TRADE WITH INDIA NEED OF THE HOUR, SAYS ADVISER TO THE PRIME MINISTER ON COMMERCE RAZAK DAWOOD

[Areesh]

So any request by the Pakistani govt formally put through?

Nope. Pajeets are mental masturbating on a random statement

Small penis ego is on high after this stupid statement

 

[waz]

Nope. Pajeets are mental masturbating on a random statement

Small penis ego is on high after this stupid statement

Hilarious many of their posts.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hilarious many of their posts.

I don't find impertinence and shallow knowledge masquerading as expertise funny at all. It is enfuriating.

Dear Joe,

I'll be really thankful to you if you kindly provide some insight over your 'homework'.
Can you please outline the grounds on which the Art 370 removal may be deemed illegal ? Kindly elighten me over specific grounds so that we may discuss every single possibility ( point wise ).

I would love to stand corrected.
Thank You.

~ Pajeet

It is three paragraphs - short paragraphs - so I hope you will be able to spare time for the reading. Would you like a URL to the actual text?

 

[Joe Shearer]

That is very cynical. Agree that there are racist Indians, but tourists are not treated badly, by and large. The statistic on Bangladeshi tourists to Indian always intrigues me, because I don't encounter any BD tourists. Here is a screenshot from a the executive summary of a report (albeit Indian) which I have also linked below.

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I am skeptical about what the purpose of these visits is. Maybe they are just meeting families, which technically qualifies as tourism because you come in through tourist visa.

No one opens up tourism to make suckers out of anyone. If tourists feel so, tourism will die a natural death. Of all industries, it is most susceptible to poor attitude. I agree with @Chak Bamu that many other things need to be addressed before we start visiting each other, because apart from principles, we want to be stress free when we visit each other, and not asked questions like "Why are minorities being lynched in your country"

If we were to decide on tourist destinations based on racism of a few, most countries would be out of bounds for us brown people. I am not inclined to be this cynical and welcome Bangladeshis and Pakistanis if they choose to come to India.

https://tourism.gov.in/sites/default/files/2020-04/Final%20Report%20on%20Visit%20of%20Nationals%20of%20Bangladesh%20to%20India.pdf

May I butt in?

Dear Joe,

I'll be really thankful to you if you kindly provide some insight over your 'homework'.
Can you please outline the grounds on which the Art 370 removal may be deemed illegal ? Kindly elighten me over specific grounds so that we may discuss every single possibility ( point wise ).

I would love to stand corrected.
Thank You.

~ Pajeet

Hmm.

Half an hour and no response.

Doesn't matter. Patience is a virtue.

 

[Pajeet]

Yes.

I am touching on the original cause, not subsidiary causes occasioned by the Government of India acting in an illegal manner.

Please read Art. 370 first, and confirm to me that you have read it.

Just to clarify, we can discuss the subsidiary causes as well, separately, ONCE we have got an understanding on the original cause.

Joe,

My first disagreement ( and understanding ) is that : when you say GoI acted in an 'Illegal' manner, its merely your Opinion, lets say, that your 'interpretation' of what the legal framework implies.

If You have 'ALREADY' declared something illegal, well, you have taken sides. Which is fine, but its biased. It somewhat negates a neutral view point and restricts a broader search for possibilities.
Having said this, You are not better than GoI or, Harish Salve, who are make the very same 'interpretations' to their own benefit.

Thus, for an 'ordinary' man like me, I feel, You both ( Mr. Joe and Mr. Salve ) are merely making 'interpretations' which suit to your own 'agenda' respectively.

Whoever, When i listen to Mr. Salve, he presents a counter argument ( which are valid along provisions of the constitution , which is why im inclined to believe that his 'interpretation' may well be valid in the court of law.

One thing that I have definitely learned is, refrain from using the term 'illegal'.

Nothing is legal or illegal, its merely legal or legal on/in that particular day/hearing of observation when it comes to Supreme Court of India. It may change the very next day and it has happened and will happen. So, Whats legal today may be illegal tomorrow in the court of law.

This is a frequent Phenomenon.

Regards,

~Pajeet

May I butt in?


Hmm.

Half an hour and no response.

Doesn't matter. Patience is a virtue.

Sorry for the late reply.
office time.

