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ThyssenKrupp ready to transfer knowhow to India for submarines for Type 214

— Dr Gurnad Sodhi, MD ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems India talks to Girja Shankar Kaura
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Dr Gurnad Sodhi


The ‘Project 75’ for the construction of six submarines for the Indian Navy has been in the pipeline for long time now. Dr Gurnad Sodhi, Managing Director, ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) India, which is one of the companies in fray for the order, talks about what the company has to offer to India.


Q. What has prompted TKMS to participate in one of the lndia’s largest Defence tender for the construction of six submarines under Project 75 India (P-75 (I) for the Indian Navy?A. The Ministry of Defence is expected to issue the P-75 (I) RFP for which we are planning to offer the Type 214 submarine, which combines best-in-class underwater endurance and diving depth. Besides its highly regarded anti-surface and anti-submarine operations, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, the HDW Class 214's proven fuel cell-based Air Independent Propulsion system is the best available in the market and offers exceptional operational advantages to the Indian Navy.
Since the Indian Navy has been our customer for over 30 years, we have established a strong working relationship with them and are in a position to fully satisfy their requirements.


Q. Has TKMS short-listed any Indian shipyard for collaboration or alliance?A. A high-level committee has been formed by the MoD and is currently evaluating the Indian shipyards. It is expected that this Committee will submit its report shortly.

TKMS respects the decision by the MoD in short-listing the most capable shipyard(s) without any bias. Thereafter, we will commence our negotiations with the shortlisted shipyard(s).


Q. Will TKMS adhere to India’s new policy of ‘Make in India’?A. We are committed to the ‘Make and Made in India’ policy. This would encompass inter alia robust Transfer of Technology (ToT), training, meeting the offset obligations etc. TKMS is willing to bring its expertise in cutting-edge areas to India and co-develop solutions with local partners to meet the country's needs. Besides the most capable submarine, best value for money and a strong industrial partnership, TKMS is offering extensive ToT to India.

Q. Could TKMS throw some light on the present status of its four submarines which were commissioned in the late eighties and early nineties?A. TKMS has been a trusted partner of the Indian Navy for over 25 years. The Indian Navy has operated successfully the HDW Type 209 since their induction in 1986. The very fact that INS Shalki and Shankul were made in India by an Indian Shipyard under a technology-transfer agreement is proof that TKMS has been supporting India’s indigenous defence industry for over a quarter of a century. We can proudly claim that all our four submarines are performing well without any inherent problems.


Q. Are there any plans to upgrade the existing HDW/Shishumar class submarines with the Indian Navy?A. Yes, we are currently exploring opportunities to upgrade the Shishumar class Type 209 submarines with the Indian Navy, for lifetime extensions. TKMS has successfully demonstrated in several countries, how substantial ToT can be implemented in the upgrade of the HDW Type 209s.


Q. Is the Indian Navy also contemplating upgrading the weapon suite on the existing German submarines?A. Yes, TKMS is in discussions with the Indian Navy about this. We have the capacity to integrate any weapon system that is selected by the Indian Navy into the existing Shishumar class submarines. In fact, such customised integrations have been successfully carried out by TKMS in similar type of submarines for many other Navies of the world.


Q. What other strategic benefits does TKMS offer to India?A. We can offer to the Indian Navy the world’s best, cutting-edge technologies in the form of modular construction, stealth technologies and integration of diverse weapon systems, including Brahmos missiles, besides providing high-quality training to both shipbuilders and crew in all disciplines.

ThyssenKrupp ready to transfer knowhow to India for submarines
 
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Good but we need larger version not the export version !!!
 
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We don't want german submarines with all the bells and whistle.
 
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Give me more info about U 216
they will sell india 216 but forget TOT for that as no one wil give there latest tech and india should buy 4 of those fully built by TKMS and rest two can be made in india under partial TOT than the other way round it will be much faster and cheaper option
 
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TYPE 216 SUB

HDW_type216_type_216_U-216_ssk_top.jpg


EXTRA FEATURES

• Bigger size Length: 89 m; Breadth: 8.1 m ;Maximum Draft: 6.6 m

• Double hull design.

• AIP system enabled which gives it endurance of 80 days same as nuclear sub

• Vertical Launch System (2.5 m diameter to deploy cruise missiles or UUV)

• Swimmer Delivery Vehicle (SDV) to deploy special forces

Type 216 / U-216 Conventional Submarine SSK
Submariners World: German - Type 216 / U-216 Conventional Submarine (SSK)

Well India can also make provision to have brahmos fitted into TYPE 216 also ,and later it can also be armed with NIRBHAY Sub launched LACM missile.So with all the extra features & correction of almost all faults from TYPE 214 sub , HDW's next gen TYPE 216 SUB looks the best eligible contender for INDIAN NAVY's PROJECT 75 I programme.

The German shipyard HDW has released information about a proposed conventional propulsion long-range submarine project, called Type 216. Based on the Type 214, the Type 216 is designed specifically to meet the "larger conventional submarine" needs of countries.

Design

Double hull design.
Type 216 could be equipped with an air independent propulsion system, giving it the same kind of ability as a nuclear submarine: Staying underwater for weeks to reach crisis area, such as the Strait of Malacca. Like an SSN It would have the ability to launch cruise missiles, to deploy special forces with their underwater delivery vehicle and even unmanned underwater vehicles. The class is designed to be extremely quiet due to its propulsion system and through the use of sound absorbing coating on the hull.

