This Is What the Modi Sarkar Has Done to Indian Muslims

[alhindi]

Is it the responsibility of the "minority" not to lynch any "majority" ?

It is responsibilty of all indians to save innocents from lynching by criminal mobs .

 

[Joe Shearer]

A truly obnoxious troll. Look at his trail of shit.

No need of appeasement , cowardness of hindus is responsible for this ,

So you agree that being majority Hindus have to appease muslims to make them "feel safe".

No need for appeasement , just punish criminals who kill innocent muslims by lynching .

How about punishing criminals who kill innocent hindus by lynching ?

Criminals are criminals whether hindu or muslim , let the law enforcing agencies do their work .

LOL...... but ..... but ..... but ...... you just said its the responsibility of "majority hindu" to make you feel "safe"

 

[pakpride00090]

A truly obnoxious troll. Look at his trail of shit.

I have reported him.. Nothing but unproductive posts and trolling.

That's crazy, man. I think Islam teaches you not to be a racist person. Your hatred for the so-called "gangu Muslims" is off the charts. But whatever, we all know the world isn't perfect.

He is a nutjob. Being proud of your country is good but looking down on others is despicable.

Besides , proudness of nationality is not something I personally consider a good trait as you never chose the country you were born in.
Muslims in India are in very dangerous situation. I sympathize with them and understand why the appeasement policy is in place. Pakistanis should be grateful that they don't have to face such times.

Also , you are a good poster. Your posts are informative and devoid of trolling.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I have reported him.. Nothing but unproductive posts and trolling.

It is the multiple ID troll.

Also , you are a good poster. Your posts are informative and devoid of trolling.

If he ends putting Taliban labels on Pakistanis, he will be better.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

A truly obnoxious troll. Look at his trail of shit.

I have reported him.. Nothing but unproductive posts and trolling.

Thread banned.

I was thinking of deleting the posts mentioned, but sometimes it’s useful to leave such things for people to better understand a particular mindset.

 

[alhindi]

but .... but .... but .... just a few posts back you were saying its the responsibility of "majority" Hindus to do that

When did you change you mind ?

I said about responsibility of majority hindus because in recent years innocent muslims were lynched by hindus .
It is common sense that every responsible indian should stop such lynching by any criminal mob .

 

[Joe Shearer]

I said about responsibility of majority hindus because in recent years innocent muslims were lynched by hindus .
It is common sense that every responsible indian should stop such lynching by any criminal mob .

I feel terribly sorry that you had to face this very unpleasant attack right at the outset. Welcome to the Forum, and please believe that this is NOT the norm. Hope you have a pleasant and fruitful time.

Muslims in India are in very dangerous situation. I sympathize with them and understand why the appeasement policy is in place. Pakistanis should be grateful that they don't have to face such times.

This actually is a Sanghi trope that claims that the Congress appeased Muslims, and leant in their favour to get their votes, with the consequence (this following is said only in election speeches and by Sanghis in a mob) that Muslims in India forget their position and claim equal rights as citizens.

It was one of the most vicious attacks I have seen.

 

[KhanBaba2]

My fellow country is pakistan.

You want me to make Pakistan feel safe ?

If you meant my fellow country men, then I was not aware that it is the role and responsibility of the Hindus to do that

I foolishly thought it was the role of the police, judiciary and the govt.

How about making cows feel safe ?

Typical whataboutism except in this case the the culprit has been arrested.

It is the role of every Indian to behave in a way so no other Indian feels unsafe.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Majority of muslims are patriotic indian.
No need of appeasement , cowardness of hindus is responsible for this , being a majority this is responsibility of hindus to make muslims feel safe in india , why a coward mob of hindus lynch muslims on rumour of beef ? Why govt does not punish those criminals who lynch innocent muslims ?

The government is obliged by the social contract to take care of all its citizens, regardless of faith.

If the government breaks the contract, the citizens have a right to independence and to break the cycle of repression.

How will Indian Muslims be able to trust any Indian government in the future, when neither Congress nor RSS ceased attacks on them, be they economic, social, or physical?

 

[pakpride00090]

It is the multiple ID troll.



If he ends putting Taliban labels on Pakistanis, he will be better.

He is an overall good poster. Not everyone is familiar with Taliban and I don't expect everyone to agree with each us. Shantau is polite and expresses his reservation in civil way which is commendable.

I feel terribly sorry that you had to face this very unpleasant attack right at the outset. Welcome to the Forum, and please believe that this is NOT the norm. Hope you have a pleasant and fruitful time.



This actually is a Sanghi trope that claims that the Congress appeased Muslims, and leant in their favour to get their votes, with the consequence (this following is said only in election speeches and by Sanghis in a mob) that Muslims in India forget their position and claim equal rights as citizens.

It was one of the most vicious attacks I have seen.

I was actually speaking from perspective of Indian muslims that they have to appease sanghis/hindutva folks to make their lives bearable in India.

Nonetheless I agree with your comment.

In India there is religious violence. Muslims also kills Hindus in India but in Pakistan there is one sided violence only.

There is nothing called anti muslim violence in India. Hindu, Muslim everyone attacks each other.

Can you show me one incident in Pakistan where Christians, Hindus or member of minority killed any one from the Muslim majority? No.

There has never been a state sponsored massacre of Hindus / Christians in Pakistan. I can challenge any Indian on that. No Hindu/Christian underwent Gujarat (2002) like massacre in Pakistan. Yes , one or two isolated incidents may have happened because stupid people are in every country but there was never a state wide crack down on hindus. The same can not be said of India in which there is regular occurrence of State orchestrated violence against minorities on a grand scale.

