Turkey Demands Syrian Army Exit Rebel Areas, Threatens Force

[Hack-Hook]

Cease fire deal.

Basically, Russia, Turkey and Syria agreed to a safe zone in Northern Syria, where Turkey would be able to send back Syrian refugees. Turkey guaranteed their safety, and installed a bunch of observation posts to make sure Syria wouldn't try anything, while Russia guaranteed Syria would not move into those areas.

Syria is violating the agreement, which is why this is occurring. Russia is probably helping Syria do this, but its unclear as to why, since Russia and Turkey have had a very good understanding and respect of each other's boundaries, since Turkey and Russia had a major diplomatic crisis when Turkey shot down a Russian fighter violating Turkey's sovereign border.

no , Syria didn't violate the agreement , its turkey who failed its obligation under that agreement . turkey agreed to take back heavy weaponry from HTS and FSA in the area , after one year they didn't disarmed even a single terrorist group there

 

[MMM-E]

no , Syria didn't violate the agreement , its turkey who failed its obligation under that agreement . turkey agreed to take back heavy weaponry from HTS and FSA in the area , after one year they didn't disarmed even a single terrorist group there

FSA forces in the region removed their heavy weapons from the demilitarized zone in 2018

all rockets, mortars and missiles had been removed in line with a deal to create a demilitarised buffer zone that was between 15km and 20km FSA forces and Regime forces

 

[Hack-Hook]

FSA forces in the region removed their heavy weapons from the demilitarized zone in 2018

all rockets, mortars and missiles had been removed in line with a deal to create a demilitarised buffer zone that was between 15km and 20km FSA forces and Regime forces

its the term of the deal.
the bold ones are the ones that were not fulfilled

The demilitarization deal was struck on 16 September and was announced as binding on both parties. The terms were as follows:[44][45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52]

• A demilitarized zone (DMZ) would be setup entirely within rebel-held territory. It would be 15 to 25 km deep (9–15 miles) and come into effect by 15 October. All acts of aggression would be prohibited within the zone.
• The Syrian Government would refrain from attacks on the rebel-held Idlib Governorate.
• Groups deemed "radical", such as the Al-Qaeda-linked Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), would have to leave the demilitarized zone entirely.
• Groups deemed "moderate", such as the Turkish-backed National Front for Liberation , would be allowed to remain within the demilitarized zone, but would have to withdraw all heavy and medium weapons from it, including all tanks, MLRS, artillery and mortars.
• The HTS-run Syrian Salvation Government would be dissolved.
• The rebel groups would open and ensure unrestricted civilian access through the M4 and M5 highways.
• Turkey would use its network of observation posts in Idlib to secure the rebel-held DMZ, while Russia and Iran would likewise set up and use their own military observation posts to secure the government-controlled territories, which border the zone.
• Turkey and Russia would coordinate joint patrols along the DMZ, in order to ensure compliance.
• Russia and Turkey would reiterate their "determination to combat terrorism in Syria in all forms and manifestations".

The deadline for the fulfilment of the deal's conditions was extended multiple times to allow Turkey more time to convince the rebel groups to adhere to the terms, but all such attempts were unsuccessful.[69][70][71]

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

FSA forces in the region removed their heavy weapons from the demilitarized zone in 2018

all rockets, mortars and missiles had been removed in line with a deal to create a demilitarised buffer zone that was between 15km and 20km FSA forces and Regime forces

It's not about FSA. It's about Julani. Putin hang Julani in public in Moscow for vowing to nuke Moscow.

 

[jamahir]

since Turkey and Russia had a major diplomatic crisis when Turkey shot down a Russian fighter violating Turkey's sovereign border.

We must remember that right from 2011, Turkey has been pushing "rebels" into sovereign Syrian territory. Is that not a violation ??

 

[Oublious]

We must remember that right from 2011, Turkey has been pushing "rebels" into sovereign Syrian territory. Is that not a violation ??

They are Syrians...

 

[jamahir]

They are Syrians...

Most of them are not. They came from everywhere.

In 2014, a young man in India, by name Mehdi Masroor Biswas, was arrested on charges of running a Twitter account called Shami Witness which regularly provided updates to so-called rebels on which portion of the Turkish-Syrian border could be crossed into Syria on a day :

The Bengaluru police, who filed a charge-sheet running into 36,986 pages (the longest by the Bengaluru police in a terror case), against Biswas, have concluded that he reflected the ideology of the ISIS and had indeed motivated youths from foreign nations to join the militancy group through his tweets.

Though not a formal member of the ISIS because Biswas never had any face-to-face meetings with any of the representatives of the terror organization, his actions were no less than that of an active member. This prompted the police to identify him as a "representative" of the ISIS, acting on their behalf, recruiting foreign nationals, especially from Europe and the United Kingdom for jihadi activities in Syria and Iraq.

 

[Elvin]

I have to say that the opposition forces have earned my respect. Despite Russian air-strikes which are insane in frequency and destruction, and the constant onslaught of the SAA with artillery, tanks, barrel bombs, infrantry, and their own airforce. The opposition is still fighting hard, not giving up and conducting counter offenses without any air support.

I don't agree with the ideology of some of the groups, but you got to give it to them. They're tough as steel.