Weapons
6x 533 mm torpedo tubes (to deploy torpedoes, anti-ship missiles or mines)
Vertical Launch System (2.5 m diameter to deploy cruise missiles or UUV)
Swimmer Delivery Vehicle (SDV) to deploy special forces

Type
Conventional Submarine (SSK)
Crew
33 (extra accomodations for Special Forces)
Operators
None
Performance
Top Speed: N/A
Range: 10,400 nm @ 10 kts
Endurance: 80 days
Displacement
~4,000 tons
Engines
Diesel Electric with AIP
Builder
HDW - TKMS Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH
Dimensions
Length: 89 m
Breadth: 8.1 m
Maximum Draft: 6.6 m
 
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If we have enough money ! For the sake of national interest and security of our 1.25 billion people we could have 30 new SSK .
By ordering 4 more bigger Scorpions subs from French + 6 already under construction .

10 P75I Type 216 or Type 212 which will have atleast 60-80 days of endurance

10 more Russian AMUR-1650 SSK ...will
Give much needed SSK numbers we planned for navy in 2000 or so.

This will be additional to 6 new SSN + 3 ARIHANT + 2 Russian SSN .

More than enough to have credible defence and offensive power !

Don't forget we have some 12 old subs and most importantly we need good numbers to provide defensive layers for our 2 CBG ....
 
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NDA has not signed a single Major defence deal since its come to power. If it's really serious about National security then it needs to sign Apache, Chinook and Rafale deal before the end of this month . It also need to get the P75I project signed before 2017, other wise our submarine force will dwindle to 9 SSKs and 3 SSBN
as 10 of the 13 SSks currently in service will retire while only 6 scorpenes will be inducted during that time.
 
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ThyssenKrupp ready to transfer knowhow to India for submarines for Type 214

— Dr Gurnad Sodhi, MD ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems India talks to Girja Shankar Kaura
2015_3$largeimg16_Mar_2015_234917870.jpg

Dr Gurnad Sodhi


The ‘Project 75’ for the construction of six submarines for the Indian Navy has been in the pipeline for long time now. Dr Gurnad Sodhi, Managing Director, ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) India, which is one of the companies in fray for the order, talks about what the company has to offer to India.


Q. What has prompted TKMS to participate in one of the lndia’s largest Defence tender for the construction of six submarines under Project 75 India (P-75 (I) for the Indian Navy?A. The Ministry of Defence is expected to issue the P-75 (I) RFP for which we are planning to offer the Type 214 submarine, which combines best-in-class underwater endurance and diving depth. Besides its highly regarded anti-surface and anti-submarine operations, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, the HDW Class 214's proven fuel cell-based Air Independent Propulsion system is the best available in the market and offers exceptional operational advantages to the Indian Navy.
Since the Indian Navy has been our customer for over 30 years, we have established a strong working relationship with them and are in a position to fully satisfy their requirements.


Q. Has TKMS short-listed any Indian shipyard for collaboration or alliance?A. A high-level committee has been formed by the MoD and is currently evaluating the Indian shipyards. It is expected that this Committee will submit its report shortly.

TKMS respects the decision by the MoD in short-listing the most capable shipyard(s) without any bias. Thereafter, we will commence our negotiations with the shortlisted shipyard(s).


Q. Will TKMS adhere to India’s new policy of ‘Make in India’?A. We are committed to the ‘Make and Made in India’ policy. This would encompass inter alia robust Transfer of Technology (ToT), training, meeting the offset obligations etc. TKMS is willing to bring its expertise in cutting-edge areas to India and co-develop solutions with local partners to meet the country's needs. Besides the most capable submarine, best value for money and a strong industrial partnership, TKMS is offering extensive ToT to India.

Q. Could TKMS throw some light on the present status of its four submarines which were commissioned in the late eighties and early nineties?A. TKMS has been a trusted partner of the Indian Navy for over 25 years. The Indian Navy has operated successfully the HDW Type 209 since their induction in 1986. The very fact that INS Shalki and Shankul were made in India by an Indian Shipyard under a technology-transfer agreement is proof that TKMS has been supporting India’s indigenous defence industry for over a quarter of a century. We can proudly claim that all our four submarines are performing well without any inherent problems.


Q. Are there any plans to upgrade the existing HDW/Shishumar class submarines with the Indian Navy?A. Yes, we are currently exploring opportunities to upgrade the Shishumar class Type 209 submarines with the Indian Navy, for lifetime extensions. TKMS has successfully demonstrated in several countries, how substantial ToT can be implemented in the upgrade of the HDW Type 209s.


Q. Is the Indian Navy also contemplating upgrading the weapon suite on the existing German submarines?A. Yes, TKMS is in discussions with the Indian Navy about this. We have the capacity to integrate any weapon system that is selected by the Indian Navy into the existing Shishumar class submarines. In fact, such customised integrations have been successfully carried out by TKMS in similar type of submarines for many other Navies of the world.


Q. What other strategic benefits does TKMS offer to India?A. We can offer to the Indian Navy the world’s best, cutting-edge technologies in the form of modular construction, stealth technologies and integration of diverse weapon systems, including Brahmos missiles, besides providing high-quality training to both shipbuilders and crew in all disciplines.

ThyssenKrupp ready to transfer knowhow to India for submarines

Better to go for additional
French subs
 
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The original plan was to build 6 Scorpenes under Project 75 and anothe 6 subs bought from other nation under P 75I and then use experience gained in both projects to develop and build 12 indigenous subs.

If addtional scorpenes are ordered, this number may come down.
 
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The original plan was to build 6 Scorpenes under Project 75 and anothe 6 subs bought from other nation under P 75I and then use experience gained in both projects to develop and build 12 indigenous subs.

If addtional scorpenes are ordered, this number may come down.
We don't have time to wait for indigenous subs. Better go for 4 bigger Scorpions from off the shelf ! Along with P75I and P75 . We will focus on SSN very soon . Hope they increase P75I to 12 over all

With 3 ship yards involved it will be good for IN
 
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