Time to say goodbye

[Nilu Pule]

My 2 paisas.

This forum was fun. It was a source of information as well as entertainment. Especially to me since, I don't have any account on social media websites. Unfortunately, it is dying.

Indian defense forums are so boring. Even the website design is so unpleasing to the eye. Members are lame. Sadly, Pakistani members who spice up things aren't tolerated.

I hope this forum goes back to its glory days. Or someone comes with an alternative website.

 

[Goku]

Why complain just leave if u want to? Look at the name of this forum. I come to this forum only to read opposite perspective. And if some comments on a forum from unknown members triggers u ,then u are snow flake.

 

[The Eagle]

Since this member @The Eagle has become the moderator---the board has taken a dive for the worst---.

@WebMaster ---did you want to hear this from someone else as well---you asked me today---. Here is your answer---.

Well, to be honest with you; I wasn't expecting this from you but then again, it is you with your opinion and judgment against me/others.

Mastan! people discusses ideas being great minds not the other people. If you think that allowing abuses against each other including mothers & sisters/daughters is modesty or worth a forum, permitting religious bigotry & filthy sectarianism is worth a forum or let the people act like uncivilized social savages is to be called an up-lift of Forum then I am really sorry; you are at the very wrong side of thought process and needed help.

I just said all that not just because you mentioned me as that is not new for me but in-fact this is about moderation. People do mistakes & as said in Op, Waz could do one or two but issuing judgmental remarks against anyone without letting the other side to speak, is totally injustice & of the worst level when it is coming form someone pretending to be the most expert/intelligent.

What makes you or anyone think that someone/the moderator "The Eagle" is here for eternity. People come & go and many have gone in history before as well. But, you really have to make a strong case along with the material or details for the actions taken previously as compare to verbal diarrhea that looks like nothing but an attention seeking rant.

 

[Bilal.]

It has always been the same, the only difference is that those who had the privilege to ridicule others have now become the target of ridicule and and are now whining...

 

[Kambojaric]

A lot of members seem upset nowadays but I think the modding team of PDF can only be blamed to a certain extent.

To be honest the whole culture of online forums has taken a dive for the worst. I am active on several forums including a history one (historum). The divisive nature of todays politics has made people much more intolerant of each others views, and i notice the same quality declining patterns in all the forums i am active in.

 

[Sabretooth]

The fact that one feels the need to draft a thread to advertise their departure while tagging admins and mods to file grievances makes it sound a little questionable. If someone has made up their mind then they would simply quit or send a private message to management to delete their account. This is a public forum, not a family convention so why such drama?

 

[CIA Mole]

I mean if this guy was some important scholar or something we'd be ok sry. But he doesn't seen to be?

The fact that one feels the need to draft a thread to advertise their departure while tagging admins and mods to file grievances makes it sound a little questionable. If someone has made up their mind then they would simply quit or send a private message to management to delete their account. This is a public forum, not a family convention so why such drama?

It's narcissistic personality.

 

[MastanKhan]

Well, to be honest with you; I wasn't expecting this from you but then again, it is you with your opinion and judgment against me/others.

Mastan! people discusses ideas being great minds not the other people. If you think that allowing abuses against each other including mothers & sisters/daughters is modesty or worth a forum, permitting religious bigotry & filthy sectarianism is worth a forum or let the people act like uncivilized social savages is to be called an up-lift of Forum then I am really sorry; you are at the very wrong side of thought process and needed help.

I just said all that not just because you mentioned me as that is not new for me but in-fact this is about moderation. People do mistakes & as said in Op, Waz could do one or two but issuing judgmental remarks against anyone without letting the other side to speak, is totally injustice & of the worst level when it is coming form someone pretending to be the most expert/intelligent.

What makes you or anyone think that someone/the moderator "The Eagle" is here for eternity. People come & go and many have gone in history before as well. But, you really have to make a strong case along with the material or details for the actions taken previously as compare to verbal diarrhea that looks like nothing but an attention seeking rant.

This forum has gone down hill since you came on board as a moderator---.

 

[Kaniska]

Mods do a tough job keeping the Indian infestation under control, my complaint is they are too lenient.

Good going...Actually me like Indian rather prefer you and people simillar your thought being more heard...You truely represent the forum ...

It has always been the same, the only difference is that those who had the privilege to ridicule others have now become the target of ridicule and and are now whining...

Spot on..

 

[Xestan]

I have spent 10 years on this forum and I have to say that back in the time I used to feel that PDF gives too much leverage to the voices of the left, people with liberal views were given more space and I had complains about them but now it has become something else.

You cannot criticise the forces, you cannot criticise the government, it will invite abuse and the mods will not take action against it, no matter how many times you report it. Just yesterday, in a thread, that Faiz Festival girl was being called a "Randi", yes, the exact word, and it was not taken off, even after two reports.

