Theory: Indian AWACS Radar Images

[PakSword]

Hindustan times is quoting US department of defense(with name). Does US DOD have more credibility than Lara or not?

Who knows they are quoting which official? Maybe, they have made up the entire story.. And from your Hindustan Times story: The state department was quick to distance itself from the news report when they were requested to confirm or deny it. They made it clear that they did not publicly comment on details of government-to-government agreements, especially on articles related to defence.

Again check who is Lara..

Lara SeligmanVerified account
@laraseligman
Pentagon Correspondent for @foreignpolicy.

So, they neither confirmed the story, not denied it.. Anyway, world reported FP and I haven't seen many international newspapers reporting Hindustan Times.. because there is no official correspondent of HT in Pentagon..

 

[Osiris]

Exactly no proof

The ONLY indisputable proof is of one indian jet shot down and one indian pilot in custody

Whilst we believe we also shot down a Su30 we dont have sufficient proof

The difference is as a result we are not trying to jump through hoops trying to prove something that is awkward to prove

India however is humiliated and has a bruised ego and is thus jumping around like dog with itchy *** trying to bring up any amount of nonsense to try and prove a f16 has been bought down

The WORLD has moved on
Pakistan won this battle in 2019 Or atleast came out on top

Its something indians cant come to terms with

Here is the thing, Pakistan has the second pilot(which can be confirmed from DGISPR interview of 5th March)

So it should not be difficult at all, for Pakistan to prove that second IAF aircraft was brought down.

However, it will only be difficult to prove, that second aircraft shot down Indian after-all, only if the second pilot, who died within Pakistani custody was not Indian at all, but a Pakistani.

 

[dbc]

I have been working on radars, all my adult life..this is a radar overlay.

These images prove nothing.

 

[hussain0216]

Here is the thing, Pakistan has the second pilot(which can confirmed from DGISPR interview of 5th March)

So it should not be difficult at all, for Pakistan to prove that second IAF aircraft was brought down.

However, it will be difficult to prove that second Indian aircraft was shot down, only if second pilot who died within Pakistani custody was not Indian at all, but a Pakistani.

How do we know ISPR was not just releasing statements to confuse or troll the indians in the midst of battle?

Misinformation is a tool of war for thousands of years..

Rather then get hung up on words in the middle of hostilities what actual proof do you have of any plane being shot down

We have a plane and had a pilot which everyone saw

What plane and pilot do you have?
Even picture of the fallen plane would do, anything

 

[PakSword]

Here is the thing, Pakistan has the second pilot(which can confirmed from DGISPR interview of 5th March)

So it should not be difficult at all, for Pakistan to prove that second IAF aircraft was brought down.

However, it will be difficult to prove that second Indian aircraft was shot down, only if second pilot who died within Pakistani custody was not Indian at all, but a Pakistani.

First lets debate whether a Pakistani F-16 was shot down or not, then we will talk about Su30..

So.. a pentagon correspondent says that all Pakistani F-16s are operational.. by the way, it wasn't a special investigation, it is a routine count US performs every year.. So it is not out of ordinary. HT story has no credibility whatsoever, that's why, no other international media outlet bought HT's story..

It means all our F-16s are accounted for.. It also means that your radar imagery is not correct.. or there are flaws in it.. and that results in credibility issues in all of the IAF accounts from the beginning..

 

[Osiris]

How do we know ISPR was not just releasing statements to confuse or troll the indians in the midst of battle?

Misinformation is a tool of war for thousands of years..

Rather then get hung up on words in the middle of hostilities what actual proof do you have of any plane being shot down

We have a plane and had a pilot which everyone saw

What plane and pilot do you have?
Even picture of the fallen plane would do, anything

No one is arguing about the MIG 21 being shot down, It was accepted by IAF the same day.

The entire debate is around wether the second aircraft, shot down wasn an Indian or Pakistani.

We have AWACS images, which we have shown, what proof have you presented that a Su 30 was shot down.

It is not misinformation, it is called lying to your people. So if DGISPR is lying about second pilot being in Pakistan and F-16 not being used, then what else, is he lying about ?

First lets debate whether a Pakistani F-16 was shot down or not, then we will talk about Su30..

So.. a pentagon correspondent says that all Pakistani F-16s are operational.. by the way, it wasn't a special investigation, it is a routine count US performs every year.. So it is not out of ordinary. HT story has no credibility whatsoever, that's why, no other international media outlet bought HT's story..

It means all our F-16s are accounted for.. It also means that your radar imagery is not correct.. or there are flaws in it.. and that results in credibility issues in all of the IAF accounts from the beginning..

Lets clarify, a reporter who reports from pentagon, has said, that an un-named source within pentagon has told her that, F-16 count is complete, which means nothing, until Pentagon officially confirms it.

 

[PakSword]

Lets clarify, a reporter who reports from pentagon, has said, that an un-named source has told her that F-16 count is complete.

And HT reported about the entire US DoD denying or confirming the story..

What's the name of HT's source?

 

[Osiris]

And HT reported about the entire US DoD denying or confirming the story..

What's the name of HT's source?

Question was presented to US DOD spokesperson.

 

[PakSword]

We have AWACS images, which we have shown, what proof have you presented that a Su 30 was shot down.

These images prove nothing.. If we provide similar images from our side writing 4 SU 30 trails vanishing, will you believe us?

