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There are limits to our restraint: Pakistan tells India

But what about all the rona dhona on your side? Don't involve us in the false flag Uri attack. What about artillery fire on our posts that killed 2 soldiers. Yes we are exercising restraint, but as Maliha Lodhi said, there is a limit to everything.

I don't like what the Indian media has been doing, no doubt about that. What else?

And as for involving or not involving you in the false flag Uri attack. that sort of things does not happen in a democracy; it gets found out when it happens. Since your country has been playing the innocent since 1947 - and 1965 and 2002 - there is every reason for suspicion especially when infiltrators always come from Pakistan Administered Kashmir. What part of this do you feel I am exaggerating? I will withdraw it if you can point to something.

Joe, you are very few rational Indians I have seen on this forum. Do you believe Pakistan will damage its position by sending trained kashmiris to kill your 18 soldiers at a time when UNGA proceedings are happening? Come on man!

Upon my word of honour, I believe that is what happened. It is up to you to believe it or not.
 
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I don't like what the Indian media has been doing, no doubt about that. What else?

And as for involving or not involving you in the false flag Uri attack. that sort of things does not happen in a democracy; it gets found out when it happens. Since your country has been playing the innocent since 1947 - and 1965 and 2002 - there is every reason for suspicion especially when infiltrators always come from Pakistan Administered Kashmir. What part of this do you feel I am exaggerating? I will withdraw it if you can point to something.

I am not going into history, only asking you about Uri attacks. If Pakistan was really involved in this attack, then she had lost all the points she had yet to score in UNGA. What do you think?
 
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I said you can enjoy your Prapaganda feed 1990 vintage video then. Why bother when there is no surgical strike, and as far as the our Videos are concerned, they are made from the UAVs with real time location and time updates with Satellite imaginary of our CATOSAT to backup our Claim. Rest assure, you will get the Shocker Mamoo !!!

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Oh so now you have made up UAV feed to go with your nonsensical claims
 
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Upon my word of honour, I believe that is what happened. It is up to you to believe it or not.

I respect your opinion but it seems inclined to your government's explanation of events. But then you should just think rationally as well. Think from an independent standpoint and forget for a moment you are an Indian.

All the events from Uri attack to today, have they not diverted the focus from Kashmir's freedom movement and hurt the cause of Pakistan and Kashmiris? Who benefited from all these events?
 
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Well the whole operation was videographed with the UAVs, and CATOSAT plays an important role in the whole operation.

Hmmm and whats the plan wait and wait then release vague nighttime footage of unidentifiable locations?
 
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Stupid Modi won't listen. He won't get re-elected unless he stops outrages like the Uri massacre and the Pathankot attack. Let's forget about Bombay. Everybody in the world knows who did it, down to the individuals involved, but the state that did it is continuously in denial. It's been years now, and no signs of remorse.

What can you say to such a nation? Caught in the act, but still pretending that it has nothing to answer for?
some point agree.. we need to get answer for samjuta express. army public school. in Bangladesh as pm modi except himself.. Baluchistan. i mean my dear friend. life is not as easy as you think as i seee.. so both side does things... but i believe we have simple thing in our blood line that is defense for our borders.. for that ... we have enough in our pockets.. and i know India have that as well... and pak ISI HAVE DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.. as per my experience...
 
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Hmmm and whats the plan wait and wait then release vague nighttime footage of unidentifiable locations?

We are only enjoying, to see how the mountains of lies crumble under its own pressure and admit himself.
 
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I am not going into history, only asking you about Uri attacks. If Pakistan was really involved in this attack, then she had lost all the points she had yet to score in UNGA. What do you think?

OK, let me put it as neutrally as I can, and forget that I am an Indian - one of that dying breed that wants peace with your country, but still, at core, an Indian, one who has paid his dues, who has served his country in his own little way.

