Time to say goodbye

[Sine Nomine]

Come on guys...You guys are speaking as if PDF was land of honey and sugar of fairness and now it has suddenly turned something surprising...
Rather, PDF is truly standing to their objective...Their objective alligns with the intrests of Pakistan and its core objective...Why are we Non Pakistani are expecting too much here???

China is their no 1 ally...Why would they tolerate even if you are being an American talking against China....USA is the biggest manipulator of the situation in the world...So when US people complain about China, you are simply making fun of your own stake...

You know Pakistanis who have difference of opinion are also being sidelined and banned repeatedly.

Mastan! people discusses ideas being great minds not the other people. If you think that allowing abuses against each other including mothers & sisters/daughters is modesty or worth a forum, permitting religious bigotry & filthy sectarianism is worth a forum or let the people act like uncivilized social savages is to be called an up-lift of Forum then I am really sorry; you are at the very wrong side of thought process and needed help.

That happens all the time on this forum.

 

[The Eagle]

Back in the day, there were a lot technical discussions on PDF. People talking about fighter jets, avionics, RCS etc. But these days, there are only junk threads. Rapes in India, toilet issue in India, Dharna in Pakistan etc. Lot of kids became elite through sheer posting of rubbish. I have been following this forum since 2006. This was most professionally moderated forum in all of south asia. Today it is just Pakistani (read pti) echo forum.

Any alternate views are deemed incorrect or offensive even though the writing itself is not offensive. Today we have to cater to sentiments of mods @waz @Eagle. Other wise they deem them inappropriate/offensive and ban them. Indian viewpoint is just garbage to them.

PDF used to be such a global forum because moderation used to be unbiased. Today non of the nationalities are happy (even Pakistanis) with the forum because moderation became arbitrary. Abuses are left unchecked. Religious abuse has reached its peak. Generalization rules the root here. Mods moderate through sentiments.

I hope PDF changes the moderation team otherwise PDF will be history in few years. I know this is not going to be popular and I would probably get a lot of abuses. I might also get an instant ban. But as a follower of this forum till date, I wish it to do well in the future as well but it is unlikely with this moderation. My 2 cents.

Time to delete or lock the thread @Eagle. That's what you did to a similar thread a month back citing no proofs. Proofs? Eh.

Your complain in regard to moderation is right in view of your own understanding. Beside you join in 2019 and yet you have gone to recall history; did you try to understand your own post and make it more clearer as what you want to say. Members that used to be abusive are mostly hammered and yet you have complaint or you want to say that non-abusive are being hammered contrary to the rules? Can you refer few posts or warnings that contains such information as you relied upon? I will be more happy to reverse even if that action was taken by me. Let's be fair and don't judge others without due process. If you mean that a call center propaganda write-ups to be allowed on the forum as some sort of evidence or proofs; you are wrong and still doesn't understand the meaning of credible source/evidence. This is not some sort of FB page or twitter handle or any other social media site.

 

[Protest_again]

Pakistani politics and Indian topics are not discussed in military section
There is a separate subforum for Pakistani politics one for social issues and members club

Back in the day any related topics would go into one thread. For example 'Indian rape threads' previous moderation would not have allowed such multiple threads. They are just junk threads for kids masquerading as elite to troll about India. You only attract the trolls with such threads from both sides.

Moderation has to make sure we all in this forum discuss productive topics like foreign policy, military, innovation, science, climate change, electoral politics, politics in general etc.

With this ruinous moderation, they are hell bent on showing Pakistan in a positive light as if this is the site where one gets impression on Pakistan.

 

[Kaniska]

Your complain in regard to moderation is right in view of your own understanding. Beside you join in 2019 and yet you have gone to recall history; did you try to understand your own post and make it more clearer as what you want to say. Members that used to be abusive are mostly hammered and yet you have complaint or you want to say that non-abusive are being hammered contrary to the rules? Can you refer few posts or warnings that contains such information as you relied upon? I will be more happy to reverse even if that action was taken by me. Let's be fair and don't judge others without due process. If you mean that a call center propaganda write-ups to be allowed on the forum as some sort of evidence or proofs; you are wrong and still doesn't understand the meaning of credible source/evidence. This is not some sort of FB page or twitter handle or any other social media site.

Mate...Do you really need to defend yourself? Just go by your own conviction..

 

[The Eagle]

That happens all the time on this forum.

Tell you what, such kind of anti-Moderation tirade is not a surprise. I have ideas as how come it generates & why it leads to a certain area of the Forum to get a hit. This is not just because of personal involvement but I see what I sensed before.

