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This Is What the Modi Sarkar Has Done to Indian Muslims

On this website you should learn to embrace India-bashing.
No, never.

Some disgruntled anti-national Indians will be here
That's fine, I like the spice in our democracy. Also super thick skinned, my mum hates Modi for god's sake lol

keep hating.

along with tons of Pakistanis.
That's what I'm here for, to talk to those guys.. bypass the media frenzy.. although, place seems to have gone down these past few.. dunno, probably got worse after August of last year.

still some good folk on here but the overwhelming majority of those guys are way too aggressive and there's just not as many level headed good conversations on here as there once used to be.
 
I am surprised that I have never come across this member before. Maybe he frequents the military threads where I don't go.
He is a Schrodinger member. He is there and yet not there in the sense he is privy to all that goes on without any need to come on here. @Paro_Peagus
 
This is a thread on an internal problem of India. Some Pakistani posters have turned this to about themselves.

Look where you are, you are on PDF. Pakistani input and our frank opinions, thoughts will always be here.

. But non-Indian posters should not impose their non-Indian point of view on threads internal to India.

We will talk about India, its government, and its social problems whenever it suits us.

Pakistanis are not the same anymore, we won't let our mehmandari get in the way of being open about our ideas anymore.
 
I am surprised that I have never come across this member before. Maybe he frequents the military threads where I don't go.
Been lurking around for 9 years now. Stuck to only reading sensible posts from old members time to time until a few months ago joe invited me to join a specific thread (though till date I haven't contributed anything on that thread to be fair).

Yup here. Giving likes and following your posts from a distance.

He is a Schrodinger member. He is there and yet not there in the sense he is privy to all that goes on without any need to come on here. @Paro_Peagus
Yes, I'm a cat lover and maintain a quantum superposition on this very Paradoxon defence forum.
 
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How about punishing criminals who kill innocent hindus by lynching ?


Of course ... law is equal for every one... so far only Hindus have near monopoly on this criminality ... With even international media bashing on this ...

Ps did you read “the hindu taliban” from the guardian?

India is being ruled by a Hindu Taliban
Anish Kapoor



https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/12/india-hindu-taliban-narendra-modi


I am not a muslim , i am a good hindu who does not discriminate between hindus or muslims or any other religion .
Sir you are jumping from one point to another , i just stated that it is responsibility of majority that they do not lynch any minority .
I am not favouring any criminal be it vikas dubey or dowd ibrahim , let the police deal the criminals .


Unfortunately you are tiny minority...

That is precisely what can be said about your post. Or don't you read mirror writing?



The reality is that you and several others like you actually went to the ridiculous, to the demented extent of starting a thread about this. That is a fact, a verifiable one, not your opinion dressed up with a pearl necklace. It is there on the ground, rather than mythical and imaginary things that you lot see.


Ok first of all you clearly have issues...

I only state the cold hard facts ... you don’t like them because it is the ugly truth..

it is a mind over matter concept. I don’t mind because you don’t matter ...

now coming on indian obsession on Pakistan it is glaringly obvious that even for non Pakistanis take notice. There are reasons for it..

as of date you haven’t reconciled the fact good chunck of the subcontinent doesn’t want to live with you. Instead of trying to under stand the reason for it you go over drive in your mantra of hate since 1947 and hence your toxic obsession. It is so bad even your now the gladly dead indian exFM stated on UN we will “isolate Pakistan”...

seriously how obsessed can u get??

One just has to look at your media , your gov , your army and the miserable behavior of you me people .. if you still can’t see it then as I said before you have issues .. not us

on Pakistanis side I think your former SC a judge (yes the same guy who correctly said 90% of Indians are idiots) said it best ...

“ they are reacting because you are provoking them”
 
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You Indian Muslims need to watch Ertugral and then you will learn what Muslims and Islam are.
Let's not be so haughty please. Indian Muslims know their history and heritage. They do not need to be reminded.
You live as a majority in a Muslim country, they have to survive in an increasing intolerant majoritarian society as a Muslim minority.

Different challenges, different solutions.
 
Look where you are, you are on PDF. Pakistani input and our frank opinions, thoughts will always be here.



We will talk about India, its government, and its social problems whenever it suits us.