 

[That Guy]

You forgot one thing : Flushing rebels out of Idlib triumphs over any other agreement or option.

Not if it involves multiple foreign militaries, and alliances. Syria could have very well warned Turkey first, but instead opted to attack and kill turkish soldiers. That's a major red line being crossed.

Basically, syria shot itself in the foot here.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Not if it involves multiple foreign militaries, and alliances. Syria could have very well warned Turkey first, but instead opted to attack and kill turkish soldiers. That's a major red line being crossed.

Basically, syria shot itself in the foot here.

they did warn them

 

[That Guy]

they did warn them

They wanted turkey to get out of syria, not that they'll target and kill Turkish soldiers, and violate the cease fire deal.

Not the same thing.

Besides, according to the deal, turkey has an obligation to stay, which is something syria agreed to.

1. Those refugees will be mostly Syrian civilians.

2. But Syrian security forces have to somehow ensure that there won't be saboteurs amongst these refugees.

3. Therefore Russia can help in this situation by joint supervision of such refugee camps.

I wouldn't trust the Russians, as they have a military alliance with Syria, and have no qualms about syrian civilians dying. They're more likely to help Syria bomb the refugee sites, than they are willing to weed out actual saboteurs within the refugee populations, to avoid civilian casualties.

no , Syria didn't violate the agreement , its turkey who failed its obligation under that agreement . turkey agreed to take back heavy weaponry from HTS and FSA in the area , after one year they didn't disarmed even a single terrorist group there

That was never a part of the agreement, this is a false narrative that I keep hearing about.

What turkey agreed to was nothing more than a safe zone, and ensuring it wouldn't be used as a place to launch attacks from, which it has kept its word on.

HAVING SAID THAT, the FSA actually DID remove heavy weapons and equipment from the area, after it was demanded by the Syrians and russians.

We must remember that right from 2011, Turkey has been pushing "rebels" into sovereign Syrian territory. Is that not a violation ??

Those rebels are technically Syria, and there are millions of syrian refugees within Turkey.

So no, Turkey is not violating Syria's sovereignty. If anything, turkey wants to ensure Syria's sovereign borders stay the same, due to the threat of Kurdish separatist fighters. So far as I know, it is within Turkey's right to ensure the flow of refugees stop coming from Syria, and its obligation to ensure that returning syrian refugees have a safe place to return to,, thus the safe zones.

What you can argue is, whether turkey is committing any sort of violation of the geneva convention, which I don't think it technically is. Supporting rebellions, or rebellions even existing are not against the geneva convention.

I think I should also point put, it's also very VERY difficult to legally label domestic militants and rebels as terrorists, because even they have some degree of protection according to the geneva conventions; this is why the US has never been able to declare the afghan taliban as a terrorist organization, to this very day.

 

[Oublious]

Most of them are not. They came from everywhere.

In 2014, a young man in India, by name Mehdi Masroor Biswas, was arrested on charges of running a Twitter account called Shami Witness which regularly provided updates to so-called rebels on which portion of the Turkish-Syrian border could be crossed into Syria on a day :

They are syrians until isis came, fact is rebels were wining. They made biggest mistake to work with isis and they lost the war. Isis did get the power in 2016 over syria, you can not blame Turkey. If we didn't open our border you hero would killed millions. So the refuge have to fight for ther lands against hizbollah terrorists and ther fighters from Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

[925boy]

It's not about FSA. It's about Julani. Putin hang Julani in public in Moscow for vowing to nuke Moscow.

Or is it that Russia hasnt killed Julani yet so Turkey dont act up more in Syria??

They are syrians until isis came, fact is rebels were wining. They made biggest mistake to work with isis and they lost the war. Isis did get the power in 2016 over syria, you can not blame Turkey. If we didn't open our border you hero would killed millions. So the refuge have to fight for ther lands against hizbollah terrorists and ther fighters from Pakistan and Afghanistan.

LMAOOOO.

You are too smart to play victim when you have blood on your hands. Turkey helped ISIS rise to power in 2016 as you stated. Turkey today is still supplying HTS and other terrorists with 122mm shells in Idlib. Pics and vids are all over twitter. dont play saint.

Not if it involves multiple foreign militaries, and alliances. Syria could have very well warned Turkey first, but instead opted to attack and kill turkish soldiers. That's a major red line being crossed.

Basically, syria shot itself in the foot here.

Turkish troops being present IN Syria is already a big violation of international law, but you "expert" have ignore that and now ur playing victim like the Turks here are doing. smfh

 

[Oublious]

Or is it that Russia hasnt killed Julani yet so Turkey dont act up more in Syria??


LMAOOOO.

You are too smart to play victim when you have blood on your hands. Turkey helped ISIS rise to power in 2016 as you stated. Turkey today is still supplying HTS and other terrorists with 122mm shells in Idlib. Pics and vids are all over twitter. dont play saint.

LMAOOO

You are to smart to play victim for your secterian brothers, repeating the same won't make your lie truth. HTS uses iranian and russian weapons you see the vids over twitter.

 

[Timur]

hizbollah terrorists

these ppl dont see hezbshaitan as terrorists.. for them they are legit and the good ones..

the best would be support isis and let them slaughter pkk and hezbshaitan down with the yellow ones..