I was sent a text in the inbox, about how I changed the title of the news article, when FWO shot unarmed protesters in Karachi, but other threads are left to stay where ex Prime Minister is being ridiculed.

CJP of this country was abused and called names, but if heads of other institutions are criticised, you get attacked.

PDF used to be a forum for people from all around the world for healthy debates. It never sided with one side explicitly, but now it does. Religious right is strong and thriving, the voices of dissent are silenced.

The mods of post-2014 era will take this forum down and in time we will reduce it to be another bharat-rakshak.

 

[StormBreaker]

This is no longer the same forum.look at the disgusting comments above.there is no discussion without abuses.very sad to see senior members leaving one by one.admins have no right to harrass members here.you can't use your authority to harrass someone.there are many pakistani posters who don't want posters from other countries.this is sick mentality.if you look at the culture on other forums,you can see that everyone is allowed to speak.you can't warn people without any reason.is this the Pakistan that we wanted? A pakistan where only pakistani can speak about daily affairs? International community can also speak.pakistani members shouldn't make fun of others who doesn't belong to this country.kindly introduce new rules because current rules gives full authority to admins and there is no monitoring of admins.

This guy served in state department.people like him shouldn't leave.this is shameful for us.

Spot on. A forum is supposed to have unbiased, healthy conversations with no personal targeting, even the first page of this thread has 3 REAL trolls

 

[The Eagle]

A lot of members seem upset nowadays but I think the modding team of PDF can only be blamed to a certain extent.

To be honest the whole culture of online forums has taken a dive for the worst. I am active on several forums including a history one (historum). The divisive nature of todays politics has made people much more intolerant of each others views, and i notice the same quality declining patterns in all the forums i am active in.

Unfortunately, Fashion of Forum is based upon the conduct & civility of members and Moderators can only try to maintain the environment friendly as much as we can but saying that, most of the complainants are once abusers or provocation instigators at large as well. For example, @MastanKhan has the audacity to blame anyone without reasons or evidence but never restrain from personal attacks against others or even mocks people for their number of posts as compare to their duration on the Forum.

On other hand, people may have observed that certain number of Title Holders are demoted and few new guns are promoted as well. This is not like that team isn't up-to task to maintain the best on the Forum. However, I don't exclude the mistake or possible error at Moderation end but that can be resolved as the members are always advised to reach GHQ Section and have their concerns in details and many actions are reversed as well. Having said that, blaming everything on the Moderation isn't going to work and I must say that Staff doesn't preach anyone to mock, abuse or provoke others rather it is the conduct of particular members only. Political diversification & social media drive have taken a serious toll upon the intelligence & senses of people that mostly don't even hesitate from personal attacks against others. Just so that such kind of behaviour is not allowed, doesn't mean that offenders shall start to take jibes against the Team like that. Ironically, few members do often fight to permit them use of provocative & inappropriate words against others because it is the modesty/freedom of speech for them. Why should anyone be allowed to call someone idiot, fool, bigot, dumb etc etc and most of the time; such kind of language is getting hit and then people complains which is nothing new but as usual.

 

[Rakesh]

Well, to be honest with you; I wasn't expecting this from you but then again, it is you with your opinion and judgment against me/others.

Mastan! people discusses ideas being great minds not the other people. If you think that allowing abuses against each other including mothers & sisters/daughters is modesty or worth a forum, permitting religious bigotry & filthy sectarianism is worth a forum or let the people act like uncivilized social savages is to be called an up-lift of Forum then I am really sorry; you are at the very wrong side of thought process and needed help.

I just said all that not just because you mentioned me as that is not new for me but in-fact this is about moderation. People do mistakes & as said in Op, Waz could do one or two but issuing judgmental remarks against anyone without letting the other side to speak, is totally injustice & of the worst level when it is coming form someone pretending to be the most expert/intelligent.

What makes you or anyone think that someone/the moderator "The Eagle" is here for eternity. People come & go and many have gone in history before as well. But, you really have to make a strong case along with the material or details for the actions taken previously as compare to verbal diarrhea that looks like nothing but an attention seeking rant.

I understand, one of your prime objective is to assert Pakistan's narrative. But in doing so, you guys have gone too far. Only thing which I believe that this forum had lots of credibility and respect. But, if mods are ready to make compromise in achieving certain objectives, its their choice.
I don't complain because it is your forum and your rules.

 

[khansaheeb]

Good going...Actually me like Indian rather prefer you and people simillar your thought being more heard...You truely represent the forum ...


Spot on..

 

[The Eagle]

This forum has gone down hill since you came on board as a moderator---.

No issues if you say so and as far as I know my business. You can have some attention, I am sorry to say now, by doing something else but tell you what; there is no room for insults & mocking others. On personal grounds, I respect you like any elder but conduct on the forum will be treated in the same manners as equal to everyone. I have no dog in this fight and you have the liberty to write to administration in private and have your say in detail.