Time to retaliate with full force

[pak-marine]

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Should Nawaz Sharif come to his senses and decide to take action, PML-N and JUI would have to bring PTI gov't down before any armed action can take place.

seriously bad idea , PTI has to be on board .. or unless there are mass protests in KPK against terrorists and govt failure to curb

 

[POPS]

UAE HAS SHARIA LAW????????????? are you sure ? only KSA in this world has semi sharia law UAE is one of the most freedom on earth

my bad sorry bhai jaan

but pakistan considers afganistan and SA as its best friend and most respected friends other than china and more than 90% of pakistanies are Muslims then why not Islamik sharia law for pakistan when they say "pakistan ka matalab la ilaha il allah"

 

[JAT BALWAN]

sister jee hum se koi khatra nhi apko

really??? na jane kitno ko yehi bol kar ullu banaya hai aapne...

@POPS beware of him...

 

[POPS]

really??? na jane kitno ko yehi bol kar ullu banaya hai aapne...

@POPS beware of him...

what was that

 

[Imran Khan]

really??? na jane kitno ko yehi bol kar ullu banaya hai aapne...

@POPS beware of him...

lo jee sach ka to ab zamana nhi raha

what was that

leave him sister he is just jealous fellow

 

[POPS]

lo jee sach ka to ab zamana nhi raha



leave him sister he is just jealous fellow

thanks bhai jaan but you dint answer my post #32

 

[third eye]

Regret to admit that as long as the extremist lover Taliban Khan's PTI is in power in KPK; this will never happen. That is why I am beginning to suspect that there may be some truth in Fazlur Rahman's allegations.

Should Nawaz Sharif come to his senses and decide to take action, PML-N and JUI would have to bring PTI gov't down before any armed action can take place.

Are you sure he is an ' extremist lover" ?

I concede I expected much more from him during elections . Given the sluggishness I cannot help but wonder what he would have done had his party come to power .

BTW, even if he wanted to , what can he do ? I mean what powers / resources does a state Govt have to tackle such issues ?

 

[Imran Khan]

thanks bhai jaan but you dint answer my post #32

first of all afghanistan is not our friend and 2nd sharia law was made 1400 years before times its can't work nor its fits and can't apply in 2013 times . no one can live stone age isolated and away from world cut off from world . its failed idea now sure it was best but now its need to be replaced or changed .BTW I DON'T BELIEVE IN RELIGION

 

[Black Widow]

They want sharia and rule of Islam..

Provide this kind of Islamic rule.. All will be happy

 

[Imran Khan]

They want sharia and rule of Islam..

Provide this kind of Islamic rule.. All will be happy

 

[Spring Onion]

with deu respect Maam then on what principals was pakistan formed in the first place werent hindus and sikhs when they resisted the partition of india were ruthlessli massacered in the name of islam in 1947 ? wasnt the hindus in east pakistan were targeted in 1970 @ operation searchlight ? wasnt the idea of islamik confrence given by pakistani PM ? dont pakistanies think SA and UAE are the best Muslim nations & wasnt pakistani A Bomb called islamik bomb then why are paksitanies reluctant to accept real version of Islam and and sharia ?[/QUOTE]

1. Read about Jinnah's statement. Pakistan was formed to protect interests of Muslims as well as give equal rights to minorities. That dint happened due to political wrangling plus international geopolitics also added up to many thing.

2. in 71 Indian state terrorism forced Pakistan to search for Indian agents. Hindus of BD even today are NOT loyal to BD but to India.

3. As far as use of the Islamic bomb term you need a bit detailed study to find out why it was used and by whom

we dint term it as one

4. Pakistanis are reluctant to accept TRUE Islamic rule because that will give everyone equal rights which politicians don't like.

Are you sure he is an ' extremist lover" ?

I concede I expected much more from him during elections . Given the sluggishness I cannot help but wonder what he would have done had his party come to power .

BTW, even if he wanted to , what can he do ? I mean what powers / resources does a state Govt have to tackle such issues ?

Actually people are blaming failure of mainstream politicians including PM NS and likes of Fazulr rehman on Imran Khan.

IM merely are supporting talks which Fazlur rehman is also supporting which NS is also supporting but everyone is shying away from straight and factual statement.

The main point is whether talks or operation, the federal govt will decide NOT IM

So the ball is in court of Center not KPK

 

[faisal6309]

UAE HAS SHARIA LAW????????????? are you sure ? only KSA in this world has semi sharia law UAE is one of the most freedom on earth

You mean to say Shria is not freedom?

 

[Imran Khan]

You mean to say Shria is not freedom?

first of all tell me which sharia ? there are 73 sharias in market today

 

[OrionHunter]

KARACHI:

The terrorists have struck again. The blast in Kissa Khawani bazaar is the third major terrorist attack in the last week. Should the current trend continue and our government remains as indecisive, wavering and hesitant, we may see many more innocent lives lost at the hands of these terrorists.

There are only two real alternatives to the war that we fight against terror, both of which are unpleasant. Negotiate with these terrorists, who continue to murder innocents and refuse to renounce violence, or wage an all-out war against them.

Talking peace with the Taliban has taken us nowhere. All serious security analyses validate the bankruptcy of negotiating peace with Taliban as the favoured option of our state. The benchmark for those against peace talks with the Taliban is the failure of several such efforts in the past. Those still optimistic about negotiations should look at the seriousness with which these terrorists have responded to the government’s desire for peace from an all-encompassing political front – the all parties conference.