You have provided zero credible evidence till now about Pakistani F-16.. in fact, a neutral source has denied your claim and the whole world reproduced that..

so right now, we have a score of 1-0 in credibility..

Question was presented to US DOD spokesperson.

It says "A US defence department spokesman told Hindustan Times in a statement"

How many spokesmen are there in DoD that HT had to write "A US defense department spokesman"

And the credibility of this report is such that no one in international press picked it up..

 

[Osiris]

These images prove nothing.. If we provide similar images from our side writing 4 SU 30 trails vanishing, will you believe us?

You have provided zero credible evidence till now about Pakistani F-16.. in fact, a neutral source has denied your claim and the whole world reproduced that..

so right now, we have a score of 1-0 in credibility..

And your inability provide evidence, despite having the second pilot in your custody, is evidence that he is not an Indian pilot but Pakistani one.

 

[hussain0216]

The entire debate is around wether the second aircraft, shot down wasn an Indian or Pakistani.

We have AWACS images, which we have shown, what proof have you presented that a Su 30 was shot down.

It is not misinformation, it is called lying to your people. So if DGISPR is lying about second pilot being in Pakistan and F-16 not being used, then what else, is he lying about ?

Which second pilot????

Unless a second pilot pops up, then there is NO second pilot

We can only go on verified facts

The verified facts are
Indian fighter jet shot down
Indian pilot in custody

There are no other verified facts

Your Awac images are as substantial as a 5 year olds drawing

They cant be verified and can be mocked up
The basis of IAF "evidence" is trust us and dont ask questions
Its for the gullible indian public not anyone or anything else

DG ISPR is part of Pakistans information wing, misinformation is part and parcel of war
Always has been!!

He can tell facts or he can disseminate information/propaganda


The only facts we have is indias humiliation in February lurching from one crash to another
Losing majors and officers in terrible operations
And ending up losing a plane and pilot before everything winded down


UNLESS you have substantial proof of a f16 going down and UNLESS Pakistan can produce substantial proof of a Su30 going down then its all guess work and ergo DID NOT HAPPEN

 

[PakSword]

And your inability provide evidence, despite having the second pilot in your custody, is evidence that he is not an Indian pilot but Pakistani one.

I asked you to first settle F-16 issue..

 

[Cookie Monster]

Here is the thing, Pakistan has the second pilot(which can be confirmed from DGISPR interview of 5th March)

So it should not be difficult at all, for Pakistan to prove that second IAF aircraft was brought down.

However, it will only be difficult to prove, that second aircraft shot down Indian after-all, only if the second pilot, who died within Pakistani custody was not Indian at all, but a Pakistani.

Let's assume ur stupid F16 being down scenario to be true...and let's see how quickly this idiot logic falls apart.

- IAF radar data shows F16 signature disappears(assumed to be shot down)
---> Surely PAF would see that on its radars too

- IAF says that at the same time radio communication of that F16 ceased...which is further indication of the F16 being destroyed.
---> PAF ground control would also have experienced that radio communication from that F16 ceasing at the same time as its radar signature dropped off.

And yet PAF couldn't put two and two together? Arrested it's own pilot and tweeted about it?

If u haven't realized the stupidity in that logic yet...basically it boils down to this...
For every indication IAF would've had of an F16 going down, PAF would've had that and more. Then if the goal was to hide that PAF jet had been downed, why would Pak claim the second pilot being down? So do u see ur self defeating logic yet?

Secondly PAF showed pics of unfired missiles on Mig21, which is more solid proof than this circumstantial evidence...more on this later**

Third...a US news source(well reputed) reported that US did a count of PAF F16s and they are all there. I know Indians are jumping up and down bcuz the reporter protected the privacy of her source...some Indians have gone as far as to claim that US doesn't want to hurt its sales by admitting that an F16 was shot down by a Mig21. I'm curious to know what would be the reaction of u guys if the count had been off by 1. I bet this same news reporter and the US would suddenly be the most credible source to Indians rather than being questioned as they are now

**now for more on that second part.
The "circumstantial evidence"(if not doctored) doesn't guarantee that an F16 was shot down. A fighter jet can drop off enemy's radar in a few ways. In comparison...US counting PAF F16s...there's no two ways about that...the jet is either there in front of their eyes(with the corresponding serial number) or its not.

So u can carry on believing ur fairy tales if u so wish...but it's obvious to the whole world.

 

[Osiris]

I asked you to first settle F-16 issue..

They both are inter-related.

If you can prove, that second aircraft downed, was an Indian one, then there is no F16 issue. Since only two aircrafts were shot down that day.

 

[hussain0216]

This second pilot.

watch from 01:00.

If Pakistan can not provide any evidence of the second pilot being Indian, despite him dying in Pakistan - then it obviously proves he was a Pakistani pilot.

Yes but their is NO second pilot!!!!

Unless we have actual proof of a second pilot, then he dosent exist

DG ISPR role is to disseminate information some of which is misinformation for the enemy

We simply cant go on words alone!!

All PAFs F16s are fighting fit and unless you have ACTUAL EVIDENCE to prove otherwise your just moaning and shedding tears for no reason

We are sure we got a Su30 but we dont have substantial enough evidence so there is no point crying about it

The difference with india is that indias ego has been shattered and as a result it keeps acting irrational and dramabazi