Please Excuse me. i will reply as soon as I get time.

~ Pajeet

 

[Paitoo]

May I butt in?

Absolutely

 

[Black Tornado]

This statement might be because of the FTA we signed with UAE a few days back, this will allow Indian products to be re-exported to Pakistan at a lower cost and will consume extra dollars in Pakistan’s forex reserves, so cross-border bilateral trade will be better as trade happens in local currencies and does not have issues on CAD.

 

[kmc_chacko]

Well, that is BRI for you right there.

India's entry into BRI fully depends on how relations with Pakistan settles.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Joe,

My first disagreement ( and understanding ) is that : when you say GoI acted in an 'Illegal' manner, its merely your Opinion, lets say, that your 'interpretation' of what the legal framework implies.

Would you find it more palatable if I re-phrased it and said that the Government of India acted in direct violation of a Court Order? That is not illegal, except that it attracts contumely of court, it is contumacious, if you know what I mean.

This is not interpretation; it is bare fact.

If You have 'ALREADY' declared something illegal, well, you have taken sides. Which is fine, but its biased. It somewhat negates a neutral view point and restricts a broader search for possibilities.
Having said this, You are not better than GoI or, Harish Salve, who are make the very same 'interpretations' to their own benefit.

I have not declared something illegal in a vacuum, or as a matter of personal opinion, I am relying on a court judgement. Please tell me, what is more weighty than that?

Thus, for an 'ordinary' man like me, I feel, You both ( Mr. Joe and Mr. Salve ) are merely making 'interpretations' which suit to your own 'agenda' respectively.

Excuse me, may I again reiterate, there is no interpretation involved.

You do realise that once a judgement has been made and declared, one can go on appeal against it if it is a judgement by one of the junior courts, but there is no appeal if it is the Supreme Court, except an appeal sought to be heard, by the consent and cooperation of the court, by a bigger bench.

I hope you understand the consequences of flouting court orders. It brings crashing down the entire edifice of law and order and leaves us to the kind regard of vulgus mobile.

I hope you also realise that there are certain actions that cannot be taken even by a majority in parliament that would normally - NORMALLY - be sufficient to amend the constitution. Even amending the constitution is subject to judicial review; if the proposed statute, or the promulgated statute violates the 'basic structure of the constitution', as has already passed into law, it is liable to be struck down. Laws have been struck down on that basis.

You may notice that the relevant two resolutions in Parliament - by now you must have dredged them up and read them - were neither of them positioned as amendments to the constitution, as such an important measure should have been, and you will now understand why this was not done, and instead a simple vote was preferred.

Whoever, When i listen to Mr. Salve, he presents a counter argument ( which are valid along provisions of the constitution , which is why im inclined to believe that his 'interpretation' may well be valid in the court of law.

Please follow the logic.

So I say something is not possible because it contradicts an existing judgement.

Mr. Salve says something is possible and offers an alternative.

You read (or hear) the two, and decide that the contradiction of the judgement is an opinion, and Mr. Salve is offering what is also an opinion, but one that is 'more' valid.

I need some help on these arcana. When I say something, it is an opinion; when Salve says something, it is an opinion that might well have weight; when someone looks at the two, and without considering the legality involved, decides for one over the other, coincidentally, the one that suits that third person's point of view, that is an opinion that invites an inclination.

<sigh>

One thing that I have definitely learned is, refrain from using the term 'illegal'.

Ah yes, so much for courts of law, for statutes, for procedures; what is illegal is never to be touched upon, all is a mystery until - actually, until what? It seems that even a court of law, the highest court of law, is also not equipped to say what is legal and what is illegal.

Nothing is legal or illegal, its merely legal or legal on/in that particular day/hearing of observation when it comes to Supreme Court of India. It may change the very next day and it has happened and will happen. So, Whats legal today may be illegal tomorrow in the court of law.

Really? One example, please.

This is a frequent Phenomenon.

One that you have succeeded in dumbfounding me with. Congratulations. I rather like the question of legality being like an electron, only bound in place, or only released by an opposing charge being applied or removed. So legality, we now learn, is bound in place by the opinion of the day.

Just my curiousity, and please feel free not to answer - are you a STEM graduate?

