Radar comparison between JF-17 B3 and Rafale

[SQ8]

If this really was the case then PAF would have ordered more B3s rather then going in for J10s.

They didn’t because they have the real performance data available to them.

Because of smaller size, power transmission is a severe limitation on B3 radar. And radar power is the most important factor in its range. Moreover, radar is just one aspect. The sensor suite package is bound to play a bigger role in the overall performance of an aircraft in a hostile airspace. Rafale can pack-in more stuff and provide power due to its bigger size and load carrying capability.

B3 being better than Rafale as an overall package appears a far call.
More so in the absence of the factual information on electronics inside B3s.

There is more to it as well - at the end the Block-3 is a smaller jet with both size and power limitations. So while it can engage the Rafale at the ideal range and capabilities of the PL-15 with its kit and go toe to toe with it in air to air - it’s going to only be able to achieve that over Pakistani airspace.

The J-10C is such a kit that it can go inside India and (in planning and training) maintain air superiority within Indian ADGE to allow PAF OCA to be carried out by either itself or other PAF assets.

Again, these are all hypotheticals but that is the reason for the J-10C (somewhat different for the initial J-10A idea of being a M2k strike type for the PAF)

HAL begins flight trials of LCA Tejas Mk-1A

LCA Mk-1A is an upgraded version of the LCA Mk-1. LCA Mk-1 reached Full Operational Capability (FOC) in 2020.

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Nothing to do with the J-10 - if anything, the LCA buy is a godsend for all the poor Mig-21 pilots who finally have their prayers answered. The LCA isn’t that high on the PAF threat matrix partly because its not considered an offensive asset. Neither is the Mig-29UPG for reasons best known to the PAF(and IAF)

 

[VkdIndian]

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There is more to it as well - at the end the Block-3 is a smaller jet with both size and power limitations. So while it can engage the Rafale at the ideal range and capabilities of the PL-15 with its kit and go toe to toe with it in air to air - it’s going to only be able to achieve that over Pakistani airspace.

The J-10C is such a kit that it can go inside India and (in planning and training) maintain air superiority within Indian ADGE to allow PAF OCA to be carried out by either itself or other PAF assets.

Again, these are all hypotheticals but that is the reason for the J-10C (somewhat different for the initial J-10A idea of being a M2k strike type for the PAF)

Thanks @SQ8. That does give a valuable insight to the story.

@Huffal this is how value is added to a thread. Watch and learn please.

 

[MastanKhan]

Oh ffs, the whole 'if jeff is so good, then why did they buy j10' malarkey again.


Are you that ignorant to not see the difference between the 2 fighters? Such as one is a LIGHT combat aircraft and the other is MEDIUM combat aircraft?

Its the same ordeal with the Tejas and Rafale. If Tejas so good, then why did India buy the Rafale? Why didnt they just stick with Tejas through out the whole thing?

Hi,

Not so fast---.

J10C is a fully integrated aircraft with weapons and EW package. So---the NOW THREAT has been covered. Plus we needed replacements for the F16's.

JF17 BLK3 is just going thru those steps. So---the future threats would be covered.

F16 is the best aircraft that there was---then why did the USAF buy the F15's---?

 

[Tornado23]

Hi,

Not so fast---.

J10C is a fully integrated aircraft with weapons and EW package. So---the NOW THREAT has been covered. Plus we needed replacements for the F16's.

JF17 BLK3 is just going thru those steps. So---the future threats would be covered.

F16 is the best aircraft that there was---then why did the USAF buy the F15's---?

I know

F16 is the best aircraft that there was---then why did the USAF buy the F15's---?

Is this rhetorical?

 

[MastanKhan]

I know

Is this rhetorical?

Hi,

Is it---? ---You should know.

I just responded to your comments.

 

[Tornado23]

Hi,

Is it---? ---You should know.

I just responded to your comments.

I dont know thats why im asking. (im not being funny BTW, you can ask @Signalian)

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

Not so fast---.

J10C is a fully integrated aircraft with weapons and EW package. So---the NOW THREAT has been covered. Plus we needed replacements for the F16's.

JF17 BLK3 is just going thru those steps. So---the future threats would be covered.

F16 is the best aircraft that there was---then why did the USAF buy the F15's---?

And, the PAF has also made the "down payment" on the TFX project (accommodating engines from multiple diverse sources), which is earmarked to be in the F22 class coupled with "loyal wingmen jet powered combat UAVs"......

 

[PakAlp]

If this really was the case then PAF would have ordered more B3s rather then going in for J10s.

They didn’t because they have the real performance data available to them.

Because of smaller size, power transmission is a severe limitation on B3 radar. And radar power is the most important factor in its range. Moreover, radar is just one aspect. The sensor suite package is bound to play a bigger role in the overall performance of an aircraft in a hostile airspace. Rafale can pack-in more stuff and provide power due to its bigger size and load carrying capability.

B3 being better than Rafale as an overall package appears a far call.
More so in the absence of the factual information on electronics inside B3s.

Rafale without a doubt is an amazing fighting machine, Jf17 B3 is light weight fighter jet so it is inferior but what Paf done is packed it with enough punch to defend Pakistan, the radar, missile, jamming, electronic capability matters alot. J10C is a heavier weight plane so it has more capability to deal with the Rafale threat and this is why Pakistan purchased 36 planes.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Hi,

Not so fast---.

J10C is a fully integrated aircraft with weapons and EW package. So---the NOW THREAT has been covered. Plus we needed replacements for the F16's.

JF17 BLK3 is just going thru those steps. So---the future threats would be covered.

F16 is the best aircraft that there was---then why did the USAF buy the F15's---?

F 16 is/ was the best muti role ac out their.
F 15 was the best air suppority ac out their....as then the motto waz " not a pound for air to ground."