Pakistanis are not the same anymore, we won't let our mehmandari get in the way of being open about our ideas anymore.

Har gal da proof ditta si tennu mai, par tuhada shaq khatm nahi honda.

Bas ik akhir suneya le yaara, tu mere sare byana di ghalt analysis karda firda hai. kis kism di dushmani hai? :cheesy:

Tera Allah tennu khair karey, good bye
 
Don't use the words of @Cliftonite brother. He was banned for a reason. Rabid pashtoon, punjabi, and islam hater.

I normally don't give credence to your rantings but this particular slanderous accusation you've levelled at me- that's quite a mouthful and I must refute it.

You say I am racist to Pashtuns? I am against the establishment backed Taliban narrative you want to impose on Pashtuns. One of a noble savage. One of a traditionalist who will restore the glory of Islam. Do you know how much of a disservice you are doing to the diverse Pashtun community by imposing this narrative on them?

I have had the privilege of interacting with Pashtuns during my university years. I was suprised to learn that they are a far more enlightened community than we give them credit for. You'll find pacifists, socialists, feminists, avid Bulleh Shah and Khushal Khan Khattak readers amongst them. A far cry from the narrative of a bearded conservative Taliban lover we've come to associate with them.

And if it's the Pashtun people themselves who want to accept this Taliban lifestyle for their community, I have no issues. And that will also have to include the 50% of population whose opinion goes unnoticed in Pakistani discourse; the women, the Pashtun women in this case. I am however not okay with nationalist fanbois imposing their Taliban fantasies onto the Pashtuns and speaking for them.

And I have never been against the Punjabi community. I think @Ladyuk will agree with me, that the Punjabi community is so diverse and culturally rich yet it hasn't quite got the credit it deserves. The Punjabi identity has been usurped by capitalist oligarchs from central Punjab and Punjabi elite has become synonymous with mansions on Canal Road and Gulberg and flashy BMWs. While actually the real syncretic culture of Punjab lies in the hinterlands; the Sufi-istic South Punjab, the hills of the Potohar, the fields of the Ravi doab.

I find it funny (and frankly quite pitiful), that for all your anti West sentiment, you guys still tout the same cliches that the British imposed on us and used to divide and rule us. The weak, driven by emotions Bengali; the noble savage, war minded Pashtun. Almost sounds right out of a Rudyard Kipling or E.M Forster cliched book on South Asia. Full of white saviour complex. Y'all haven't given enough time to understand our countrymen.
 
I normally don't give credence to your rantings but this particular slanderous accusation you've levelled at me- that's quite a mouthful and I must refute it.

You say I am racist to Pashtuns? I am against the establishment backed Taliban narrative you want to impose on Pashtuns. One of a noble savage. One of a traditionalist who will restore the glory of Islam. Do you know how much of a disservice you are doing to the diverse Pashtun community by imposing this narrative on them?

I have had the privilege of interacting with Pashtuns during my university years. I was suprised to learn that they are a far more enlightened community than we give them credit for. You'll find pacifists, socialists, feminists, avid Bulleh Shah and Khushal Khan Khattak readers amongst them. A far cry from the narrative of a bearded conservative Taliban lover we've come to associate with them.

And if it's the Pashtun people themselves who want to accept this Taliban lifestyle for their community, I have no issues. And that will also have to include the 50% of population whose opinion goes unnoticed in Pakistani discourse; the women, the Pashtun women in this case. I am however not okay with nationalist fanbois imposing their Taliban fantasies onto the Pashtuns and speaking for them.

And I have never been against the Punjabi community. I think @Ladyuk will agree with me, that the Punjabi community is so diverse and culturally rich yet it hasn't quite got the credit it deserves. The Punjabi identity has been usurped by capitalist oligarchs from central Punjab and Punjabi elite has become synonymous with mansions on Canal Road and Gulberg and flashy BMWs. While actually the real syncretic culture of Punjab lies in the hinterlands; the Sufi-istic South Punjab, the hills of the Potohar, the fields of the Ravi doab.