There is not a single shred of evidence that these four killed infiltrators were Pakistani citizens. Unless the Pakistani authorities cooperate, and match DNA samples with suspects, or simply asks the Army who these are, and enforces that question and ensures that it is answered honestly, there is no proof. Their navigation devices show where they started from, but who on the Pakistani side, other than those who know, will accept that these were not tampered with by us?

Right.

So who could it be?

Local Kashmiris? Why would they travel so far away to attack an armed camp, when they have a thousand times more soft targets closer to where they are?

False flag? Indians killing 18 Indian soldiers, and allowing themselves to be killed at the end? Do YOU think that scenario makes sense?

Who are the four dead infiltrators?

As far as the deathly effect that it had on the UNGA representation, would we go to such lengths to counter Nawaz Sharif? Really? Have there not been a thousand representations to the UN, to the EU, to the USA, to individual companies where some sympathy was hoped for, to the OIC, to the Chinese, to anyone who might listen? Did we kill 18 to 20 soldiers on each such occasion, to sabotage your forthcoming presentation?

Think about it and let me know what your response is.
 
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some point agree.. we need to get answer for samjuta express. army public school. in Bangladesh as pm modi except himself.. Baluchistan. i mean my dear friend. life is not as easy as you think as i seee.. so both side does things... but i believe we have simple thing in our blood line that is defense for our borders.. for that ... we have enough in our pockets.. and i know India have that as well... and pak ISI HAVE DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.. as per my experience...

Let me talk about what I know is true.

The Samjhauta Express was, on the bulk of the available evidence at the moment, a rogue operation by a dangerous right wing group of religious fanatics who hate Muslims. This has not been proven; investigations and case building is going on, at a glacial pace. An Army officer was implicated, and there was huge disappointment in the country; the Indian Army is supposed to be virginal, as far as politics is concerned. He himself bitterly protested, saying that he had been specifically assigned to get close to the right-wing religious bigoted fringe element. After a very long investigation, the others are in detention, awaiting trial, but Col. Purohit, it has been recommended, is no longer in suspicion. The strings connecting him to the real group of perpetrators is very, very thin.

As far as the Army Public School horror is concerned, I request you to check with those who know from the Pakistani side. The entire external network of R&W was dissolved during the tenure of that most appalling PM, Inder Gujral. It was only two years ago, when Modi appointed the former R&W person as NSA, that efforts started at rebuilding the apparatus,

It takes decades to build a network, only days to demolish it. Think about it, how could there have been a non-existent operation organised by a non-existent organisation?
 
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We are only enjoying, to see how the mountains of lies crumble under its own pressure and admit himself.

Your only confusing yourselves

Kashmir has been in turmoil for months now, 20 of your soldiers are burned to death

Your nations hindutva ego takes a beating because the military option is shown to be a non option

So you are stuck with the Hindutva brigade scratching their heads


Hence the drama, what use to do get put of fooling yourselves
If Pak army manages to kill indian soldiers or another Uri takes place with another 20 dead indian soldiers

Then what? Kashmir is still in turmoil, Pak army is still here, more bollywoodesq surgical strikes?
 
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No tangible, proven evidence to prove in a court of law, but it's there to ascertain.
 
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I respect your opinion but it seems inclined to your government's explanation of events. But then you should just think rationally as well. Think from an independent standpoint and forget for a moment you are an Indian.

All the events from Uri attack to today, have they not diverted the focus from Kashmir's freedom movement and hurt the cause of Pakistan and Kashmiris? Who benefited from all these events?

Nobody.

As a loyal and patriotic Indian, I abhor the treatment that has been meted out to the Kashmiris for fifty something years, and stand for a different approach. In every post even remotely concerning Kashmir, I have advocated it. The point is not what a nice chap I am but that a wide section of Indians believes that way. Go into Facebook and look up Moderate Voice of Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh; there are two such fora, look for the one with Sualeh Keen and Shantiveer Kaul (my gurus). Read what they stand for. See how many members that group has, and see how we view Kashmir.

No diversion.

Our friends and dear comrades, ordinary Kashmiris, are in trouble. No question of diversion.
 
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