 

[Protest_again]

Your complain in regard to moderation is right in view of your own understanding. Beside you join in 2019 and yet you have gone to recall history; did you try to understand your own post and make it more clearer as what you want to say. Members that used to be abusive are mostly hammered and yet you have complaint or you want to say that non-abusive are being hammered contrary to the rules? Can you refer few posts or warnings that contains such information as you relied upon? I will be more happy to reverse even if that action was taken by me. Let's be fair and don't judge others without due process. If you mean that a call center propaganda write-ups to be allowed on the forum as some sort of evidence or proofs; you are wrong and still doesn't understand the meaning of credible source/evidence. This is not some sort of FB page or twitter handle or any other social media site.

You ban me once because my opinion was against Kashmiri interest. I didn't abuse anyone. I just shared my opinion which went contrary to your sentiments. And you couldn't tolerate that. You can refer to my ban history for proof.

 

[The Eagle]

Mate...Do you really need to defend yourself? Just go by your own conviction..

Moderation is something that involves everyone so be it me or anyone else; this is not about defending rather telling that how & why does it happen so that members can understand. I have been asking everyone to bring forth the warnings being issued along with the content to the GHQ Section and let's see how it transpires.

You ban me once because my opinion was against Kashmiri interest. I didn't abuse anyone. I just shared my opinion which went contrary to your sentiments. And you couldn't tolerate that. You can refer to my ban history for proof.

If you are saying that Indian Propaganda be allowed against the facts in Indian Occupied Kashmir then you will be definitely getting a fraction for peddling irrelevant & weak arguments based upon someone says in India. Go back and read your post and still, I am saying this openly, if you think that wasn't fair then bring the warning message including the post of yours to the GHQ.

 

[waz]

Back in the day, there were a lot technical discussions on PDF. People talking about fighter jets, avionics, RCS etc. But these days, there are only junk threads. Rapes in India, toilet issue in India, Dharna in Pakistan etc. Lot of kids became elite through sheer posting of rubbish. I have been following this forum since 2006. This was most professionally moderated forum in all of south asia. Today it is just Pakistani (read pti) echo forum.

Any alternate views are deemed incorrect or offensive even though the writing itself is not offensive. Today we have to cater to sentiments of mods @waz @Eagle. Other wise they deem them inappropriate/offensive and ban them. Indian viewpoint is just garbage to them.

PDF used to be such a global forum because moderation used to be unbiased. Today non of the nationalities are happy (even Pakistanis) with the forum because moderation became arbitrary. Abuses are left unchecked. Religious abuse has reached its peak. Generalization rules the root here. Mods moderate through sentiments.

I hope PDF changes the moderation team otherwise PDF will be history in few years. I know this is not going to be popular and I would probably get a lot of abuses. I might also get an instant ban. But as a follower of this forum till date, I wish it to do well in the future as well but it is unlikely with this moderation. My 2 cents.

Time to delete or lock the thread @Eagle. That's what you did to a similar thread a month back citing no proofs. Proofs? Eh.

Yep wish all you want for our destruction it won’t happen. The other nationalities are all here, numbers have actually grown, just Indian nationalists like you are upset, which is fine. We couldn’t give a toss about your opinions (the only part you got right).

I suggest you spend your energies helping India turn away from the hate machine it’s become under the great guru Modi. That’s going to affect you a great deal more than our forum.

 

[Protest_again]

Moderation is something that involves everyone so be it me or anyone else; this is not about defending rather telling that how & why does it happen so that members can understand. I have been asking everyone to bring forth the warnings being issued along with the content to the GHQ Section and let's see how it transpires.



If you are saying that Indian Propaganda be allowed against the facts in Indian Occupied Kashmir then you will be definitely getting a fraction for peddling irrelevant & weak arguments based upon someone says in India. Go back and read your post and still, I am saying this openly, if you think that wasn't fair then bring the warning message including the post of yours to the GHQ.

It was an alternate argument not weak argument.You saying so, doesnt make it weak. In any case, my grievance will not be taken seriously in any case. But my opinion on your moderation stands. Thanks.

Yep wish all you want for our destruction it won’t happen. The other nationalities are all here, numbers have actually grown, just Indian nationalists like you are upset, which is fine. We couldn’t give a toss about your opinions (the only part you got right).

I suggest you spend your energies helping India turn away from the hate machine it’s become under the great guru Modi. That’s going to affect you a great deal more than our forum.

See here is the example of today's moderation. Openly stating his bias. So proved my point. @Eagle @US_statedept_retired

 

[bananarepublic]

Come on guys...You guys are speaking as if PDF was land of honey and sugar of fairness and now it has suddenly turned something surprising...
Rather, PDF is truly standing to their objective...Their objective alligns with the intrests of Pakistan and its core objective...Why are we Non Pakistani are expecting too much here???

China is their no 1 ally...Why would they tolerate even if you are being an American talking against China....USA is the biggest manipulator of the situation in the world...So when US people complain about China, you are simply making fun of your own stake...