I find it funny (and frankly quite pitiful), that for all your anti West sentiment, you guys still tout the same cliches that the British imposed on us and used to divide and rule us. The weak, driven by emotions Bengali; the noble savage, war minded Pashtun. Almost sounds right out of a Rudyard Kipling or E.M Forster cliched book on South Asia. Full of white saviour complex. Y'all haven't given enough time to understand our countrymen.

Welcome back clif, the short time that I have been here I haven't seen you make anti punjabi comments I might be wrong but I think you and the Indian poster shantanu left are being targeted simply because you gave your personal experiences with afghans which didn't go down well in certain quarters.

I wish people on this forum could learn to be a bit more tolerant towards each other, the diversity of opinion would immensely benefit pdf.
 
I normally don't give credence to your rantings but this particular slanderous accusation you've levelled at me- that's quite a mouthful and I must refute it.

You say I am racist to Pashtuns? I am against the establishment backed Taliban narrative you want to impose on Pashtuns. One of a noble savage. One of a traditionalist who will restore the glory of Islam. Do you know how much of a disservice you are doing to the diverse Pashtun community by imposing this narrative on them?

I have had the privilege of interacting with Pashtuns during my university years. I was suprised to learn that they are a far more enlightened community than we give them credit for. You'll find pacifists, socialists, feminists, avid Bulleh Shah and Khushal Khan Khattak readers amongst them. A far cry from the narrative of a bearded conservative Taliban lover we've come to associate with them.

And if it's the Pashtun people themselves who want to accept this Taliban lifestyle for their community, I have no issues. And that will also have to include the 50% of population whose opinion goes unnoticed in Pakistani discourse; the women, the Pashtun women in this case. I am however not okay with nationalist fanbois imposing their Taliban fantasies onto the Pashtuns and speaking for them.

And I have never been against the Punjabi community. I think @Ladyuk will agree with me, that the Punjabi community is so diverse and culturally rich yet it hasn't quite got the credit it deserves. The Punjabi identity has been usurped by capitalist oligarchs from central Punjab and Punjabi elite has become synonymous with mansions on Canal Road and Gulberg and flashy BMWs. While actually the real syncretic culture of Punjab lies in the hinterlands; the Sufi-istic South Punjab, the hills of the Potohar, the fields of the Ravi doab.

I find it funny (and frankly quite pitiful), that for all your anti West sentiment, you guys still tout the same cliches that the British imposed on us and used to divide and rule us. The weak, driven by emotions Bengali; the noble savage, war minded Pashtun. Almost sounds right out of a Rudyard Kipling or E.M Forster cliched book on South Asia. Full of white saviour complex. Y'all haven't given enough time to understand our countrymen.

LOL this fella is banned again!
 
https://thewire.in/communalism/this-is-what-the-modi-sarkar-has-done-to-indian-muslims

This Is What the Modi Sarkar Has Done to Indian Muslims
Indian Muslims are being stripped of their Indian identity even as they are blamed for not being Indian enough.

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"With passing time, and with limited choice, my identity got established. I was a Muslim. Nothing less and nothing more." Photo: Public domain


Anonymous
COMMUNALISM
08/JUL/2020
Studying at Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) in the 1990s, my first physical fight was with a Muslim Kashmiri boy during the telecast of an India-Pakistan cricket match on the hostel TV set. He kept supporting Pakistan even when our team was playing better cricket.

I was a total nationalist. I loved war movies depicting Indian victory. A lump rose in my throat every time I heard the song ‘Sare jahan se achha Hindustan humara’. My heartbreaks when India lost crucial cricket matches were the talk of the town. All in all, my heart bled for India and I decided to stay put here even when most of my allegedly ‘non-patriotic’ Muslim friends and axiomatically ‘patriotic’ Hindu friends opted to leave for greener pastures in the West.

On another front, my liberal views made me stand out in a place like AMU. The sarcastic term to describe Muslims like me was ‘liberated’. I felt pride in the fact that I was both Muslim and ‘liberated’. Identity was a matter of choice for me. It happens when you are privileged.

Times changed. India changed. The demolition of the Babri Masjid, the Gujarat pogrom, rising communal tension, and finally a regime change. All this cast a disturbing shadow on my identity. For the first time in my life I started feeling more and more Muslim. The mirror of privilege to choose an identity had suddenly cracked. With a typical Muslim name, I found it impossible to rent a home in a metropolitan city. On learning my name, people’s expressions would alter, and suspicious glances would be exchanged. Conversations hushed as I entered my office. With passing time, and with limited choice, my identity got established. I was a Muslim. Nothing less and nothing more.