Regards,

~Pajeet



Sorry for the late reply.
office time.

Please Excuse me. i will reply as soon as I get time.

~ Pajeet

Now that I am cautioned, I will finish cooking and sweep and swab the house - see how much superior Salve Sir is, to me? - and expect your answer only when I receive your answer.

Best wishes.

 

[kmc_chacko]

This statement might be because of the FTA we signed with UAE a few days back, this will allow Indian products to be re-exported to Pakistan at a lower cost and will consume extra dollars in Pakistan’s forex reserves, so cross-border bilateral trade will be better as trade happens in local currencies and does not have issues on CAD.

wise-men who understand that Indian products will enter Pakistan from back door and it will surly hurt their economy so they are giving suggestions but it will be difficult to take a U turn now

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

This statement might be because of the FTA we signed with UAE a few days back, this will allow Indian products to be re-exported to Pakistan at a lower cost and will consume extra dollars in Pakistan’s forex reserves, so cross-border bilateral trade will be better as trade happens in local currencies and does not have issues on CAD.

Its not a big deal. Sell through 3rd party will always be more expensive to the point that it will not make much sense going forward. This isn't Pakistan of 2018, exchange rate is market based now and actively looking to import substitution. Last FY Pakistan non-oil imports from UAE were like $2b.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Absolutely

The bulk of the Bangladeshi tourists whom I have met are there in Calcutta for medical reasons, or for transit. In terms of transit, their onward final destinations are (1) the Apollo Hospital in Chennai; (2) CMC Vellore. There is also a floating population; one of my close friends brought his daughter over for some minor specialised treatment, and she suddenly burst out, to my astonishment, with the exclamation, it was so much more free in Calcutta, and she felt no pressure regarding clothes or places or shops. I'm not quite sure what she meant by that, because it was too forceful and emotional to encourage enquiry, so it is reported just as it was uttered.

Your figures may well be right.

However, I have become inured to government statistics coming out as extremely dicey, and being seen with jaundiced eyes by those who value accuracy above all else. The latest example is the unwitting betrayal of the sad situation with regard to COVID deaths, and the inadvertent proof that those were artificially minimised by government, when the LIC revealed its figures of operating performance prior to its IPO, and revealed that there were wide gaps between reported and actual deaths. It led to an angry denial by the Health Ministry, and that convinces nobody who remembers the bodies burning in crematoria with long queues, and the other bodies abandoned to rivers.

How can I trust this government on any figures?

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

So any request by the Pakistani govt formally put through? Nope thought not, never will be.

Al-Bakistan cannot.

Do Al-Bakistan is in position to accept Kashmir been integral part of India.

Al-Bakistan right-now, is not that much destitute economically to swallow its pride.

They are just preparing their AAWAM psychology for the eventuality and inevitability, as things goes further South.

Also testing the waters of Aman-ki-Asha wadies on the other side of Electrified Fence.

 

[Paitoo]

How can I trust this government on any figures?

Nor do I. I value experiences more than statistics. If my city looks like a mess, smells like a mess, it is a mess. If my maid looks poor, eats like a poor person, she is a poor person. I don't care about government statistics on development.

Covid figures are such a joke that we just take them as a number that needs to be multiplied with another number (depending on how you are feeling) to make some guesstimate month on month. We just hope that the level of suppression of truth is constant. In my circle, about 30% people have been infected with Covid at some point. And we are not even the types who are jumping from one crowded bazaar to another. By extension, have 40 Cr Indians been infected so far? No. The government says 4.28 Cr. I say bull shit. So for me the multiplication factor is 10.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Nor do I. I value experiences more than statistics. If my city looks like a mess, smells like a mess, it is a mess. If my maid looks poor, eats like a poor person, she is a poor person. I don't care about government statistics on development.

Covid figures are such a joke that we just take them as a number that needs to be multiplied with another number (depending on how you are feeling) to make some guesstimate month on month. We just hope that the level of suppression of truth is constant. In my circle, about 30% people have been infected with Covid at some point. And we are not even the types who are jumping from one crowded bazaar to another. By extension, have 40 Cr Indians been infected so far? No. The government says 4.28 Cr. I say bull shit. So for me the multiplication factor is 10.

Spot on.

My figure as well.