Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

probably i know your history than you do LOL. The first Sultan's father of ottoman empire was from mongolia. go check yourself

Ottoman Empire's founder is Osman Gazi, Son of Ertugrul Gazi, are Oghuz Turks. Osmann settled in the Selcuk Empire coming from Turkmenistan and had a small emirate loyal to the Empire. How come you even don't spend a few minutes and get to conclusions? Your membership designation says "General". Are you like that 4 feet BD general who couldn't do anything when his own officers were slaughtered like chicken, and their wives and daughters got raped by their own soldiers? And, you're making fun of the Ottomans!!?! Ignorance definitely is a bliss. Anyway, I shouldn't spend any more time with you for you're not worthy of that, and my BOOK has instructed to me show Sabr-I-Jemil (glorious patience) in front of Jahils like you.

 

[Jason Zhao]

Those planes where bombing Turkmen people in Syria. The same Turkmen who are actually fighting ISIS

The most important is they solving way is wrong, if really russian bombing the wrong people, you should speak out and show the proof to the UN， not shoot them directly, as ISIS is difficult to find out, they are not regular army, it is diffcult to clear them out, in the WAR 2, American also bombed their own people, shoud they also shoot their own plane down?

We must dare to say own faults, the world people will understand it and forgive it.
If Russian really bombed wrong people, also we all will suggest them take the action to win your country forgiving.

And now, this way only can let world people confused, if we need to go on fight against ISIS.

We see Russia has politics in SYria, if all the parties do this kind of way in Syria, I think most country has no harmfull factors there will not help against terrorists.

 

[manlion]

don't talk about something you don't know about , Turkey AND Greece violate each others borders
these violations go decades back, Syria is the country that escalated the situation when they shot down a Turkish F-4
in response Turkey shoots down anything that comes from Syria and crosses even a single meter inside Turkish territory.

In the Dogfights of chasing each other's jets, Turkish violates Greek airspace on a daily basis. Whereas Greek fighter jets crossing into Turkish airspace, is mostly due to technical reasons - to maneuver in half circle into Turkey FIR in order to return to Greece..

Turkey is one of the biggest global violators of airspace, in addition to Greek air space, Turkey regularly violates Cyprus air space

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[500]

If western are really fight with ISIS, why they were more strong? Then Russian comes, they were weak? how to explain it now?

Because u know nothing.

Thanks to US help ISIS lost towns like Ayn al Arab, Sarrin, Tal Abyad, Al Hawl, Ayn Issa, Tal Barak and hundreds villages.

On the other hand Russia gained nothing so far, except few villages. Even those villages were captured thanks to swarms of Iranian mercenaries rather than Russia.

In Iraq gains are even much bigger thanks to US.

 

[Jason Zhao]

@Jason Zhao

If Russia was concerned about ISIS and extremists, they would get rid of Assad who cooperated with Al Qaeda during the Iraq war and released extremists from prison during the civil war.

To Chinese people, we have long years of this kind of story, The power from other countries to effect their own countrol of goverment.
it is a very very saffering thing.

Chinese are confused, Assad is also doing the war against ISIS even the antigoverment armforce, this is correct, why you will support Assad must leave before ISIS work ?? Altough I see before his power killed his own people. But ISIS should be first.

A legal goverment is being, it is good for socirty to be stable, even it just for a moment, but at least it has a contorl and concentraded power there, it will be easy the gather all the power together to defeat the ISIS.

To the normal people, ISIS is the biggest menace at this moment. why not let ASSAD thing to be later please?

In China has a word, Menace from outside and inside, outside should be first. I think you should understand it.

 

[500]

To Chinese people, we have long years of this kind of story, The power from other countries to effect their own countrol of goverment.
it is a very very saffering thing.

Chinese are confused, Assad is also doing the war against ISIS even the antigoverment armforce, this is correct, why you will support Assad must leave before ISIS work ?? Altough I see before his power killed his own people. But ISIS should be first.

A legal goverment is being, it is good for socirty to be stable, even it just for a moment, but at least it has a contorl and concentraded power there, it will be easy the gather all the power together to defeat the ISIS.

To the normal people, ISIS is the biggest menace at this moment. why not let ASSAD thing to be later please?

In China has a word, Menace from outside and inside, outside should be first. I think you should understand it.

ISIS grew thanks to Assad. Assad was deliberately bombing towns of opposition and sparing towns of ISIS. You can see devastating destruction in Daraya, Jobar, Homs, Aleppo, Douma, Zabadani meanwhile Raqqa, Al Bab, Manbij have controlled by ISIS have very little damage. Assad also gave to ISIS many bases full of weapons (17th division, 93brigade, 121 brigade, Tabka airbase) virtually without fight. In same time Russia encouraged thousands of Chechens to join ISIS.

Thats how ISIS grew in Syria. Once Assad is gone there will be no reason for people to stay in ISIS.

 

[T-123456]

Assad's forces have not been angels either but 2 wrongs dont make a right......if i were one of them i wouldnt machine gun a pilot who ejected and cant even defend himself at all, that is the most cowardly act ever and goes to show that all rebel groups (not just ISIS) play dirty as well (PKK and YPG too, they are opportunists)

I know what you meant but think of the situation,just a couple of days ago,their sisters,mothers,sons,daughters etc died of bombs dropped by these pilots,some of the Turkmens even shouted,''dont shoot'',despite what had happened before.

 

[Hiptullha]

To the normal people, ISIS is the biggest menace at this moment. why not let ASSAD thing to be later please?

