Radar comparison between JF-17 B3 and Rafale

[Signalian]

5G base stations are essentially composed of AESA antennas with GaN T/R modules to meet critical power output, power consumption, heat dissipation and bandwidth requirements.

5G antennas use AESA technology for electrical beam forming, but it would interesting to see this occur at lower frequencies.

 

[VkdIndian]

So in conclusion, Rafale is much inferior to JF-17 B3 when fighting in a BVR scenario, not only because the radar is inferior, the missile will also be inferior because JF-17 B3 is using PL-15E.

If this really was the case then PAF would have ordered more B3s rather then going in for J10s.

They didn’t because they have the real performance data available to them.

Because of smaller size, power transmission is a severe limitation on B3 radar. And radar power is the most important factor in its range. Moreover, radar is just one aspect. The sensor suite package is bound to play a bigger role in the overall performance of an aircraft in a hostile airspace. Rafale can pack-in more stuff and provide power due to its bigger size and load carrying capability.

B3 being better than Rafale as an overall package appears a far call.
More so in the absence of the factual information on electronics inside B3s.

 

[khansaheeb]

I wouldn’t discount Chinese technology just because it’s Chinese. Specially since Chinese telecommunications industry is leading the world in 5G and now 6G technology.

Chinese radars and warfare suits could be totally legit in terms of their claims.

Or As per Sun tzu “The art of war”. Appear weaker to your enemy.

Lol, we are working on 7G in the US.

 

[Tornado23]

If this really was the case then PAF would have ordered more B3s rather then going in for J10s.

They didn’t because they have the real performance data available to them.

Because of smaller size, power transmission is a severe limitation on B3 radar. And radar power is the most important factor in its range. Moreover, radar is just one aspect. The sensor suite package is bound to play a bigger role in the overall performance of an aircraft in a hostile airspace. Rafale can pack-in more stuff and provide power due to its bigger size and load carrying capability.

B3 being better than Rafale as an overall package appears a far call.
More so in the absence of the factual information on electronics inside B3s.

Oh ffs, the whole 'if jeff is so good, then why did they buy j10' malarkey again.


Are you that ignorant to not see the difference between the 2 fighters? Such as one is a LIGHT combat aircraft and the other is MEDIUM combat aircraft?

Its the same ordeal with the Tejas and Rafale. If Tejas so good, then why did India buy the Rafale? Why didnt they just stick with Tejas through out the whole thing?

 

[VkdIndian]

Oh ffs, the whole 'if jeff is so good, then why did they buy j10' malarkey again.

Very solid retort.

Did you tell the OP to remove the thread then?
Since, JF is no comparison to Rafale?

 

[Tornado23]

Very solid retort.

Did you tell the OP to remove the thread then?
Since, JF is no comparison to Rafale?

No because this thread is old and shouldn't have been bumped up in the first place.

Jf17 isnt in the same league as the Rafale but will give it a run for its money. Simple as. Leave it at that

 

[dbc]

First thing we need to know Rafale has a smaller nose than that of JF-17. Therefore JF-17's nose can house a larger AESA radar with more TR modules

- KLJ-7A for JF-17 B3 = More than 1000 T/R modules

There is a critical flaw in your logic, the diameter of the nose is not conclusive proof of an inferior radar. The APG-79 developed in the 90's for the F/A 18 E/F employs a flip chip mounting technique allowing more T/R modules to be mounted on the radar as opposed to the conventional tile arrangement.

Read bold text below.

One reason is cost. Interconnections can be made faster and cheaper than many other interconnection options and enjoy other advantages, discussed below, as well. A second advantage is electrical performance. By eliminating the bond wires, the capacitance and inductance of the electrical connections are greatly reduced, thus improving speed by an order of magnitude and creating high speed electrical connections. Another advantage of flip chip is form factor reduction. By flipping the device directly to the external circuitry, bond wires can be removed from the equation completely. This can reduce package sizes significantly and commensurately reduce weight at the same time. Reduced size and weight transfers to reduced production costs and can also be a big advantage for Space flight applications. Flip Chip for High Speed MMIC and RF Devices Flip Chip Design and Process Considerations for High Speed MMIC and RF Devices When a MMIC or RF device is mounted with the backside attached to a metal base, it is necessary to join the RF pads of the MMIC and motherboard track with a wire or ribbon bond. However, these are inductive and... wpo-altertechnology.com edit: wrong link

 

[MastanKhan]

it's not about chinese vs french technology
China's best and most expensive radars are on the ground or on AWACS or on the J-20
they don't need to unnecessarily raise the J-10's cost
Theres a reason why the J-10 costs half as much as the Rafale

Hi,

It is due to lesser labor costs and lesser red tape.