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As the Modi sarkar took a stronger foothold, the lynching of Muslims started. It disturbed me. My established identity could now bring a sudden and violent end to life. I started to debate less in public. I stopped saying salamwaleikum on receiving a phone call in a public space. I taught my kids to not call me abba while travelling on a train or a bus. I even started tweaking my name. Meat dishes were out of the menu, more so when I travelled. I had never imagined that the privilege of identity could actually turn into a handicap for me. In this new India, being both a Muslim and ‘liberated’ could mean sure trouble.

I started to live in fear. I pondered on my identity more than I did at any point in my life. I still didn’t say prayers five times and still didn’t fast in Ramzan. But I continued to be a Muslim.

On social media my name enraged people. I was shunned and trolled when speaking against the atrocities on my fellow citizens. Strangely, the most explicit of abuses came when I wrote against the caste system. Identity was now someone else’s privilege! Words like kafir, jihadi, antinational, mullah, katua followed me on every page of the web. I was accused of being affiliated to the Taliban and ISIS. My liberal values were mocked: “How can a Muslim support a democracy?” If I attempted to argue, my detractors would ask me to go to Pakistan, and sometimes even Saudi Arabia. A cloud of hate hung over my head all the time, like a halo, and I started becoming used to its presence.

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The whole idea was to make me realise that I was a Muslim alone. Any other identity was not for me. Gradually, I too started becoming wary of wearing my patriotism on my sleeve. I think the most dangerous and unfortunate part of any system of apartheid is the fatigue of those who are optimistic despite the discrimination. As each optimist begins to lose hope, the discrimination wins and gets rooted a little more firmly. The protests against the Citizenship (Amendment) Act drew me in, but only as a Muslim who sees the writing on the wall. The concerned citizen of a democracy was slowly fading away like the evening sky.

Humans lose hope when they are not loved. To be differentiated and discriminated is to be alienated. As Pablo Neruda said in his poem, ‘If you forget me‘:

Well, now,

if little by little you stop loving me
I shall stop loving you, little by little

If suddenly

you forget me
do not look for me
for I shall already have forgotten you

When India lost the cricket World Cup semi-final in July 2019, I felt bad not because India lost but because something in me had already died. My overriding feeling that day was just relief. The relief that Modi could not turn a World Cup victory into yet another moment of personal aggrandisement. Relief that the bigots who had abused me and others would be denied a moment of happiness which so quickly turns into chauvinism in their hands. Relief because it spared us interminable chest thumping by rabid news anchors who had nothing to do with the game but would have taken credit for a victory anyway or found some way to turn it into a communal issue.

Also read: In New India, a Muslim Rose Smells Different From a Hindu Rose

When news of the Chinese intrusion came, I looked at the issue as if from the outside. I felt terrible for the slain soldiers, of course, but as fellow human beings and not because they and I are Indian. Like other Indians, I felt revulsion at the obfuscation by ‘nationalist’ anchors who have used the word ‘appeasement’ so often and so loosely, they no longer are able to recognise it when it happens in front of them. Like other Indians, I felt revulsion at the post-intrusion mumbling, kneeling and lying by the prime minister. The humiliation of a leader whose regime had humiliated me and others like me so much – and which thinks nothing of labelling us ‘anti-national’ and ‘seditious’ – did not displease me so much as fill me with dread about the future of our country which is clearly not safe in their hands.

Since the “leader” is seen as synonymous with “nation”, the social media trolls will still see me as a Muslim who is not an Indian for writing this. But for everyone else, I have no doubt they will understand what I am saying: that when nations treat their citizens unequally, the notion of national identity takes a beating.

I write this piece anonymously because I have a family. I have a job. I live in a neighbourhood. This is a New India and I am a coward. It had to be anonymous.
Dude see this is the behavior which turned a hardcore nationalist Jinnah a arch enemy of the British invaders into a separatist.
Two nation theory is a harsh reality for every so called Indian Muslim.
 

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