot support these groups (like they have done before) by providing the air cover to their forces via their DDG and S-300.

FSA is basically going to be made non-existent quite soon I feel....then Russia can properly deal with ISIS since after FSA is dealt with, there is no more "undecided" potentially hostile areas they got to fly over to reach ISIS....and can thus plan their logistics more efficiently and logically.

In the process they are going to up their support to PKK and Peshmerga as well. That is a definite reality.