Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[A1Kaid]

Actually this is far too simplistic. In most modern airforces (given Turkey is a member of NATO this should apply to them also) the escalation formula is quite clear cut. There are a number of steps you take before engaging an intruding aircraft which includes voice/radio challenges but also visual warnings i.e pulling alongside, rotating your wings and firing chaff and flares in their path. Shooting dowsn is litterally the last option and I would be amazed if the TuAF had followed the above steps prior to shooting down the Russian plane. It seems they engaged some distance away.

As of now we don't know exactly what steps the Turkish pilots took, but they have stated they issued repeated warnings. Why two Russian pilots repeatedly ignore those warnings and not reply is another issue. Though of course its best to wait until all information is made clear.

 

[帅的一匹]

Played right into our hands. Now no turkish jet will enter syria for fear of being shot down by the s300/400.

Looks like no more cheap IS oil for Turkey lol.

Buying cheap oil from devil is unforgivable. It's a shame. What they buy is not oil, it's human blood.

 

[zebra7]

ISIS have annual budget and turnover. They issue salary with salary slip plus incentives to the Jehadi Lolz

No terrorist group can survive unless some govt finances it - terror economy expert

 

[egodoc222]

Barbaric ! RIP to the pilots

@Sinan WTF dude?.....couldn't Erdogan atleast control its allies from commiting such a monstruosity ?

He brought this sh!t upon his country!!!
Expect massive retaliation by ruskies!!

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

By justification I meant...it will effectively neutralizes the western media propaganda about Russian involvement in syria...Russia will use this incident in potraying that US and EU are trying to stop the good work done against the ISIS!!
By distancing itself I meant diplomatically!!

Russia never targeted ISIL, they targeted FSA and Türkmen Forces. Russia and Syria have signed an Agreement with ISIL.

 

[SpArK]

The Latest: Protesters outside Russian consulate in Turkey | Boston Herald

The protesters gathered on Tuesday, shortly after Turkey shot down a Russian plane that it said violated Turkish airspace and ignored repeated warnings for it to leave. The plane was operating over the Turkmen Mountain region in Syria's Latakia province.

The protesters chanted: "Turkmen brothers are not alone" and "Killer Russia, get out of Syria."

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[Dash]

You don't know exactly what procedures were taken by the Turkish pilots and what rules of engagement they implemented. Don't try and sound too smart for your own good. Until that information is publicly available don't try to come on here and lecture anybody.

I am not trying to be smart, I actually am, where I can see a small peice of information before hand. And these are state secrets and hardly invite a reason to make them available in public. But I am sure we will certainly know the real truth, when we see its reactions.

having said that, I would be happy if there is no involvement of theirs. However all that has been shown to us points to this one thing only.

With due respect,
Dash

 

[Indos]

So what was the relevance of Iranian or syrian...

if you hit russians they hit back no matter wherever it is.

Of course there is a BIG relevance of that two factors on this matter, Russia will not fly the planes in the first place if there is no influence of that two "factors"

Factor is :

a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

ISIS have annual budget and turnover. They issue salary with salary slip plus incentives to the Jehadi Lolz

No terrorist group can survive unless some govt finances it - terror economy expert

Hey, the crude oil goes via Jordan also to Israel and not Turkey

 

[帅的一匹]

They should try and will be downed, the TU-Bears are welcome as target

You are not in the same level, not even close.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Barbaric ! RIP to the pilots

@Sinan WTF dude?.....couldn't Erdogan atleast control its allies from commiting such a monstruosity ?

One Pilot is alive and captutred also some Russina CSAR Forces shot sown in a MI-8 from FSA Forces.

 

[Pindi Boy]

Russia should detonate a few 100 of their old cold war era 25 to 30 Megaton warheads over each and every Turkish city and wipe out at least 200 million Turkic men,women and children.

Now thats a typical Indian thinking

 

[Ceylal]

Israel apologized for that and accepted to pay money who suffered there...

Israel apologized a year later after they belittle your Ambassador. The US paid the compensation.

No matter we downed it in Syria or Turkish airspace.. We got the balls to do it. Can Russia do anything against us? This is not Georgia, Ukrain or rebels, Welcome to Turkey!

That where you are wrong, Russians have always replied in kind..ask the Lebanese who , in the 80's kidnapped two of their Embassy staff...Downing their craft in Syrian airspace is an act of war...With Georgia and Ukraine they have a common history, same blood run in their vessels...they were brutal but lean with them...You bring back the era when they were under the Ottoman empire ....NOT GOOD!

 

[zebra7]

I think Chinese Involvement is needed here now, for the Speedy end of the ISIS. I am not the supporter of PLA, but Chinese with its ground forces, and navy, and Russian with its S400 and fighter jets, would end this Drama of US, NATO what they are playing hide and seek for years.

American-allied nations are secretly helping ISIS to grow - US Colonel Ann Wright

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

You are not in the same level, not even close.

You can bet on it !