Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

[praful]

@Praful,
Firstly, I know it is illegal under NPT to give nuclear technology. And I am not advocating Pakistan to do so.
But you are wrong about the 'ummah' being all crap. These things DO exist and we rationalize our 'interests' based upon our cultural background. It is not just 'ummah' but common over the world. Otherwise what does someone in Indonesia gain by being so aggressively pro-Palestinian? Nations are the same. They are the enlarged versions of individual citizens. Just like human beings don't think in cut and dry terms, nations do act in emotional ways.

And, I still see a distinct possibility that Pakistan arming Turkey to prevent a nuclear blackmail. There are consequences for that. But has the Pakistani state always acted 'rationally'? I doubt that. No nation does that all the time.

Oh come on meengla sir, forget about other country see your own country. I may sound harsh but listen to me what this ummah has done for Pakistan when Americans bomb you daily ? any protest any help from any other country ?

On the other hand India enjoys great relationship with all other country except Pakistan. Can't you see that ?

Every country has to stand of her own. See what china has done, India,turkey, BD etc are doing.

You are in a mess because of this irrational behavior-- do yourself a favor learn from it and follow the path of progress.

 

[ovarel]

Oh come on meengla sir, forget about other country see your own country. I may sound harsh but listen to me what this ummah has done for Pakistan when Americans bomb you daily ? any protest any help from any other country ?

On the other hand India enjoys great relationship with all other country except Pakistan. Can't you see that ?

Every country has to stand of her own. See what china has done, India,turkey, BD etc are doing.

You are in a mess because of this irrational behavior-- do yourself a favor learn from it and follow the path of progress.

Dont you have kashmir problem?or Pakistan sacrifices its relations with you for another muslim country(just becasue its muslim)?

 

[praful]

Dont you have kashmir problem?or Pakistan sacrifices its relations with you for another muslim country(just becasue its muslim)?

That is the point my friend.

 

[Meengla]

@Praful,
You are putting words in my mouth and going off-topic. I will leave it at that these emotional-bonds DO exist between nations and not just between Muslim countries. Whether they serve any 'purpose' or not may be debatable.

Let's keep an eye on this development. I know there have been several of these rumors since May 2010 abotu the Turkish naval escort but this time it is coming shortly after the Turkish FM expelled the Israeli Ambassador and also announced several other measures. I am afraid there is some truth in this now.

 

[ovarel]

That is the point my friend.

and what is kashmir problem?

 

[praful]

@Praful,
You are putting words in my mouth and going off-topic. I will leave it at that these emotional-bonds DO exist between nations and not just between Muslim countries. Whether they serve any 'purpose' or not may be debatable.

Let's keep an eye on this development. I know there have been several of these rumors since May 2010 abotu the Turkish naval escort but this time it is coming shortly after the Turkish FM expelled the Israeli Ambassador and also announced several other measures. I am afraid there is some truth in this now.

I am not putting words in your mouth. sorry I got off-topic but I was giving you an example which you can't answer because you think that emotional bonds exists b/w countries. let we assume it is exist then God help turkey because the bond between US and Israel is very strong and time tested.

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and what is kashmir problem?

That is off-topic. PM me if you want to know. Regards

 

[Mosamania]

THAT is an interesting development.....

 

[Executioner]

Its ISRAEL shall involve in a war or not. If Turkey decides to enter the israeli waters,i wouldnt support it and it would be the act of war. We will see that if israel can digest when countries protect their rights. I think they will,its going to be hard but they will.

Why not the aid go via Red cross, I think it's also right. However the temp goes high but both country will be not come to war situation. May be Israel gives some sort of warning and Turkey will be consider as suggestion.

 

[kobiraaz]

Palestinians are pathetic? Not very nice.

yea they are pathetic.. They like their sufferings (according to you ) . Pathetic masochist people. They deserve to die. No uncivilized nation has the right to help them... Turkey, anti-semite burn in hell !!

 

[Meengla]

Why not the aid go via Red cross, I think it's also right.

Turkish FM has now upped the ante by calling the blockade of Gaza as 'illegal'. So they are rationalizing that the maritime access to Gaza is the right of any international entity. That's bold statement. On top of that the latest UN report is being 'null and void'.

BTW, we have to give credit to the 2010 Flotilla to allow more goods to come to Gaza. Before that Israel had a list of 'approved' products for a population of 1 million+!! Imagine how many things were excluded. Now, thankfully, the list is supposed to be a list of un-approved products; now also the Rafah crossing is open/easier.

 

[kobiraaz]

@meengla possibility of any war is less than 1%. If it happens then this time it will not be easy for israel... If NATO doesn't help Turkey in this war and stands by the side of israel, only then this nuke transfer deal is possibile. .

 

[Archdemon]

It is all talk, i just dont see him sending military escort, it would be a blunt declaration of war, NATO will not allow that to happen, and if Erdogan is that stupid then Turkey will be left alone.

 

[ephone]

You think the weaponry turkey gets is better than what Israel gets from U.S.???

When war between the two breaks out, which one do you think NATO, U.S. will stand together with???

Turkey's advanced weaponry can all be turned off if such war breaks out. U.S. military satellites will help Israel win the fight as well. It is not your citizen and not your fight.

You will be another country in mid-east that gets humiliated. BTW, during those earlier mid-east wars, most outsiders did not think Israel would have won as well.

There is no need for Israel to use Nukes. I have never seen Israel threatens another country with Nukes as well. Israel will win the regular war. I do not think such war will escalate to a high level. After Israel sinks several turkish ships and shot down some of their airplanes, NATO and U.S. will force turkey to make peace with Israel.

As for Pakistan, Pakistan has no guts to provide Turkey with Nukes. If it does that, even China won't dare to support it and the whole world will abandon Pakistan.

Dude,
I am not military expert but I think Turkey will eventually prevail in a one-to-one over Israel because Turks have the will to take a lot of casualties which Israelis don't have as much. And modern wars are not going to be fought directly between powerful states directly--they use proxies. However strong Israeli military may be Israel cannot survive month long rain of all sorts of missiles destroying Israel. It is a much smaller country than Turkey.
The only ace card Israel has its nukes. Well, what IF Pakistan supplies Turkey its nukes? Pakistanis consider Turks as their near blood-brothers and will never let Turkey be blackmailed by anyone's nukes. I am NOT necessarily saying Pakistan should but it will probably happen.

 

[jdme]

yea they are pathetic.. They like their sufferings (according to you ) . Pathetic masochist people. They deserve to die. No uncivilized nation has the right to help them... Turkey, anti-semite burn in hell !!

If that is what you believe. Not a good way to live a life, IMHO.

 

[ephone]

That guy has gone nuts. He will drag turkey into hellish holes.

Turkey was on the right track for secular country. However, when he grabbed the power, turkey is on the way to become another nutty religious country. What a pity.

It is all talk, i just dont see him sending military escort, it would be a blunt declaration of war, NATO will not allow that to happen, and if Erdogan is that stupid then Turkey will be left alone.