As long as there's Assad, there will always be an ISIS around. There were Islamists rebelling in the state under Assad's father and there are Islamists rebelling against Assad right now (partly due to his actions). What makes you think there won't be Islamists rebelling against Assad in the next 10 years if this mess is sorted out?

A legal goverment is being, it is good for socirty to be stable, even it just for a moment, but at least it has a contorl and concentraded power there, it will be easy the gather all the power together to defeat the ISIS.

We cannot associate the government of a megalomaniac which cooperated with former Nazi torturers in creating death camps for his own people with stability.

 

[T-123456]

it is below dignity to shoot at the downed pilot, rough up a captive or desecrate the corpses.
shooting at parachutes is considered the lowest of lowest act. and puts these scumbags in the league of the Daesh scumbags what burnt the Jordanian pilot alive.

You are right about that but,there is a big but,
These Turkmens are not professional soldiers,they were normal citizens forced to go to war by circumstances.
And dont forget the bombing of a Turkmen village a couple days(or a week ago) ago.
How would they know the code of conduct in such a situation,you know,i know,how many us know or would act accordingly,even those of us on active duty,in such a situation?
Lets be realistic.
Btw,what victory?
It was just a warning.

 

[thesolar65]

Obama : Mr. Putin, what would you like for this year's thanks giving?

Putin : "Turkey"!!

 

[Jason Zhao]

Because u know nothing.

Thanks to US help ISIS lost towns like Ayn al Arab, Sarrin, Tal Abyad, Al Hawl, Ayn Issa, Tal Barak and hundreds villages.

On the other hand Russia gained nothing so far, except few villages. Even those villages were captured thanks to swarms of Iranian mercenaries rather than Russia.

In Iraq gains are even much bigger thanks to US.

ISIS grew thanks to Assad. Assad was deliberately bombing towns of opposition and sparing towns of ISIS. You can see devastating destruction in Daraya, Jobar, Homs, Aleppo, Douma, Zabadani meanwhile Raqqa, Al Bab, Manbij have controlled by ISIS have very little damage. Assad also gave to ISIS many bases full of weapons (17th division, 93brigade, 121 brigade, Tabka airbase) virtually without fight. In same time Russia encouraged thousands of Chechens to join ISIS.

Thats how ISIS grew in Syria. Once Assad is gone there will be no reason for people to stay in ISIS.

it sounds like the people stay in ISIS is against Assad only, it is not agreed, as they do the wrong way,
The way in China maybe not suit for SYria, just like Jiangjieshi and Maozedong, Jiangjieshi also killed so many people, but Maozedong also fight with them but Maozedong never accept their army to kill the citizen also do not accept their army to do the terror action, then Japanese came, Maozedong request work together to fight against the Japanese, then next solve the problem between Jiangjieshi and Maozedong, this is a strategy.

I do not mean this way will suit for Syria, but maybe can offer one method, communication between parties first, which is fisrt menace, which should be finished first, I think this is also need us to be considered.

As long as there's Assad, there will always be an ISIS around. There were Islamists rebelling in the state under Assad's father and there are Islamists rebelling against Assad right now (partly due to his actions). What makes you think there won't be Islamists rebelling against Assad in the next 10 years if this mess is sorted out?


We cannot associate the government of a megalomaniac which cooperated with former Nazi torturers in creating death camps for his own people with stability.

I do not know how to say now, maybe you are right, condition is different, our mind is different maybe, maybe I do not know there situation more clearly.
Anyway we wish they can find better way to solve it asap. Peace, all need the peace, the people is to hard...

 

[帅的一匹]

Now Middle East is in completely chaos, China shall stay away with it. I think Turkey shall respect our sovereignty in Xingjiang and stop supporting Uygher seperatist and terrorists in our country. If you like them so much, you shall stop feeding them with the ideology of Turkistan empire. China has its limitation for toleration, mark my words. Why Chinese act so fiercely against Turkey in this thread,you shall be very clear than us. Compared to Kurds, those Uyghers are living in paradise. If you continue to take your own course to the end, then China turkey relationship is gonna be ruined. If we don't support Kurds, you don't interfere ours. Uygher population had increased from 1 million before 1950s to 12 millions nowadays, they are better if living with China.

As a leader, Erdogan is not mature at all.

You are right about that but,there is a big but,
These Turkmens are not professional soldiers,they were normal citizens forced to go to war by circumstances.
And dont forget the bombing of a Turkmen village a couple days(or a week ago) ago.
How would they know the code of conduct in such a situation,you know,i know,how many us know or would act accordingly,even those of us on active duty,in such a situation?
Lets be realistic.
Btw,what victory?
It was just a warning.

Why Turkey can't retreat those Turkmen into Turkey border if you love them so much.

 

[Rangila]

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[ptldM3]

Russian jet didn't respond to the warnings, and keep violating the Turkish airspace (for 5 minutes)

Based off of the Turkish radar image and flight path that is a lie. The area in question that the SU-24 flew over was 3 km. If the aircraft violated Turkish airspace it was no more then 17 seconds.

As for Turkey crying about airspace violations they regularly violate Greek airspace, Syrian airspace, and Iraqi airspace. Now with SU-30sm escorts and the s-400 any hostile Turkish aircraft can be shot down deep inside Turkey.

 

[pher]

Nobody is worshipping anything.

U.S' conventional military superiority is unquestioned in entire world. Stop acting like an indian.

even US dare not to brag like that in front of China, save this joke for yourself. nobody care your opinion.

Abandon China and favor NATO? Are you serious kid?

This is a tragedy, I hope both side could calm down. This is get fling big.

let them be. they will always side with their muslim brother. we know that and not surprise at all.