As far as waging an all-out war against the terrorists is concerned, our security establishment seems to consider it as an irresponsible choice, which entails killing our own countrymen. But are these terrorists not taking lives of innocent people, our own people on a daily basis? Where is the state response? Why is the state so reluctant to make a choice? Is it the cost and fear of implementing a high risk political and military strategy that ties our hands?

It’s time we stopped appeasing and misguiding the people of this country by our procrastinated acts of policy formulation. It’s time for policy implementation. If there was any seriousness in our approach to the national security, our anti-terrorism policy should have been on the table by now, jumpstarting the state’s response against the murderers of our people.

The army may also exercise restraint to a point. It cannot wait eternally for the democratically elected government to seek a ‘responsible end’ to this war. Although the army has pursued peace talks in the past, it realises now that this policy has failed.

The army understands that the Taliban and its many factions don’t understand the language of peace. It has for long believed that these ideological crusaders, emboldened by the reluctance of our political leadership to own this war, have in their minds the grand design of state control.

The fact that the Taliban remain resurgent, that the army has suffered huge losses in this war and that it cannot pull out its troops deployed on the western frontier means that there can only be one responsible end to this war and that is taking the war to the militants. The army knows that history will eventually judge it not for how it practised neutrality as democracy took root in the country but for how it fought when national security was threatened. The onus of responsibility on the army becomes ever enlarged when it knows that the tragedy that this nation suffers has got everything to do with the blatant mistakes committed by its own military leaders in the past.

The army’s current strategy for fighting terrorists is to keep hardening their targets while they select new soft ones. A decade of disjointed civil-military effort has only allowed terrorists to hammer us at will at times and places of their choosing. It is almost as if they are sure that the state would do nothing beyond fighting this as a defensive war.

Our preventive measures, no matter how secure, will never stop the determined terrorists. There are too many targets and there is too less money to harden all of them. Mosques, churches, hotels, schools, military establishments – we have tried to safely protect all of them. Yet the terrorists keep shifting to new targets.

We need to make a choice and make it now. Terrorists must be deterred through the fear of state retaliation and punishment.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 30th, 2013.

Swat like operation is Required and all captured must be killed before they make it to sold out courts or the all time big leaders release them for few more terrorist votes

Two thoughts that come to mind for wiping out most of the TTP and their adjuncts:

1. Instead of the ISI/PA using those hoards of LeT and JeM terrorists against India, they need to use them as a force multiplier against the TTP instead. You need a thief to catch a thief. In modern parlance, you need a terrorist to tackle another.

But then, India is enemy No.1. So this won't work out. After all, the PA needs to 'bleed India with a thousand cuts', a doctrine of Zia, which is still alive and kicking.

2. Redeploy at least two divisions worth of troops from the Eastern to the Western borders to augment the strength of forces fighting the insurgents. After all the ratio in such ops is 1:20. So, if there are a total of about 5,000 TTP and assorted groups, the PA would need at least 100,000 troops or about seven divisions to win the war. But shifting formations is not an option. Why? Because:

India is enemy No.1. So this won't work out. Never mind if 50,000 soldiers and civilians have been killed by the TTP and their allies, a number 10 times greater than what Pakistan has lost in all its wars with India! But India is still considered the evil one ready to destroy Pakistan - a figment of imagination that the PA is propagating to ensure its relevance in Pakistani society and the government.

So then, what else can Pakistan do? This isn't a conventional war where targets and objectives are clearly defined. In CI ops, the enemy is unseen. The only way one can corner them is by effective intel - hummint, elint and aerial intel, without which you're like a blindfolded boxer trying to hit your opponent in the dark! Does the PA have the resources to provide such high level intel? Remember, it took 10 years for the US of A to figure out where OBL was in spite of the mind-bogglingly high tech intel gizmos at their disposal! For example, how many intel 'plants' have been infiltrated into the TTP rank and file to provide real time and actionable info?

In a nutshell, it's all about the non availability of an adequate number of troops to fight the insurgency and lack of effective actionable intel inputs, without which the war in the badlands of Western Pakistan cannot be won.

And, needless to say, the collateral damage to the civilian population and infrastructure would be enormous.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

with deu respect Maam then on what principals was pakistan formed in the first place werent hindus and sikhs when they resisted the partition of india were ruthlessli massacered in the name of islam in 1947 ? wasnt the hindus in east pakistan were targeted in 1970 @ operation searchlight ? wasnt the idea of islamik confrence given by pakistani PM ? dont pakistanies think SA and UAE are the best Muslim nations & wasnt pakistani A Bomb called islamik bomb then why are paksitanies reluctant to accept real version of Islam and and sharia ?

1. Read about Jinnah's statement. Pakistan was formed to protect interests of Muslims as well as give equal rights to minorities. That dint happened due to political wrangling plus international geopolitics also added up to many thing.

2. in 71 Indian state terrorism forced Pakistan to search for Indian agents. Hindus of BD even today are NOT loyal to BD but to India.

3. As far as use of the Islamic bomb term you need a bit detailed study to find out why it was used and by whom

we dint term it as one

4. Pakistanis are reluctant to accept TRUE Islamic rule because that will give everyone equal rights which politicians don't like.



Actually people are blaming failure of mainstream politicians including PM NS and likes of Fazulr rehman on Imran Khan.

IM merely are supporting talks which Fazlur rehman is also supporting which NS is also supporting but everyone is shying away from straight and factual statement.

The main point is whether talks or operation, the federal govt will decide NOT IM

So the ball is in court of Center not KPK

"Hindus of BD even today are NOT loyal to BD but to India. " - Great. Blanket judgement passed.