It is understandable that when muslims in India are killed under state patronage, they must have retaliated in their defense. But even then , casualties of muslims far outnumbers Hindu casualties figure.

Hindus in Pakistan don't have to retaliate because there is no wide spread state sanctioned pogrom against them. One or two isolated incidents are taken care of by the police and the government. I can guarantee that police in Pakistan don't discriminate on basis of religion. They may be corrupt and lazy but never racist. Whereas in India, police and other state machinery have been used against muslims from time and time again. Not only that ,they have actively shielded hindu attackers and allowed them to attack muslims. Recent Delhi massacre is a classic example.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He is an overall good poster. Not everyone is familiar with Taliban and I don't expect everyone to agree with each us. Shantau is polite and expresses his reservation in civil way which is commendable.



I was actually speaking from perspective of Indian muslims that they have to appease sanghis/hindutva folks to make their lives bearable in India.

Nonetheless I agree with your comment.



There has never been a state sponsored massacre of Hindus / Christians in Pakistan. I can challenge any Indian on that. No Hindu/Christian underwent Gujarat (2002) like massacre in Pakistan. Yes , one or two isolated incidents may have happened because stupid people are in every country but there was never a state wide crack down on hindus. The same can not be said of India in which there is regular occurrence of State orchestrated violence against minorities on a grand scale.

It is understandable that when muslims in India are killed under state patronage, they must have retaliated in their defense. But even then , casualties of muslims far outnumbers Hindu casualties figure.

Hindus in Pakistan don't have to retaliate because there is no wide spread state sanctioned pogrom against them. One or two isolated incidents are taken care of by the police and the government. I can guarantee that police in Pakistan don't discriminate on basis of religion. They may be corrupt and lazy but never racist. Whereas in India, police and other state machinery have been used against muslims from time and time again. Not only that ,they have actively shielded hindu attackers and allowed them to attack muslims. Recent Delhi massacre is a classic example.

It is imperative than Indian Muslims begin to arm themselves and secure their neighborhoods. Most of all, they need to bring confidence into their children and become convinced in their cause for freedom.

Remember there is a community which had locked out Indian army in Srinagar by blocking off roads leading to their neighborhood. It prevented the kind of oppression which Indian army committed against their people in other parts of Kashmir.

He is an overall good poster. Not everyone is familiar with Taliban and I don't expect everyone to agree with each us. Shantau is polite and expresses his reservation in civil way which is commendable.

Basically, people who do not understand Pakistan and its internal dunamics should not be trying to manipulate our behavior.

Pukhtoons are very much a part of Pakistan, and a major source of our national identity, who can deny us the right to have relationships with Afghan Pukhtoons, who share our culture and civilization.

How is an outsider from an enemy state and non-Muslim trying to abuse Pakistanis on PDF for having friendly relationships with our Muslim neighbor?

Reminds me of the nonsense over Sania Mirza...

 

[xeuss]

A truly obnoxious troll. Look at his trail of shit.

When he cannot even get his moral compass correct and cannot distinguish between right and wrong, something is seriously wrong with him and society at large.

Discrimination based on race, religion, caste, creed , masslaq, is everywhere .
This happens everywhere .this is not only in india .live with it .

Does that make it okay? What next? Just because crime happens in every country we should stop have a police force and judiciary and stop making criminal complaints?

I have read your other posts, and surely you seem to be far more intelligent and balanced than what you wrote above.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

When he cannot even get his moral compass correct and cannot distinguish between right and wrong, something is seriously wrong with him and society at large.



Does that make it okay? What next? Just because crime happens in every country we should stop have a police force and judiciary and stop making criminal complaints?

I have read your other posts, and surely you seem to be far more intelligent and balanced than what you wrote above.

Each and every nice thread is going to dogs because so many posters have their own axes to grind.

Can we have an internal code of conduct at least among the Indian posters to prevent this derailing? I am talking to you and @Joe Shearer, @jamahir and any other sane Indian posters here.

This is a thread on an internal problem of India. Some Pakistani posters have turned this to about themselves.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Each and every nice thread is going to dogs because so many posters have their own axes to grind.

Can we have an internal code of conduct at least among the Indian posters to prevent this derailing? I am talking to you and @Joe Shearer, @jamahir and any other sane Indian posters here.

This is a thread on an internal problem of India. Some Pakistani posters have turned this to about themselves.

First, a personal statement.

I am now deathly scared even to open my mouth. A caustic remark about Shekhar Gupta, whom I admire and follow, but who made a cake of himself in a recent video, was taken personally by a member, who then, to my unmitigated horror, proceeded to accept the imagined rebuke humbly.

It seems safest to be a mute observer.

Coming to your immediate point, I agree totally. We have to keep some civility and courtesy inter se, and ensure that we do not cover each other with mud. You have my commitment to that.

With regard to obsessional Pakistanis, that is an environmental hazard, and even with the best goodwill and positive support from the administration, it is difficult to see what to do about that. They are of the firm and fixed opinion that they are acting legitimately in defence of 'their' forum, defending themselves against unwanted aliens; what on earth can be done about this?

They even had a thread on this theme.

I will go along with any reasonable course of action suggested by you others.

[Edit.] FIRST, continue this discussion on a new thread; we are technically off-topic on this one.

 

[jamahir]

Can we have an internal code of conduct at least among the Indian posters to prevent this derailing? I am talking to you and @Joe Shearer, @jamahir and any other sane Indian posters here.

Do you have a small list in mind ?

P.S : Perhaps in the 'Whatever' thread we can discuss.