A fighter aircraft needs to have the most advanced systems to safeguard the awacs and ground systems as do the awacs and ground systems---. Together all 3 systems compliment each other---. One cannot fall short and the other cannot be projected.

So---the latest J10's will have the latest equipment available

 

[VkdIndian]

No because this thread is old and shouldn't have been bumped up in the first place.

In that case you should have made a post and brought out these facts.

Jf17 isnt in the same league as the Rafale

Correct assessment. Finally you agree with me.

 

[MastanKhan]

There is a critical flaw in your logic, the diameter of the nose is not conclusive proof of an inferior radar. The APG-79 developed in the 90's for the F/A 18 E/F employs a flip chip mounting technique allowing more T/R modules to be mounted on the radar as opposed to the conventional tile arrangement.

Read bold text below.

One reason is cost. Interconnections can be made faster and cheaper than many other interconnection options and enjoy other advantages, discussed below, as well. A second advantage is electrical performance. By eliminating the bond wires, the capacitance and inductance of the electrical connections are greatly reduced, thus improving speed by an order of magnitude and creating high speed electrical connections. Another advantage of flip chip is form factor reduction. By flipping the device directly to the external circuitry, bond wires can be removed from the equation completely. This can reduce package sizes significantly and commensurately reduce weight at the same time. Reduced size and weight transfers to reduced production costs and can also be a big advantage for Space flight applications. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352434753_An_Ultra-Wideband_Compact_TR_Module_Based_on_3-D_Packaging

Hi,

I have often stated that a simpler statements brings out a POLICE INTERROGATION type response---which is---

A cop asks a thief I know you stole from this this and this from this place.

The thief replies---'oh no---I stole from this this from this place and THAT from that other place'.

Now you have solved the mystery of the theft from the " other " place.

that is why---I highly encourage posters to post or ask these kinds of statements or question & possibly someone with better knowledge may respond or " spill out the beans " as has happened on the forum a few time.

No because this thread is old and shouldn't have been bumped up in the first place.

Jf17 isnt in the same league as the Rafale but will give it a run for its money. Simple as. Leave it at that

Hi,

Which version and how would you know?

Looks like you have made a " COP " statement so that a young pakistani boy on this forum may spill out some secrets that he heard from daddy or daddy's friends---his uncles---older cousins---.

Nice try.

 

[Tornado23]

In that case you should have made a post and brought out these facts.

Correct assessment. Finally you agree with me.

Brought out what facts? That a Medium combat aircraft outclasses a LCA? Whooptiedo, what a surprise.


Weirdo

 

[VkdIndian]

Brought out what facts?

So you have nothing to say about the opening post of this thread that assess Rafale no match to B3?
And I am a weirdo?

 

[Tornado23]

So you have nothing to say about the opening post of this thread that assess Rafale no match to B3?
And I am a weirdo?

No because i know its stupid, but you bumping this thread up again commenting things that have already been discussed to death and then use the same lame of excuse of muh j10 and jf17, is just dumb.


Be quiet. Shush. Move along. Weirdo

 

[VkdIndian]

No because i know its stupid

You must have noticed that so many distinguished members and professionals have commented on this thread. Trying to show extra wisdom at thier cost wouldn’t make you smart but look Dumb.

Each member is entitled to create a thread as per their knowledge. And then there are capable people who educate others on the matter while other members contribute and everyone gains.

Then there are members like you who jump in with stupid attitude. Grow up. If professions can take time to put positive comments then least you can do is - keep quite.

 

[Tornado23]

HAL begins flight trials of LCA Tejas Mk-1A

LCA Mk-1A is an upgraded version of the LCA Mk-1. LCA Mk-1 reached Full Operational Capability (FOC) in 2020.

indianexpress.com

Ayo wtf has this got to do with the topic at all punch2000 clone?