Finally someone stating some facts ..
This is a Pakistani forum so it will work what it believes is in the best interest of Pakistan..

 

[Sine Nomine]

Tell you what, such kind of anti-Moderation tirade is not a surprise. I have ideas as how come it generates & why it leads to a certain area of the Forum to get a hit. This is not just because of personal involvement but I see what I sensed before.

As i remember our first contact wasn't sweet either. But overall you are doing good job.
We can't blame anyone for that what's happening,Mods do have political and religious views and even on good behavior, feelings and biases will seep through the well behaved callous exterior of people involved.
Off late forum has started tolerating langauge which comes under banner of true "Bazari" langauge.
People here have started to think that certain Political Parties and Institutes are Pakistan but they are wrong as wrong itself,Islamic Republic of Pakistan is not made up of an Institute or Political Party.It's bigger than all of these.
People in Admin team just need to stop tolerating a bit of abusive language and chastising other nationalities due to their anti-Pak views,this is an open forum let them post their propganda and it's upto us to encounter it.
And you know we have done this in past and we can do that today also.
Don't let this forum turn into echo chamber,when i joined this forum just refreshing Home page after 2 minutes would change whole Home page but today after 2 hours almost half of threads are same.Sticky threads are turning silent one after another.
PDF is a turf,and there is no fight in turf without presence of opposition.Let them come and fight in Gentleman way.
Only once let forum float naturally in it's course while make a thread about langauge issue and ask everyone to tag others.

Finally someone stating some facts ..
This is a Pakistani forum so it will work what it believes is in the best interest of Pakistan..

It's an open forum,with only Pakistanis onboard it's an echo chamber.

If you are saying that Indian Propaganda be allowed against the facts in Indian Occupied Kashmir then you will be definitely getting a fraction for peddling irrelevant & weak arguments based upon someone says in India. Go back and read your post and still, I am saying this openly, if you think that wasn't fair then bring the warning message including the post of yours to the GHQ.

Let them post that and Let Pakistanis aboard to debug it.

 

[The Eagle]

It was an alternate argument not weak argument.You saying so, doesnt make it weak. In any case, my grievance will not be taken seriously in any case. But my opinion on your moderation stands. Thanks.

I have no interest into personal opinion as you have the liberty as what & how you think. Despite being told to reach GHQ so the Admin will look into the matter the way you are describing; seems like an open debate is most attractive to you because of no ground to support. I have no interest to change your opinion at all but Rules will remain intact and applied as & when needed.

 

[The Eagle]

Let them post that and Let Pakistanis aboard to debug it.

Trust me, there are still active threads/unlocked that doesn't prove anything or bring facts but we let it go. Furthermore, the same reason of "let them post and members will debunk the same" has been practiced time & again therefore, we do see many complaining as Mod(s) are pro this or that. However, a low quality propaganda write-up is only taken down.

 

[Protest_again]

As i remember our first contact wasn't sweet either. But overall you are doing good job.
We can't blame anyone for that what's happening,Mods do have political and religious views and even on good behavior, feelings and biases will seep through the well behaved callous exterior of people involved.
Off late forum has started tolerating langauge which comes under banner of true "Bazari" langauge.
People here have started to think that certain Political Parties and Institutes are Pakistan but they are wrong as wrong itself,Islamic Republic of Pakistan is not made up of an Institute or Political Party.It's bigger than all of these.
People in Admin team just need to stop tolerating a bit of abusive language and chastising other nationalities due to their anti-Pak views,this is an open forum let them post their propganda and it's upto us to encounter it.
And you know we have done this in past and we can do that today also.
Don't let this forum turn into echo chamber,when i joined this forum just refreshing Home page after 2 minutes would change whole Home page but today after 2 hours almost half of threads are same.Sticky threads are turning silent one after another.
PDF is a turf,and there is no fight in turf without presence of opposition.Let them come and fight in Gentleman way.
Only once let forum float naturally in it's course while make a thread about langauge issue and ask everyone to tag others.


It's an open forum,with only Pakistanis onboard it's an echo chamber.


Let them post that and Let Pakistanis aboard to debug it.

Mods seem to think alternate views as propaganda. It's only through this exchange we get to understand other viewpoint and probably counter it. If you deem it propaganda, there's going to be no discussion.

I sincerely hope the website owner would heed your advise. Otherwise even Pakistanis would lose interest on this great forum.

 

[bananarepublic]

is letting bharatis and bengalis refer to Pakistanis as Pavlov's dogs a service to Pakistan or BD/ind?
https://defence.pk/pdf/posts/11899353/

Yes the bengalis can make themselves feel good with such statement and yet they are indian lapdogs ....
And the indians with the false superiority and yet we saw what happened on 27th feb..
I remember the time in 2014 when abuse against Pakistan was on full swing by indian trolls and suddenly they all died down after 27th..